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Iran leader threatens 'fierce' reaction if Saudi does not return Hajj dead
By AFP
Published: September 30, 2015

TEHRAN: Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei threatened a “fierce” reaction on Wednesday if Saudi Arabia does not quickly repatriate victims of last week’s Hajj stampede.

“Saudi officials are failing to do their duties,” Khamenei said in a speech to graduating navy officers following delays in the return of more than 200 Iranian bodies. “If Iran wants to react… our response will be fierce.”


Khamenei also called on Muslim countries to investigate the deadly crush last Thursday that killed 769 people, including at least 239 Iranians.

“Representatives from Iran and the Islamic world should go to Saudi Arabia and investigate the cause of the Hajj incident,” Khamenei was quoted as saying by Fars news agency.
 
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Yesterday the death toll was 1100 and certainly it will increase.
 
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Thanks to Iranian pilgrimages.
thanks to Saudi prince who for his pilgrimage closed the roads for 3 hours and trapped people in street 204.

They have been barking for 36 straight years after enduring numerous humiliations from Arabs and we are yet to see a single "fierce reaction" from their side.

Once a barking dog, always a barking dog. Keep it for internal consumption among the sheep my "Arab" "Sayyid" Ali Khamenei.
well you can go and burry people in mass graves to hide your incompetence.
 
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Supreme Leader Warns of Harsh, Crushing Reaction to Slightest Disrespect for Iranian Pilgrims in S. Arabia
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TEHRAN (FNA)- Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei warned Saudi Arabia that the slightest disrespect for the Iranian pilgrims who are in Mecca for the Hajj ceremony will be reciprocated with Tehran's harsh and crushing response.
Ayatollah Khamenei made the remarks, addressing the Iranian Navy cadets in the Northern city of Noshahr on Wednesday.

He called for setting up a fact-finding committee of Iranian and other Islamic countries' authorities to probe the death of over 4,000 Hajj pilgrims in Mina and missing of hundreds of them, including over 200 Iranians, and said, "The Saudi government is not complying with its responsibilities to transfer the bodies of those who have been killed (in Mina stampede) and the Islamic Republic of Iran has so far, respected the brotherhood in the Muslim world by exercising self-restraint and Islamic politeness but they should know that the slightest disrespect for tens of thousands of Iranian Hajj pilgrims in Mecca and Medina and any lack of responsibility to transfer the bodies will result in Iran's crushing and violent reaction."

Reminding that the exact number of Iran's dead pilgrims is not yet known as the figures might sorely increase, he said some reports have raised the possibility that the death toll might increase to 5,000 people.

Ayatollah Khamenei underlined that Iran doesn’t want to have an early judgement of the cause of the incident "but we believe that the Saudi government hasn’t acted upon its responsibilities vis a vis the injured pilgrims in Mina incident and has left them desperate and thirsty".

He said Iran has so far practiced self-restraint over the death of its citizens in Saudi Arabia, "but they should know that Iran's hand is above many others and it enjoys more possibilities too and if it wants to show reaction to annoying and insidious actors, they will not have a good situation and they won't be able to gain victory on any scene of rivalry."

"The Islamic Republic of Iran doesn’t practice cruelty but it also doesn’t accept anyone's oppression and cruelty; therefore, it doesn’t trample on the rights of any human beings and nations, either Muslim or non-Muslim, but if anyone wants to trample Iran and its nation's rights, he/she will receive a strong response; and thanks God, there is a capability for such a confrontation and the Iranian nation is powerful and resistant," Ayatollah Khamenei underscored.

A stampede during one of the last rituals of the Hajj season killed more than 4,173 people and left thousands more wounded.

The stampede occurred during the ritual known as "stoning the devil" in the tent city of Mina, about two miles from Mecca.

At least 239 Iranians have lost their lives in the incident, while 150 others have been wounded. The latest reports said 26 Iranian pilgrims are still hospitalized in Saudi Arabia, while others have either died or been treated and left the hospital, preparing to come back to home.

