Iran must reduce nuclear fuel capacity to secure deal: Kerry

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Iran must reduce nuclear fuel capacity to secure deal: Kerry
BY LOUIS CHARBONNEAU AND LESLEY WROUGHTON

VIENNA Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:09am EDT

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  (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said on Tuesday Tehran must reduce its capacity to make nuclear fuel if it wants to secure a long-term deal with six world powers that would bring an end to sanctions that have crippled the Iranian economy.
  
  "We have made it crystal clear that the 19,000 (centrifuges) that are currently part of their program is too many," Kerry told reporters after three days of talks with Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif.
  
  In a New York Times interview, Zarif floated the idea of Tehran keeping its enrichment program at current levels for a few years before expanding it.
  
  Kerry was responding to a question about a major speech by Iran's Supreme Leader, which diplomats said has limited the ability of the Iranian delegation to make concessions with the six powers and could make it difficult for Tehran to reach a deal, diplomats close to the talks said.
  
  Zarif's proposal is consistent with Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's speech from last week on Iran's long-term nuclear demands and is an idea the Iranian delegation raised in recent weeks with the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Russia and China, diplomats said.
  
  Without going into details, Kerry made clear that Iran's proposals so far have been insufficient, though he added: "We've made progress."
  
  "It is clear we still have more work to do and our team will continue to work very hard to try to reach a comprehensive agreement that resolves the international community's concern," he said.
  
  
  
  TALKS EXTENSION?
  
  With a self-imposed July 20 deadline five days away, Iran and the six are trying to bridge major differences in negotiating positions over a deal intended to end a decade-long dispute over a nuclear program which Tehran says is peaceful.
  
  The West fears Tehran's nuclear activities may be aimed at developing a nuclear weapons capability.
  
  "I am returning to Washington today to consult with President (Barack) Obama and leaders in Congress over the coming days about our prospects for a comprehensive agreement, as well as a path forward if we do not achieve on July 20, including whether or not more time is needed," he said.
  
  One option is to extend the talks for up to six months, which is theoretically possible according to an interim agreement Iran and the powers signed in November and began implementing in January. The interim deal gave Iran limited sanctions relief in exchange for curbing some atomic work.
  
  A senior U.S. official said on Saturday that an extension would be difficult to consider without first seeing "significant progress on key issues".
  
  It was not immediately clear if the progress Kerry spoke of on Tuesday was enough to justify an extension.
  
  Earlier this week, a senior U.S. official said Iran was sticking to "unworkable and inadequate" positions during the closed-door negotiations, which began in February.
  
  Zarif said on Tuesday that he had held good talks with Kerry, though he said "Washington needs to take a political decision... to end the deadlock." He did not offer any detail.
  
  A history of hiding sensitive nuclear work from U.N. inspectors has kept international suspicions about Iran's nuclear program high and heightened the risk of a new Middle East war should diplomacy fail to yield a long-term settlement.
  
  Back in Washington two influential U.S. senators have asked fellow lawmakers to support demands that Iran accept tough conditions in nuclear talks, including at least two decades of inspections, before Congress would agree to ease sanctions.
  
  In the New York Times interview, Zarif said any limits on Iran's nuclear program should be lifted after three to seven years. But Washington wants it to run for more than a decade, U.S. officials have said.
  

 

[mohsen]

190000 swu, is what our goverment has to reach durring the next 8 years.
But Mr Cerry and his masters can talk about their dreams forever.

 

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190000 swu, is what our goverment has to reach durring the next 8 years.
But Mr Cerry and his masters can talk about their dreams forever.

na 190000 taye shoma na 10000 taye oona, 15000 ta ghale sho bekanam?

On a serious discussion, I would say as Iranians are capable to announce a victory out of any outcome, the matter of SWU's is more like a political gain for US, supposing a reduction in the current number of SWU's would mean a victory for both parties as Americans can claim on their achievement on curtailment of Iranian enrichment capabilities and Iranians could make a victorious face by implying on keeping the industrial enriching capability.
So consider it never heard from me, but from now on you would see the trend of discussion on the number of SWU's would go space hot, and after a series of pretending tense discussions you will see both parties coming out victorious in their own media.

 

[Abii]

na 190000 taye shoma na 10000 taye oona, 15000 ta ghale sho bekanam?

You're smarter than this. You're not in a position to dictate diddly squat.

At the end of the day, the mullahs are gonna shoot themselves in the foot and take you guys to the shitter with them.

