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Iran, India reach electricity deal​

Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:16:36 GMT



Iran and India have reached an agreement to jointly construct power plants and exchange electricity, says a visiting Iranian official in New Delhi.

Deputy Energy Minister Mohammed Behzad said on Friday that Iran's Tavanir Company and India's state-owned National Thermal Power Corporation (NTPC) would adhere to a previously penned memorandum of understanding on power cooperation.

Construction of new power plants in the two states and the exchange of about 6,000 megawatts (MW) of electricity have been envisaged in the agreement, Behzad said.

He added that the electricity would be exchanged between the two countries by a HVDC power transmission line via Pakistan.

Behzad said that Iran plans to provide Pakistan with 1,000 MW of electricity. The deal would help Pakistan overcome the crisis of electricity shortages in the country.

Earlier, Iran's Ambassador to Pakistan Masha'allah Shakeri told reporters that Tehran is exporting electricity to Turkey, Armenia and Afghanistan and its price is extremely attractive for Pakistan.

Iran, India reach electricity deal
 
meri pakistaniyan nu binti hai, ki kirpa karke saadi taar te kundiya na paun.

:lol:
Pata laga, Iran is also sending electricity, India is also sending electricity and bich mein sari bijli gul ho gayi.

Seriously, I am amazed we'll be exchanging electricity through Pakistan.
 
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meri pakistaniyan nu binti hai, ki kirpa karke saadi taar te kundiya na paun.

:lol:

Seriously, I am amazed we'll be exchanging electricity through Pakistan.

Sardar ji aye bara mushkil sawal kar dita hai :lol:
 
Its good , at least will defuse some tensions and we "May" start trusting each other.
IPI Gas project.
IPI Power Project
IPI Railway Link
IPA Road Link

It will create some connections in between us i suppose which is good.

IPI= Iran Pakistan India
IPA= India Pakistan Afghanistan
 
Earlier it was reported that project may be shelved.

Question of feasibility of transmission lines through Pakistan seems to be holding up the Rs46,000 crore project

New Delhi: India’s ambitious $10 billion (Rs46,300 crore) plan to set up a 6,000MW power plant in Iran and transmit some of that electricity back home has floundered for the same reason as a long-standing proposal for a gas pipeline linking the two nations—Pakistan comes in between.

According to the initial project plans, state-owned NTPC Ltd, the country’s largest power generation utility, was to set up the power project in an equal joint venture with Iran. Another state entity, Power Grid Corp. of India Ltd (PGCIL), was given the task of constructing the transmission link.

Urging caution: Union power secretary H.S. Brahma. PIB
“There are problems with the project,” H.S. Brahma, Union power secretary, told Mint.
“We can only build the project if power transmission to India is feasible,” said R.S. Sharma, chairman and managing director of NTPC.

There were two options of getting the power to India—an under-sea link or an overhead transmission system across Pakistani territory. The marine route, about 1,000km-long, was discarded on account of the high cost.

A high-voltage, direct-current Rs12,500 crore transmission link was considered from Iran to the Zerda grid substation in Gujarat that was to pass through Pakistan via Karachi and Baluchistan. To ensure smooth project operations, it was also planned to allocate 1,000MW to Pakistan.


“The option is to bring power through Pakistan, which looks very difficult, given the situation there. It is a very difficult project to execute,” said a top PGCIL executive on condition of anonymity. “We have already submitted our report on power evacuation to the power ministry around four months back. We are yet to hear anything on the project.”

The project was an attempt by the country to engage Iran, which has accused India of siding with the US in the ongoing spat between those two nations over Iran’s nuclear programme.

“The entire project has now become uncertain,” said a senior NTPC executive, who did not want to be identified.

Iran has said that India was delaying decisions with respect to Iran because of “pressure” from the US. The $7.4 billion Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline project has been mired in problems over transportation and pricing issues. Iran and Pakistan have decided to go ahead with the project without India and have even extended a partnership offer to China.

Questions emailed to the Iranian embassy in New Delhi remained unanswered at press time.