Ayatollah Khamenei declared three days of national mourning over the death of the pilgrims.

In his message on Thursday evening the Iranian Leader expressed condolences to the bereaved families of all those killed in the incident, specially the Iranians, and declared three days of national mourning in the country.

Meantime, Ayatollah Khamenei blasted the Saudi government, saying that Riyadh should accept its responsibility for "mismanagement" and adoption of "improper measures".

"Mismanagement and improper measures that caused this tragedy should not be overlooked,” he said, stressing that "the Saudi government is required to accept its heavy responsibility for this bitter incident and meet its obligations in compliance with the rule of righteousness and fairness".

On Thursday, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani in a message to First Vice-President Eshaq Jahangiri issued special orders for following up the Mina incident.

The Iranian president in his message condoled with families of the victims of Hajj stampede in Mina.

"The regretful and sorrowful tragic incident of death and injury of Iranian Hajj pilgrims on the threshold of my arrival in New York imposed heavy sorrow on me and the accompanying delegation," President Rouhani said in his message.

President Rouhani pointed to Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei's declaration of three-day national mourning in Iran for the death of hundreds of Hajj pilgrims and injury of many others, and said, "This is the least that we can do for the families of the victims of Mina incident.

President Rouhani reiterated that the Iranian Foreign Ministry and the Iranian Ambassador to Riyadh are duty-bound to investigate the cause of the incident and take all the necessary measures to help to revival of the rights of the victims and injured of the incident, and said, "I ask the Saudi government to fulfill its legal and Islamic duties concerning this issue while shouldering the responsibility."

Meantime, Iranian lawmakers said that the Parliament is planning to investigate the stampede incident.

"The parliament's National Security and Foreign Policy Commission will hold a special session to discuss the stampede in Mecca," member of the parliament's National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Mohammad Reza Mohseni Sani told reporters.

He noted that the parliament's commission will discuss the Mina incident in its upcoming meeting.

Mohseni Sani blamed the Saudi officials for the disorder which resulted in the death of hundreds of Hajj pilgrims, and urged the Iranian Judiciary and Foreign Ministry to pursue the case.

Sources revealed that the convoy of Saudi Arabia's Deputy Crown Prince and Defense Minister Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud caused panic among millions of pilgrims and started the stampede.

"The large convoy of Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud, the King's son and deputy crown prince, that was escorted by over 350 security forces, including 200 army men and 150 policemen, sped up the road to go through the pilgrims that were moving towards the site of the 'Stoning the Devil' ritual, causing panic among millions of pilgrims who were on the move from the opposite direction and caused the stampede," several Arab papers, including the Arabic language al-Dyar newspaper, disclosed on Thursday evening.

"That's why the ruler of Mecca has distanced himself from the case, stressing that the issue should be studied and decided by the King," it added.

No other source has yet confirmed the report, but observers said the revelation explains why two of the roads to the 'Stoning the Devil' site has been closed.

Eye witnesses said earlier that the Saudi police and security forces had closed two of the few roads to the stone column that were to be used by millions of pilgrims to do the 'Stoning the Devil' ritual on Thursday.

Saeed Ohadi, the head of Iran's Hajj organization, accused Saudi Arabia of safety errors and mismanagement.

He said for "unknown reasons" the paths had been closed off near the scene of the symbolic stoning of the devil ritual where the accident later took place.

"This caused this tragic incident," he told the Iranian state television.

Eyewitness accounts said that even after incident the Saudi security and military forces closed all paths leading to the scene and the bodies of pilgrims have piled up on each other.

Others blamed Riyadh for mismanagement of Hajj ceremony, adding that many of the wounded pilgrims are dying of the hot weather conditions, which reached 46 degrees centigrade on Thursday, while police and the army have closed access roads to the site of the incident making the relief and rescue operations and trafficking of ambulances very difficult.

Pilgrims present on the scene are also complaining about insufficient number of medical teams and centers. Reports said hospitals are overwhelmed by the large number of the wounded.