I don't mind either way. It's your lives. I come to Iran every 5 years and my money is worth 10 times what it was worth 5 years before. I eat my faloodeh and bastani akbar mashti and **** off back to civilization for another 5 years.

I would love to see an Iran where I can be proud of. That's why I care, but you guys should care b/c your lives and the lives of your families depend on it.

 

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At the end of the day, the mullahs are gonna shoot themselves in the foot and take you guys to the shitter with them.

chera at the end of the day, right at this current moment.
ettefaghan chand rooz pish baba bastani boodam manam.
man ta hala nesfe omramo gozaroonadam (nesfe nekbatesho, madrese dabirestan daneshgah) ta hala 6 keshvar ro didam va ghasd daram dar nimeye dovvom omram in adad ro be 20 beresoonam
There are times when you should admit there is nothing you can do, and the best option is to let it go.
dar morede iran ham man be in natige residam moshkel az hokoomat va sakhtare hokoomat nist, bavar koni ya na
moshkel khode mardoman
bi shooori va bi farhangi kar daste iraniha dade
va bayad ghabool kard iraniha ham mesle sayere mardom khavar miane ensanhaee ba aghlaniat va farhange paeeni hastand
be hamin dalil man tasmim gereftam ke kollye kar va bar dolati ro vel konam va ertebatam ba jamee ro be haddeaghal beresoonam
in jomle ro hamishe ba yad khaham sepord,
mohem in nist ke ghashang nisti ghashang ine ke mohem nisti.

 

[Abii]

chera at the end of the day, right at this current moment.
ettefaghan chand rooz pish baba bastani boodam manam.
man ta hala nesfe omramo gozaroonadam (nesfe nekbatesho, madrese dabirestan daneshgah) ta hala 6 keshvar ro didam va ghasd daram dar nimeye dovvom omram in adad ro be 20 beresoonam
There are times when you should admit there is nothing you can do, and the best option is to let it go.
dar morede iran ham man be in natige residam moshkel az hokoomat va sakhtare hokoomat nist, bavar koni ya na
moshkel khode mardoman
bi shooori va bi farhangi kar daste iraniha dade
va bayad ghabool kard iraniha ham mesle sayere mardom khavar miane ensanhaee ba aghlaniat va farhange paeeni hastand
be hamin dalil man tasmim gereftam ke kollye kar va bar dolati ro vel konam va ertebatam ba jamee ro be haddeaghal beresoonam
in jomle ro hamishe ba yad khaham sepord,
mohem in nist ke ghashang nisti ghashang ine ke mohem nisti.

There's a fundemental flaw in your logic, if we can call it that.

You say the people are fucked, and that's 100% true. That's obvious. But you fail to realize that every developed country you see today had the same problems in the past. They didn't become what they are now by electing the most fucked members of their societies into power or by accepting the status quo b/c their societies were fundamentally flawed. They changed the systems of governance and adopted an attitude where the most intellectual members of their societies were held in higher regard and put on a pedestal.

True, the regime didn't fall out of the sky, it was born out of the collective ignorance of Iranians, the same way that the Taliban was born out of the collective ignorance of Pashtuns in Pakistan/Afghanistan.

The solution is very simple. Like every developed country around the world, the intellectuals must take control. How it happens is a debate for another day. Only then will the collective discourse of a nation change towards the better. Iranians were ignorant, but they became infinitely more dumb and stupid under IR. Similarly the nation can grow under a new collective discourse where science, logic, growth and peace is valued over dogmatism, war, death, misery and religion.

I personally want either direct military action or an extreme military embargo that would essentially collapse the whole country. A peaceful resolution is possible, but the mullahs and their supporters don't want to go there.

 

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The solution is very simple. Like every developed country around the world, the intellectuals must take control. How it happens is a debate for another day.

Dude, that's the whole point here.
It is always the case of the chicken or the egg,
No one in this wide world is able to prove which one should come first the regeneration of societies or governments.
I have read the opinion of many philosophers on this subject and I can say there is no answer.
And for the military operation or another revolution or etc etc, that's like pouring water into a dried well.
You can't find any more pure revolution than what happened in 1979, but today all you can see is the sailing of misery on the waves of peoples stupidity and ignorance.
I always love what Willi James once said:
"The greatest revolution of our generation is the discovery that human beings, by changing the inner attitudes of their minds, can change the outer aspects of their lives"

 

[Serpentine]

I personally want either direct military action or an extreme military embargo that would essentially collapse the whole country. A peaceful resolution is possible, but the mullahs and their supporters don't want to go there.

How is that going to make anything 'better'? What a brilliant solution.

