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Iran's cyber defense headquarters has succeeded in making internal mail servers which would enable Iranian organizations and bodies to use local email addresses.


“One of the most important problems in the cyber arena in Iran is that many individuals and even university professors are using email services like Gmail and Yahoo and have no local email,” head of the headquarters Saeed Rahimi said.

“Technical infrastructures have been built in the country and mail servers have been made at the cyber defense headquarters to manage Iranian emails,” he added.


PressTV - Iran cyber defense headquarters makes local mail servers
 
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You do realize that this is not much of a technical challenge expect for the Mullahs..we made this as our final year A'Level project..A simple SMTP and POP3 Mail server. It can also be have for free with many linux distro's and a teenager could configure it for you. Good luck with reinventing the wheel for nothing.

that many individuals and even university professors are using email services like Gmail and Yahoo and have no local email,”
Now that is laughable isn't it?? Dont they have local ISP who can provide email services or the universities do not have their own portals with email service?
Even funny is how they try to link it up with defense to make it look like a defense related achievement. Come on guys, this is 2012 and you need to grow up!

Supposedly superior Iranian scientists discover email in 2012.
 
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You do realize that this is not much of a technical challenge expect for the Mullahs..we made this as our final year A'Level project..A simple SMTP and POP3 Mail server. It can also be have for free with many linux distro's and a teenager could configure it for you. Good luck with reinventing the wheel for nothing.


Now that is laughable isn't it?? Dont they have local ISP who can provide email services or the universities do not have their own portals with email service?
Even funny is how they try to link it up with defense to make it look like a defense related achievement. Come on guys, this is 2012 and you need to grow up!

Supposedly superior Iranian scientists discover email in 2012.
lol
again this arab begun comparing arabs with Iran .lol
 
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You do realize that this is not much of a technical challenge expect for the Mullahs..we made this as our final year A'Level project..A simple SMTP and POP3 Mail server. It can also be have for free with many linux distro's and a teenager could configure it for you. Good luck with reinventing the wheel for nothing.
Sure, a SMTP and POP3 mail server that are hosted on US/Canada/UK or some other western country with applications written by western countries. What a challenge you faced :lol: Now go and create one indigenous one if you can (and I'm sure you will never be able to do anything of the sort).

Now that is laughable isn't it?? Dont they have local ISP who can provide email services or the universities do not have their own portals with email service?
Even funny is how they try to link it up with defense to make it look like a defense related achievement. Come on guys, this is 2012 and you need to grow up!

Supposedly superior Iranian scientists discover email in 2012.

What is laughable is that somebozo, a person who knows nothing about such stuff, is lecturing Iran about what they should do. I think I must let you know that if you stay silent, people will not realize that you're dumb, but if you keep writing this way, everyone's gonna understand that you know nothing about the matter.
You have a deep confusion about these matters, it's not your fault though, these things will only be understood in Saudi Arabia at least one decade later, so far now it's just over the top for your brain to discuss them. But just to inform you, all data centers of the world that rent 'dedicated' servers to other companies or organizations are mostly located in western countries, in particular USA and Canada and when you have a dedicated server you have to buy bandwidth for it, which is again in control of countries based in western countries. Even when you want to start an SMTP server or POP3 mail server on your local host, all the applications have been written by western countries. It's not really a challenge to start a SMPT mail server though, even someone like I who doesn't know much about programming could write a script to send emails via SMTP, but the situation is totally different when it comes to a mail server which is preferably using POP3 to send/receive emails through a secure channel. So what you're saying sounds pretty much laughable to someone knows the least from web-hosting issues.
It's one of the hardest challenges that any country could face and so far I know only few countries like Russia that have succeeded to establish their indigenous national services and China.
 
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Sure, a SMTP and POP3 mail server that are hosted on US/Canada/UK or some other western country with applications written by western countries. What a challenge you faced :lol: Now go and create one indigenous one if you can (and I'm sure you will never be able to do anything of the sort).



What is laughable is that somebozo, a person who knows nothing about such stuff, is lecturing Iran about what they should do. I think I must let you know that if you stay silent, people will not realize that you're dumb, but if you keep writing this way, everyone's gonna understand that you know nothing about the matter.
You have a deep confusion about these matters, it's not your fault though, these things will only be understood in Saudi Arabia at least one decade later, so far now it's just over the top for your brain to discuss them. But just to inform you, all data centers of the world that rent 'dedicated' servers to other companies or organizations are mostly located in western countries, in particular USA and Canada and when you have a dedicated server you have to buy bandwidth for it, which is again in control of countries based in western countries. Even when you want to start an SMTP server or POP3 mail server on your local host, all the applications have been written by western countries. It's not really a challenge to start a SMPT mail server though, even someone like I who doesn't know much about programming could write a script to send emails via SMTP, but the situation is totally different when it comes to a mail server which is preferably using POP3 to send/receive emails through a secure channel. So what you're saying sounds pretty much laughable to someone knows the least from web-hosting issues.
It's one of the hardest challenges that any country could face and so far I know only few countries like Russia that have succeeded to establish their indigenous national services and China.
The man had a point. Your post is a Red Herring. See the highlighted word. That makes all the effort put into making(the article is very bad in the first place. Did the engineers assemble a physical server optimized for mail servers? Did they write a mail server application? Did the engineers create a cloud where any Iranian company can reserve space and run its own customized mail server? Or is it just making a big deal out of nothing and engineers also know that?) email server is for reinventing the wheel.