The development comes as Iran faces more economic sanctions by the US and its allies over the nuclear programme, which Washington suspects is aimed at developing weapons and Tehran says is designed to produce energy. India and the US reached a historic civilian nuclear deal in 2008.

The geopolitics is stacked against the project, said a former diplomat.

“From an economic point of view, an under-sea link is not feasible. I would regard it as lunacy to build a transmission link through Pakistan,” said G. Parthasarathy, India’s former high commissioner to Pakistan and an expert on foreign affairs. “One should go for it if only uninterrupted power supply was guaranteed. When you couldn’t get it in the case of the pipeline, how will you get it here?”

While Iran has the world’s second largest oil and natural gas reserves, India’s domestic supply is enough to meet just half the natural gas demand.

The transmission project recommended by PGCIL involved setting up two 1,500km links of 600kV each from the generation point in Iran to Zerda in Gujarat for the transmission of power to India and a 500kV 400km direct current link from Zerda to Karachi for the transfer of 1,000MW to Pakistan.

The government plans to dilute 5% of its share in NTPC through a follow-on public issue that will run from 3-5 February, bringing down its stake to 84.5% and raising an expected Rs12,000 crore.

Future looks dark for NTPC-Iran 6,000MW project - Corporate News - livemint.com
 
India invites Iran to resume IPI talks

Sunday, April 18, 2010

Tehran Times Economic Desk

TEHRAN – India has invited Iran to continue the proposed Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline talks, the National Iranian Oil Company deputy director said.

SHANA news agency quoted Hojjatollah Ghanimifard as saying that the meeting will also provide the grounds for establishment of a joint economic commission.

He went on to note that the Russian and Chinese companies are keen to participate in the IPI pipeline project.

Iran and Pakistan signed a deal in March to construct the multi-billion dollar natural gas pipeline connecting the two neighboring countries.

Ghanimifard told the Mehr news agency that the Russian Gazprom Company and a Chinese firm have announced their readiness to take part in the construction of 2,200 kilometers of the pipeline.

Around 1,100 kilometers of the pipeline, will be built in Iran, while the remaining 1,000 kilometers will be set up in Pakistan.

“This Chinese company wants to invest in the Pakistani part of the pipeline,” Ghanimifard said without revealing the name of the firm.

He added that Gazprom previously also “announced its readiness and interest to participate in the gas pipeline.”

The official also said that Pakistan has asked Iran to increase its gas exports to Pakistan from 21.5 million cubic meters (mcm) per day to 30 mcm.

“Based on the agreement, the amount of Iran’s gas exports to Pakistan was 21.5 million cubic meters per day that will be increased to 30 million cubic meters (mcm) per day,” the official said.

The deal is part of the long-delayed $7.5 billion Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline project.

-------------Price formula only issue in IPI gas project: Pakistan

There is no international pressure involved in halting the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline project, Pakistan’s the Nation website quoted Mani Shankar Ayer, former petroleum minister of India, as saying.

He was talking to the media on the sidelines of the meeting between former foreign ministers of Pakistan and India on Friday

He said there was no international pressure involved in IPI gas pipeline, while the real issue was of price formula on the project and thus the issue of the price must be discussed

tehran times : India invites Iran to resume IPI talks
 
meri pakistaniyan nu binti hai, ki kirpa karke saadi taar te kundiya na paun.

:lol:
Pata laga, Iran is also sending electricity, India is also sending electricity and bich mein sari bijli gil ho gayi.

Seriously, I am amazed we'll be exchanging electricity through Pakistan.

First it was GAS and now its Electricity just days ago indian company started backing away from selling iranians Refined Gasoline products i am not to sure what to believe
 
meri pakistaniyan nu binti hai, ki kirpa karke saadi taar te kundiya na paun.

:lol:
Pata laga, Iran is also sending electricity, India is also sending electricity and bich mein sari bijli gul ho gayi.

Seriously, I am amazed we'll be exchanging electricity through Pakistan.