Twelve hours after the incident, the dead body of hundreds of those killed in the stampede are still piled up out in the streets.

Head of the Iranian pilgrims Seyed Ali Qazi Askar in an interview with the state TV on Thursday evening complained that the Saudi officials do not allow other countries' relief and rescue squads to help.

"They have even prevented us from aiding our own pilgrims," he complained with surprise.

This is the third incident in the Hajj rituals this year.

In the first incident, a crane crash over the Grand Mosque of Mecca killed over 100 and injured hundreds more two weeks ago.

Ten days before the start of Hajj this year, a construction crane crashed through the roof of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, killing 107 people. At least 238 others suffered injuries when a powerful storm toppled the crane.

A week later, a fire incident at a Mecca hotel claimed the lives of several other pilgrims.

A Saudi analyst said on the condition of anonymity for the fear of his life that the two stampede and crane crash incidents were the result of rivalries between a part of the Saudi police and security service and Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud to display that the Saudi king and crown prince are incompetent and unable to handle the Hajj ceremony.

Rivalries are tough and deep among different royal families who are all descendant of the Al-Saud and see themselves entitled to the thrown. The present king is the first from Sodayri family of Al-Saudi to have ascended to power.

This is not the first time that hundreds die during the Hajj rituals.

The ceremony was the scene of stampedes and hundreds of deaths in the 1980s and 1990s as pilgrims passed a crowded bottleneck area leading to the small pillars on the ground.

Incidents during the Hajj

September 2015

At least 453 killed and over 700 injured in crush outside Mecca

January 2006

364 pilgrims were killed in a stampede at the entrance to a bridge leading to the stoning site in Mina, outside Mecca

February 2004

251 pilgrims were trampled to death during the stoning ritual

February 2003

14 Muslim pilgrims were crushed to death performing the stoning ritual

March 2001

35 pilgrims killed in stampede

April 1998

Around 180 pilgrims were trampled to death when panic erupted after several fell off an overpass at al-Jamarat

April 1997

343 pilgrims were killed and 1,500 injured in a tent fire at the overcrowded Mina camp. At a result, the tents are now fireproof and gas cooking cylinders are banned

May 1994

Around 270 were killed in a stampede

June 1990

1,426 killed in a stampede inside a pedestrian tunnel leading out from Mecca towards Mina and the Plains of Arafat

July 1989

Two bombs exploded, killing one and wounding over a dozen others

July 1987

Over 400 killed during clashes between Saudi security forces and Iranian demonstrators in Mecca

December 1975

A fire in a tent city at Mina killed around 200 people. The fire was reportedly started by an exploding gas tank

The growing number of incidents and deaths during the Hajj rituals, including three this year, have caused increasing criticisms from the public and various Muslim states officials and elites who believe that Riyadh is incapable of running the Hajj ceremony, stressing that the Muslim site should be run by all the Muslim states and through a global Muslim world body such as the OIC.

Following the incident, Chairman of the Iranian Parliament's National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Alaeddin Boroujerdi blamed Saudi Arabia for closing the paths leading to a bottleneck in the tent city of Mina which caused the stampede and killed hundreds of pilgrims, stressing that the incident once again showed that Riyadh is not qualified to run the Hajj ceremony.

"The Saudi government showed that it is ineligible and incompetent to manage the Hajj ceremony," Boroujerdi told FNA on Thursday.

He also called on the Islamic countries to take a serious decision as soon as possible to protect the lives of pilgrims during the Hajj season.

Also after the crane crash in Mecca two weeks ago, several Egyptian religious figures joined the growing number of Muslim world elites and politicians demanding the change of authority in charge of running Hajj rituals from Riyadh to a collection of Muslim states.

"Many mistakes have been made during the Hajj ceremony in recent decades and the bloody Friday incident was not the first case and will not be the last either; therefore, unless a revolution doesn’t take place in the administration and management of the Hajj ceremony in Saudi Arabia, we will witness such incidents in future too," Sheikh Salman Mohammad, the advisor of Egypt's ministry of endowment, told FNA.

