Iran , India and the West

[Kinetic]

But recently india has requested Pakistan to open up route to afghanistan after pakistan denied Karzai request last year.

India already has route access to iran through other ports while with afghanistan,the trade potential even by 2060 won't exceed 20Billion dollars,leaving only turkmenistan with only a 5million people market,again not more than a potential of 5Billion dollars trade by 2090-95.

The only logical route for India into central asia is through pakistan into Afghanistna and than further

Mumbai to chabar in one day and than chabar to afghanistan in one day (rail). cross afghanistan in one day (rail). Well come to central asia in three days.

 

[farhan_9909]

Mumbai to chabar in one day and than chabar to afghanistan in one day (rail). cross afghanistan in one day (rail). Well come to central asia in three days.

In one day?

 

[Kinetic]

In one day?

Three days. read it

 

[farhan_9909]

Three days. read it

than why india and afghanistan keep requesting Pakistan for land route?

I had already explained as to why Chabahar potential trade is only 0.3-0.6% of Gwadar potential trade.

 

[The SC]

From the article:
"with only the occasional hiccup, such as when India voted against the Iranian nuclear program at a resolution passed at the International Atomic Energy Agency in 2009."
Do you know that was a very big back stabbing by India? Without its vote, The UN sanctions would have never been possible, and frankly speaking , Iran has suffered too much from it to befriend India in a deep sense of friendship. It might go as far as some trade, nothing more.
And to tell you the truth , every single Muslim country is wary of India in the present time. The GCC is the biggest trade partner of India, and it starts to be very wary of the latters close relations to Usrael, the middle east trouble maker...
Trade will continue but relations will never be at the same trust level as before.

 

[The SC]

China Makes Play For Iran’s Chabahar Port
Financing updates to Iran’s Persian Gulf port would significantly strengthen China’s position in the Middle East.

China has offered Iran 60 million Euros (US$78.27 million) to upgrade its Chabahar Port on the Persian Gulf near Tehran’s border with Pakistan, The Indian Express reported on Monday.

The newspaper quoted a note India’s Ministry of External Affairs sent to the shipping industry as saying that “China could finance the project to keep India out of Chabahar and protect its investment in Gwadar port (in Pakistan).”

India has long been involved in the construction and maintenance of Chabahar Port, which Delhi uses as a transit point to Afghanistan. Chabahar Port has become all the more essential to India since China agreed to formally assume control over Pakistan’s Gwadar Port last February.

Last month, during a trip to Tehran, India’s Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid said India could provide up to US$100 million to Iran to upgrade the port, despite pressure from the United States against such a project. However, The Indian Express reports that Iran has not given the official go-ahead for the project yet, and in light of the Chinese bid, Delhi will seek to fast-track negotiations with Iran over securing the contract to upgrade Iran’s port.

Financing the upgrade to Chabahar Port would significantly strengthen China’s position in the Middle East. With the assumption of operations at the port in Gwadar, Iran stands as the last country separating China’s presence in Pakistan from its growing role in Iraq’s oil industry and the greater Persian Gulf.

More broadly, China is seen as constructing what has been called a “String of Pearls” strategy to acquire foreign bases in the Indian Ocean that stand between the Chinese mainland and the Middle East, where it gets most of its oil imports from. These include ports in Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Tanzania, and Sudan, along with the one in Pakistan.

Last month, a Chinese think tank released a blue book calling for Beijing to deepen its presence in the Indian Ocean.

“China’s diplomatic strategy [towards the Indian Ocean] in the past has been based on the traditional concept of moderation, and striven to maintain the status quo,” the blue book said, The Hindu reported.

“With changes in the relations among countries in the Indian Ocean Region and in the international situation, China’s diplomacy should also change. A clear development strategy in the Indian Ocean Region for China is not only a sign of China’s self-confidence, and also a clear demonstration of China’s strategic interests in the Indian Ocean Region.”

China’s the largest consumer of Middle Eastern oil and got 60 percent of its oil imports from the region in 2011, compared to the 26 percent of U.S. oil imports that came from the region that year. To meet its growing energy needs, Beijing has significantly deepened its presence in a number of countries including post-Saddam Iraq. It has also gradually become more involved in Middle East diplomacy, most notably the Israel-Palestine peace process.