Sir Jee bara acha sawal kar diya aapne :lol::lol::lol:

waise Taar pe KUNDIYAN sirf Karachi aur sorrouding areas main hi parti hain baaqi Pakistan main aisa nahi hota :no:

and i don't think this project is ever going to form reality......... This is another IPI Gas kind of a project which is never going to form reality. It will end up providing 1000 - 2200MW of electricity in Pakistan and thats it. No electricity to India you will see just wait

India will get 2 more nuclear plants from Uncle Sam and will back off from this project too and i believe its not a bad deal for them. They can generate cheaper electricity this way
 
First it was GAS and now its Electricity just days ago indian company started backing away from selling iranians Refined Gasoline products i am not to sure what to believe

we believe that we are hungry for power...............and we will take it no matter even if we have use Pakistan route:partay:

Humble request, Plz dont steel the electricity.:bunny:
 
Indian is basically doing a flip flop on a whole range of issues in its relationship with Iran.

Earlier it was the opposition to sanctions, despite far more evidence of a covert weapons program by the Iranians than the last time India voted against Iran.

This is probably tied into two things:

1. India trying to rope in Iran in order to get its support in Afghanistan (India can exert very little leverage in Afghanistan without Iranian assistance, especially once NATO pulls out).

2. Trying to win some influence with the US by getting closer to Iran. And in return for ending this strengthening of the relationship with Iran, likely ask the US to pressure/abandon support for Pakistan on a variety of issues.
 
Security and uninterrupted passage is a area of great concern.

We should not invest or carry on with the project unless and until the term of supply calculated from our border.

As pakistan will earn a handsome royalty fee, it is their responsibility to make sure it.

The problem is

1. Iran says they will have responsibility till their border.

2. India says we will pay for what we get at our border.

3. Pakistan is not cooperating. It wants to earn royalty but is not ready to guarantee uninterrupted supply.

Why India suffer in case there is planned or unplanned sabotage in Pakistani territory.

So if Pakistan wanna earn royalty fee and friendship of Iran-India it should guarantee the supply and should bear the losses if their is any damage.
 
This is probably tied into two things:

1. India trying to rope in Iran in order to get its support in Afghanistan (India can exert very little leverage in Afghanistan without Iranian assistance, especially once NATO pulls out).

2. Trying to win some influence with the US by getting closer to Iran. And in return for ending this strengthening of the relationship with Iran, likely ask the US to pressure/abandon support for Pakistan on a variety of issues.
The potential impact on Pakistan from these issues.

1. Major economic deals with Iran, such as the IPIP or this proposed electricity line, will have to go through Pakistan, which means that tangible progress on these deals means a thawing of the relationship with Pakistan, and a vested Iranian interest in keeping Pakistan happy as well.

2. India has little influence here since it is not a veto brandishing permanent member of the UNSC. In the end if sanctions go through, India will claim it was opposed, but has to abide by them (India is the third largest importer of Iranian oil I believe, after China and Japan, so if sanctions cover oil exports, there is a potential for significant impact there).

Conclusions: India is playing games here with Iran. Neither the IPIP nor electricity line are going to come to fruition any time soon given the state of relations between India and Pakistan. Nor is India going to influence the sanctions process in any meaningful way. If Pakistan goes through with the IP construction and purchases the 1000+ MW of electricity offered by Iran, India will be trumped.
 
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First it was GAS and now its Electricity just days ago indian company started backing away from selling iranians Refined Gasoline products i am not to sure what to believe

You can't mix two different things. The Reliance Industries is a private company and in a free economy they are free to sell their product to any client they want. But Iran gas and electricity projects are between Govt. of Iran and India.

Also, its old news not just few days ago.

Our company "Reliance" want to buy many companies in USA and also they want funding from US for their acquisitions ventures. That's why they have diverted their supply from Iran. Reliance said to USA they will only stop supply to Iran if they get US market then USA provided them their market and happily purchased all of their oil products.
 
The potential impact on Pakistan from these issues.