Also Ashraf Fahmi, a professor at Egypt's al-Azhar university, said that Saudi Arabia should admit its mistakes in handling the Hajj ceremony and take serious measures to correct the way it administers the ceremony.

Storms were lashing the Saudi city of Mecca when strong winds reportedly brought down the crane that was part of construction works.

Tons of rubble and debris crashed to the ground on top of scores of people gathering in the mosque for 6:30 prayers when a section of the crane crashed through the roof.

At least 107 people were killed and 238 more were injured when the crane collapsed on to the Grand Mosque during storms.

The crane operated for a company owned by Saudi Prince Muhammad Bin Salman, Arab media disclosed following the incident early in September.

Meantime, other media sources claimed that the crane belongs to a German crane company operated by the Bin Laden family's consortium, who are heading the expansion of the Holy Mosque.
 
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More bravado from these religious idiots, fucking annoying religious people with their superstitious unrealistic bullshit. Enough bravado already, you guys killed the **** out of it my brain is drained from how much bs we are fed from these morons in the ME.
 
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I know that i have limited knowledge of this affair. But i think, in this hour of human tragedy, nations should not play blame game. SA GOv is not necessarily would have expected this thing to happen. It is an accident and a tragic incident. Sane minds should keep their cool and try to help each other rather than politicizing this issue.
 
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I know that i have limited knowledge of this affair. But i think, in this hour of human tragedy, nations should not play blame game. SA GOv is not necessarily would have expected this thing to happen. It is an accident and a tragic incident. Sane minds should keep their cool and try to help each other rather than politicizing this issue.

Iran is not the only one complaining. You can hear the same concerns from Indonesia, Nigeria, etc. Our voice is just louder.
 
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I know that i have limited knowledge of this affair. But i think, in this hour of human tragedy, nations should not play blame game. SA GOv is not necessarily would have expected this thing to happen. It is an accident and a tragic incident. Sane minds should keep their cool and try to help each other rather than politicizing this issue.
and if you knew about the accident you would understood that it happened only because some prince wanted to go to haj and they had to close the roads for 3 hours.
 
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and if you knew about the accident you would understood that it happened only because some prince wanted to go to haj and they had to close the roads for 3 hours.

You may be right...I did not know much..My only point is that in time of grief, we should not do a blame game...Otherwise, each has some facts to prove their points and that includes you too.
 
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You may be right...I did not know much..My only point is that in time of grief, we should not do a blame game...Otherwise, each has some facts to prove their points and that includes you too.

So, we do a blame game when something good happens? If a car accident happens and a person dies, does the police come and say, "everyone, everyone, this is a time of grief, please no blame game, everyone go home"?

If a family member dies in a car crash, we will demand answers, from the police, from the hospital, from the other driver, and so on. After that its time for funerals and insurance companies and if need be, to demand answers from them too. We don't keep quiet and go and cry.

Iran is upset for two reasons. Why did this accident happen that killed so many of our citizens, and why is the post-crisis situation not being handled professionally? This is not asking something out of the ordinary.

Any country that doesn't ask these questions, doesn't care enough about its citizens.
 
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So, we do a blame game when something good happens? If a car accident happens and a person dies, does the police come and say, "everyone, everyone, this is a time of grief, please no blame game, everyone go home"?

If a family member dies in a car crash, we will demand answers, from the police, from the hospital, from the other driver, and so on. After that its time for funerals and insurance companies and if need be, to demand answers from them too. We don't keep quiet and go and cry.

Iran is upset for two reasons. Why did this accident happen that killed so many of our citizens, and why is the post-crisis situation not being handled professionally? This is not asking something out of the ordinary.

Any country that doesn't ask these questions, doesn't care enough about its citizens.

The two reasons are because your citizens normally don't follow instruction and try to politicize Hajj. Also, they don't really know what does it mean to go to Saudi with fabricated names and passports. We don't tolerate such as that acts in Saudi. I hope the message is received.
 
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