 

[Abii]

How is that going to make anything 'better'? What a brilliant solution.

Iran is essentially becoming a worse version of North Korea with every passing day.

An invasion would destroy the backbone of IR, along with tens of thousands of their most diehard supporters. Only then you can recreate Iran as it was meant to be. Iran isn't Iraq. Iranians aren't tribal people nor are they sectarian. You know this as well as I do. Nobody's going to pick up arms and fight the Americans. On the contrary, apart from a bunch of basiji apes, nobody's gonna even throw a rock at the Americans and in fact most people would welcome them. The akhoond military will collapse on day 2. Within hours the whole of the air force would melt away.

People look up to the West and envy it day and night. Just like Germany and Japan, Iran will prosper after the invasion and grow to become a civilized nation rather than continue on the path of misery.

P.S. what exactly are you scared of? You hate IR, but you're scared of change. You're like one of those women that become attached to their abusive husbands.

 

[raptor22]

There's a fundemental flaw in your logic, if we can call it that.

You say the people are fucked, and that's 100% true. That's obvious. But you fail to realize that every developed country you see today had the same problems in the past. They didn't become what they are now by electing the most fucked members of their societies into power or by accepting the status quo b/c their societies were fundamentally flawed. They changed the systems of governance and adopted an attitude where the most intellectual members of their societies were held in higher regard and put on a pedestal.

True, the regime didn't fall out of the sky, it was born out of the collective ignorance of Iranians, the same way that the Taliban was born out of the collective ignorance of Pashtuns in Pakistan/Afghanistan.

The solution is very simple. Like every developed country around the world, the intellectuals must take control. How it happens is a debate for another day. Only then will the collective discourse of a nation change towards the better. Iranians were ignorant, but they became infinitely more dumb and stupid under IR. Similarly the nation can grow under a new collective discourse where science, logic, growth and peace is valued over dogmatism, war, death, misery and religion.

I personally want either direct military action or an extreme military embargo that would essentially collapse the whole country. A peaceful resolution is possible, but the mullahs and their supporters don't want to go there.

Development, progress whatever is in your mind as goal gotta get in action from inside a country and within a society not from outside by the force and undoubtedly it does need time, these revolutionary solutions mentioned by you could have a devastating impact upon the country. As you see the current mess we witness in the region right now is a direct result of long interference by not regional powers in the MD.
Many elements play a role regarding this case such as history and culture which could not get changed over a night, the fact that this country has been ruled by dictators for the last 25 centuries and its effects that you can see in our liteature.
By the way a true lasting peace would occurs through a mutual respect, not saying all options are on the table.

There's a direct correlation between education and how religious a person is, but it's not 100% fail proof. The most educated countries in the world (I'm not talking literacy alone, but higher education), usually have the most agnostics/atheists, but it's not the case everywhere.

Saudi is one extreme, Denmark/Sweden are the other extreme (in the former education is nothing while religion is everything, in the latter it's vice-versa). USA is in the middle. Iran is between Saudi and USA. We could easily be between USA and Denmark, but thanks to you guys and the things you've done to Iran in the past 3+ decades, we're more like the Saudis.

Don't post Piss TV garbage. It damages our cause more than anything. Again, don't post this shit. Everybody keeps telling you.

NO one on earth could claim that they don't follow any religion or sect , religion is a combination of some values and rules you adhere in your life hence by this definition even an agnostic/atheist is a religious person and by the end of day they call themselves agnostic or atheist which indicates their religion as I call myself Muslim.
The point is these values and rules which u follow , religion per se is formed base on Ethic and reason surly it's up to you to choose what is extreme what is not ...

Religion says Lying is not acceptable many religious ppl telling lie on the daily basis, is it religion fault?
Religion says Homicide is not acceptable many religious ppl murder other ppl , is it religion fault?
Religion says robbery is not acceptable many religious ppl commit it, is it religion fault?

 

[Abii]

Development, progress whatever is in your mind as goal gotta get in action from inside a country and within a society not from outside by the force and undoubtedly it does need time, these revolutionary solutions mentioned by you could have a devastating impact upon the country. As you see the current mess we witness in the region right now is a direct result of long interference by not regional powers in the MD.
Many elements play a role regarding this case such as history and culture which could not get changed over a night, the fact that this country has been ruled by dictators for the last 25 centuries and its effects that you can see in our liteature.
By the way a true lasting peace would occurs through a mutual respect, not saying all options are on the table.