1. Major economic deals with Iran, such as the IPIP or this proposed electricity line, will have to go through Pakistan, which means that tangible progress on these deals means a thawing of the relationship with Pakistan, and a vested Iranian interest in keeping Pakistan happy as well.

2. India has little influence here since it is not a veto brandishing permanent member of the UNSC. In the end if sanctions go through, India will claim it was opposed, but has to abide by them (India is the third largest importer of Iranian oil I believe, after China and Japan, so if sanctions cover oil exports, there is a potential for significant impact there).

Conclusions: India is playing games here with Iran. Neither the IPIP nor electricity pipeline are going to come to fruition any time soon given the state of relations between India and Pakistan. Nor is India going to influence the sanctions process in any meaningful way. If Pakistan goes through with the IP construction and purchases the 1000+ MW of electricity offered by Iran, India will be trumped.


1. We have historically good relations with Iran.

2. Our relations have deepen with our chabahar port and other projecs. A route to Central Asia.

3. We are not dependent on Iranian Oil, we have done alternate arrangements with Saudi Arabia, Oman etc. etc.

We are buying oil fields in Africa, Latin America, Russia etc.

Also, we are discovering oil in India itself.

Cairn India raises estimate of oil reserves by 37% | Stock Watch

4. Terrorism is a threat to Iran as well.

Iran Asks Pakistan to Control Terrorists After Attack (Update2) - Bloomberg.com

5. We are not playing any games.

6. Pakistan is not cooperating hence the delay in Iran-Pakistan-India-Pipeline. pakistan wants to earn royalty fee without doing anything in this project.
 
1. We have historically good relations with Iran.
So does Pakistan, and Indian relations with Iran have taken a dive with the flip-floppin on the IPI issue as well as over not supporting Iran on sanctions. Of course at the end of the day it is about economic ties, and unless India is willing to go forward on issues like the IPI and electricity line, the Iranians, while not hostile to India, will not go out of their way to facilitate Indian interests in Afghanistan either.
2. Our relations have deepen with our chabahar port and other projecs. A route to Central Asia.
That is mostly for Indian access to the CAR's and Afghanistan, and not currently a major Iranian concern.
3. We are not dependent on Iranian Oil, we have done alternate arrangements with Saudi Arabia, Oman etc. etc.

We are buying oil fields in Africa, Latin America, Russia etc.

Also, we are discovering oil in India itself.

Cairn India raises estimate of oil reserves by 37% | Stock Watch
My point is that any sanctions on Iranian oil exports, and India's willingness to abide by them, will hurt Iran a lot given that India is Iran's third largest customer. And is India already moving to minimize ties with Iran with the refined products issue discussed a bit above?

This all ties into whether India will retain any relevance for Iran if India moves away from even its traditional imports from Iran - oil. That will hurt Iran significantly.

That is why Pakistan has, reportedly, assisted in handing over Iran's most wanted people.
5. We are not playing any games.
Given the lack of any possible progress on any of the major economic projects discussed above, and the lack of any meaningful Indian influence on the sanctions process, and India's 'flip-flops' on these issues time and again, I think it is obvious that India is playing games.
6. Pakistan is not cooperating hence the delay in Iran-Pakistan-India-Pipeline. pakistan wants to earn royalty fee without doing anything in this project.
The minsiter quoted in the Tehran Times article above says the issue is price:

"There is no international pressure involved in halting the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline project, Pakistan’s the Nation website quoted Mani Shankar Ayer, former petroleum minister of India, as saying.

He was talking to the media on the sidelines of the meeting between former foreign ministers of Pakistan and India on Friday

He said there was no international pressure involved in IPI gas pipeline, while the real issue was of price formula on the project and thus the issue of the price must be discussed "


This guarantee issue is just another excuse trotted out by India in a whole line of them (previously it was the price of Iranian gas). However, if your excuse is valid and Iran buys into it, I am sure we will see some statement from Iran on Pakistan being flexible.

I do not expect Pakistan to offer any more guarantees than are typical in international contracts of this nature.
 

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