China Makes Play For Iran’s Chabahar Port | The Diplomat

 

[Mike_Brando]

Iran was part of Hindu Civilization(they were worshiper of Agni. Mithra is a Rishi who taught them, their guru) till year 13th Century, when it fell to invader arabs and converted to Islam. Iran of today, is not a secular state. It is an islamic state like Bangladesh, with no mercy for other religions to grow. Society is as dogmatic as it can be.

Infrastructure, roads, bridges, ports don't make any Islamic nation civilized. Its how they treat non-Islamic religion, that matters most.

I don't see people to people contact happening. India should focus on training own population, making them hardcore Hindus, dripped in Sanskrit. Hindus are secular people, muslims are not. That's the way to go for next 30 years. Modi is on right path.

Just shut the Fcuk up.You have got no idea of what you are speaking about.Iran is a progressive country just like any other ones and they are a valuable ally of our country.Btw what have you kept such a weird user ID!Make me wonder whether you're a real Indian or not!

 

[Mike_Brando]

not true , but since you are a troll , i wont reply .

i am really done with trolls , be it iranians , turks , arabs/pakistanis or even indians

bye

Brother,just ignore him.He is probably a false flagger who's just trying to put a wedge between us.Just look at his user ID and you'll get an idea about him.

 

[Mike_Brando]

no worries bro

the overwhelming majority of indians are so nice and friendly , they remind me of my own people .

after all , cultural similarities cannot be denied between iran and india

peace

Brother all these trollers are not Indians,they most probably belong to an enemy nation.They are doing this just to create a rift between us.Just ignore those scums.

 

[Arya Desa]

than why india and afghanistan keep requesting Pakistan for land route?

I had already explained as to why Chabahar potential trade is only 0.3-0.6% of Gwadar potential trade.

More like 0.0003-0.0006%. Don't they teach you sig figs in pakishtan?

 

[Arya Desa]

From the article:
"with only the occasional hiccup, such as when India voted against the Iranian nuclear program at a resolution passed at the International Atomic Energy Agency in 2009."
Do you know that was a very big back stabbing by India? Without its vote, The UN sanctions would have never been possible, and frankly speaking , Iran has suffered too much from it to befriend India in a deep sense of friendship. It might go as far as some trade, nothing more.
And to tell you the truth , every single Muslim country is wary of India in the present time. The GCC is the biggest trade partner of India, and it starts to be very wary of the latters close relations to Usrael, the middle east trouble maker...
Trade will continue but relations will never be at the same trust level as before.

Oh really?

 

[Mike_Brando]

So why mate, what was the point of all those ridiculous posts??

Probably another false flagger from "you know where".Man these false flaggers are hell bent to create a tussle between India and Iranian members in this thread.Better not to indulge them in any conversation.

 

[The SC]

With Zionist advice like the following article from Forbes magazine, one wonders why India should be interested at all in Iran:

Port Of Damaged Goods: India's Dangerous Investment In Iran's Chahabar
By Avi Jorisch

India has launched a bold initiative to bolster its influence throughout Southeast and Central Asia. The Indian government is investing significant capital in Iran’s Chabahar free-trade zone and the surrounding infrastructure to secure its economic interests throughout the region, reduce Pakistan’s sphere of influence and compete with China. While this policy seems attractive in the short term, this course of action is fraught with unanticipated dangers. Investing in Chabahar not only allows Iran’s rogue regime to fill its coffers with the hard currency it needs to repress its people and facilitate terrorism, but may also harm India’s strategic relationship with one of its most important allies, the United States.

Traditionally, the relationship between India and Iran has revolved around trade. In 2010, the two countries conducted $14 billion worth of business, mostly in oil and gas. India’s decision to invest $100 million in Chabahar, a port in the Sistan-o-Balochistan province on the southeastern tip of Iran, is part of this relationship.