Your akhoonds are a source of instability, 100 times worse than the Saudis. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, on this planet wants the mullahs to survive. All options are on the table because of you. When the time comes, you will understand what I mean. When the people around the world go about their day without a care in the world while your country is being bombed to the stone age, you will understand what I mean.

And lol at "devastating impact." Your country is only a notch above Iraq and Afghanistan. What devastating impact? It can't get any worse.

 

[Full Moon]

Iran is essentially becoming a worse version of North Korea with every passing day.

An invasion would destroy the backbone of IR, along with tens of thousands of their most diehard supporters. Only then you can recreate Iran as it was meant to be. Iran isn't Iraq. Iranians aren't tribal people nor are they sectarian. You know this as well as I do. Nobody's going to pick up arms and fight the Americans. On the contrary, apart from a bunch of basiji apes, nobody's gonna even throw a rock at the Americans and in fact most people would welcome them. The akhoond military will collapse on day 2. Within hours the whole of the air force would melt away.

People look up to the West and envy it day and night. Just like Germany and Japan, Iran will prosper after the invasion and grow to become a civilized nation rather than continue on the path of misery.

P.S. what exactly are you scared of? You hate IR, but you're scared of change. You're like one of those women that become attached to their abusive husbands.

An invasion can't create stability, though I don't really mind it in the case of Iran. The U.S or a coalition led by it will first target the weakest point in Iran, namely its huge ethnic diversity.

They will simply make sure it is turned into an ethnic nightmare. The Savavids Azeri Turks have given Iran its size today including the huge non-Persian components. Imagine a serious and steady arming of ethnic militias in the mountainous non-Persian areas? That will simply shred Iran into many areas that are out of the centeral government control. Eventually, everybody will accept independence as the new status quo.

 

[rmi5]

An invasion can't create stability, though I don't really mind it in the case of Iran. The U.S or a coalition led by it will first target the weakest point in Iran, namely its huge ethnic diversity.

They will simply make sure it is turned into an ethnic nightmare. The Savavids Azeri Turks have given Iran its size today including the huge non-Persian components. Imagine a serious and steady arming of ethnic militias in the mountainous non-Persian areas? That will simply shred Iran into many areas that are out of the centeral government control. Eventually, everybody will accept independence as the new status quo.

Actually what @Abii said, exactly applies to your country as well. As long as Saud family is ruling you, you will go down and more down. Culturally, you are just a notch above some(not all) sub-saharan african countries. for example, Gabon, and Botswana are 3-4 decades more culturally advanced than saudis. For Pete's sakes, you are the last country, that is even named after its ruling family. You need to change your ruling system as well. With all of these oils, ... you should have been wealthier and more scientific, and cultural advanced than any other country in the world, but you are just culturally on par with sub-saharan africans, and even your educated people are doing suicide attacks in 6 continents. I am always shocked when I hear that a saudi doctor, who has been educated for many years in universities, ... attaches a bomb to himself, and does suicide attacks. You need to change this shit as well.

 

[Serpentine]

An invasion can't create stability, though I don't really mind it in the case of Iran. The U.S or a coalition led by it will first target the weakest point in Iran, namely its huge ethnic diversity.

They will simply make sure it is turned into an ethnic nightmare. The Savavids Azeri Turks have given Iran its size today including the huge non-Persian components. Imagine a serious and steady arming of ethnic militias in the mountainous non-Persian areas? That will simply shred Iran into many areas that are out of the centeral government control. Eventually, everybody will accept independence as the new status quo.

This is funny isn't it? You don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

I don't think you will live to see that 'wish' come true. No war is going to happen, no one is going to arm anyone and Iran will remain Iran like it has been even centuries before your country even existed. There is a reason we have lived through all the difficulties, wars and problems.

 

[Full Moon]

Actually what @Abii said, exactly applies to your country as well. As long as Saud family is ruling you, you will go down and more down. Culturally, you are just a notch above some(not all) sub-saharan african countries. for example, Gabon, and Botswana are 3-4 decades more culturally advanced than saudis. For Pete's sakes, you are the last country, that is even named after its ruling family. You need to change your ruling system as well. With all of these oils, ... you should have been wealthier and more scientific, and cultural advanced than any other country in the world, but you are just culturally on par with sub-saharan africans, and even your educated people are doing suicide attacks in 6 continents. I am always shocked when I hear that a saudi doctor, who has been educated for many years in universities, ... attaches a bomb to himself, and does suicide attacks. You need to change this shit as well.

I take your insults with a smile, and I am not going to respond to your angry temper today.
By the way, I don't really know what is wrong with sub-saharan africans?