In addition, Chabahar offers India the ability to bypass Pakistan, which often prevents India from transferring goods to landlocked Afghanistan. In recent years, India has invested heavily in roads connecting the Kandahar-Herat highway to Iran so it can get goods and services into Afghanistan using this alternate route. India is being driven by a desire for increased trade with countries throughout Central Asia — including Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan — and for direct access to Afghanistan’s mineral market, worth an estimated $1 trillion to $3 trillion. Investing a relatively small sum of money would, in theory, yield a very nice return: at least 60-90 years of operating Chabahar. Given the likelihood of securing the “Iran route,” India and Afghanistan are now looking to build a 600-mile railway lineconnecting Chabahar to Afghanistan’s Hajigak region, which contains the country’s largest iron ore deposits.

India is also keen to counter Chinese competition in its backyard. Both India and China are investing in critical marine gateways in the Gulf of Oman, primarily for financial gain and to secure a safer corridor to transport their energy and commodities. While India invests in Chabahar, China is pouring resources into developing Gwadar, an equally important port located less than 50 miles away in Pakistan.

Iran is looking to use Chabahar to develop its infrastructure and levy sizable duties, and India’s investment serves as a critical lifeline for Iran in the face of international sanctions. For India, however, despite Chabahar’s financial advantages, there is more to lose than gain by doing business with the world’s most notorious state sponsor of terrorism.

India’s relationship with the United States is very important to it. Bilateral trade currently stands at around $106 billion annually — over 10 times India’s trade with Iran — and there are current negotiations to enter into a free-trade agreement.Whether increased investment in Iran, a country targeted by American sanctions, will hurt the U.S.-India alliance remains to be determined, but it certainly cannot help.

In the last decade, the international community, particularly the United States, has targeted over 180 Iranian entities — individuals, companies and financial institutions— freezing their assets, blocking their access to the international financial sector and imposing travel bans in an effort to force Iran to change its nuclear policy. Any Indian company that plays a role in developing Chabahar could be targeted by the U.S. Treasury Department and placed on its blacklist. The risk to India’s larger strategic interests should be reason enough to reconsider.

But additionally, India’s bet on Afghanistan or Chabahar may turn out to be a poor choice. Afghanistan remains politically unstable. Any government that comes to power after the 2014 elections, if led by the Taliban or another Pakistani-supported political faction, may not be as enamored of increased trade with Iran or India as the current government is. And Chabahar is located in one of Iran’s most explosive regions, where the Sunni Baloch insurgents have carried out repeated attacks against the regime in recent years.

Finally, the Islamic Republic endorses radical Islam and a strict interpretation of sharia law, which is starkly at odds with the tenets upon which India rests. Iran’s heinous record on human rights is well known, and is criticized by Iranian citizens, international and non-governmental organizations and even the UN. The government regularly engages in torture, rape and killing of civilians, dissidents and political prisoners. The ideals of Indian leaders such as Mahatma Gandhi could not be further from those of Iran’s Supreme Leader, Khameinei. As a country that has fought a long struggle against terror attacks in Kashmir, Mumbai and other places, India has itself been a victim of the radical ideology that Iran spreads and supports.

India should consider whether potential loss of access to the U.S. market, instability in Afghanistan and Chabahar and support for a state sponsor of terrorism is worth the bang for the buck. It should cease investing in Iran’s infrastructure so long as the Islamic Republic continues it march towards nuclearization, oppresses its people and proliferates terrorism.

Avi Jorisch is a Senior Fellow at the American Foreign Policy Council and a former U.S. Treasury official.

Port Of Damaged Goods: India's Dangerous Investment In Iran's Chahabar - Forbes

 

[haman10]

^^ @The SC mate , for us iranians , whenever our enemies start bashing and attacking our allies , it shows that we're doing a good thing .

so chabahar is 100% a good job which is economically and even politically essential to the bilateral ties and even regional dynamics .

 

[Arya Desa]

^^ @The SC mate , for us iranians , whenever our enemies start bashing and attacking our allies , it shows that we're doing a good thing .

so chabahar is 100% a good job which is economically and even politically essential to the bilateral ties and even regional dynamics .

Don't mind him, you can find his country mates stinking up any positive thread related to India, such is their complex.

Just look at this thread:
India plans to set up satellite tracking station in Vietnam