FYI any university worth its salt in the world maintains its own email servers; the mails physically stay on their own servers and not on some 'US/UK/Canada or Western countries'' infrastructure.

Iran may have to reinvent the wheel because of the sanctions. They may not be able to buy processors and such products easily from the market. They may not be able to buy good software from Western companies. They may be doing a lot of hard work from scratch but setting up mail server is not one.

USA's a**holic sanctions led to at least one good thing in history of computer engineering. Its called 'Lua' . Let me know if Iran comes up with something with such high utility.
 
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The man had a point. Your post is a Red Herring. See the highlighted word. That makes all the effort put into making(the article is very bad in the first place. Did the engineers assemble a physical server optimized for mail servers? Did they write a mail server application? Did the engineers create a cloud where any Iranian company can reserve space and run its own customized mail server? Or is it just making a big deal out of nothing and engineers also know that?) email server is for reinventing the wheel.
So let me first explain the whole plan for you. Iran is creating a national internet, something like an intranet, this is going to cut off the access of western countries from important national services inside Iran which is a very important move. For that purpose, Iran needs to start a BIG intranet, something which is totally different than some university having its own mail server. What you mean by a mail server is not what it's meant in the article. It's easy to start a mail server even on a dedicated server or even a VPS that has enough space to save the e-mails in it. That's not what they mean by a national mail server. Iran already has a national mail server on this address : mail.Iran.ir, but this project is HUGE!
As I said before and I like to reiterate again, ALMOST ALL BIG data-centers of the world are mostly located in US/Canada/UK and few other European countries. I've worked with many of them with all the restrictions I faced in Iran since I was a teenage, I have had dedicated servers from host9, hostgator, the planet, iweb, pronto and many other data centers and I've even managed my own servers by installing Apache, my SQL, PHP, Cpanel and other applications on my own and have even re-compiled and upgraded linux kernel several times on my own, so I know what I'm talking about. You can certainly create a mail server on your dedicated server, you can even buy servers (I mean having physical access to the server at your place) if you want, but when it comes to providing huge bandwidth for your customers which is the most important point when you have a huge traffic, at the end you'll find that you have to buy it from USA in some way. There's no doubt that the USA has dominance over the internet and this dominance is indeed very strong.

FYI any university worth its salt in the world maintains its own email servers; the mails physically stay on their own servers and not on some 'US/UK/Canada or Western countries'' infrastructure.
So does my university, but I wouldn't call that a national mail server, because first of all the server is most probably hosted in a data center which is in one of those countries that I mentioned, and second of all the connection is not entirely under their control. You can only boast about your own mail server when you have full access to it and no one else has access to it. I hope I'm clearer now.


Iran may have to reinvent the wheel because of the sanctions. They may not be able to buy processors and such products easily from the market. They may not be able to buy good software from Western companies. They may be doing a lot of hard work from scratch but setting up mail server is not one.
USA's a**holic sanctions led to at least one good thing in history of computer engineering. Its called 'Lua' . Let me know if Iran comes up with something with such high utility.
Actually a**holic restrictions have led to many good things in history of computer science and engineering. That's how Linux was built by Linus Torvalds. He stole the codes of Unix to create a new OS, but that's not my point. The point is that this project is really huge. Iran is creating its own national internet(or you could call it a big national intranet) which is disconnected/isolated from the rest of the world and Iran is going to use it to give high-speed access to services like national TV channels, mail servers, etc. That's something that only few countries have done so far and it's something very sophisticated.

At the end, I'd like to say that I agree with you that the article itself is very unclear.
 
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have you read his post?
sorry i mean PGCC arab countries.you Iranian arabs are our brothers.

I'm Lor ..... not Arab ...
If you have problem with some one or a group , you shouldn't insult his race ... after all , all humans have same father and mother .... if you insult their race , they could response you with more insults .... don't spread hatred ....
 
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I'm Lor ..... not Arab ...
If you have problem with some one or a group , you shouldn't insult his race ... after all , all humans have same father and mother .... if you insult their race , they could response you with more insults .... don't spread hatred ....
دوست گلم پستم رو خوندي؟
ميگم منظورم عربا نيست منظورم كشور هاي حاشيه خليج فارسه
 
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So let me first explain the whole plan for you. Iran is creating a national internet, something like an intranet, this is going to cut off the access of western countries from important national services inside Iran which is a very important move. For that purpose, Iran needs to start a BIG intranet, something which is totally different than some university having its own mail server. What you mean by a mail server is not what it's meant in the article. It's easy to start a mail server even on a dedicated server or even a VPS that has enough space to save the e-mails in it. That's not what they mean by a national mail server. Iran already has a national mail server on this address : mail.Iran.ir, but this project is HUGE!
As I said before and I like to reiterate again, ALMOST ALL BIG data-centers of the world are mostly located in US/Canada/UK and few other European countries. I've worked with many of them with all the restrictions I faced in Iran since I was a teenage, I have had dedicated servers from host9, hostgator, the planet, iweb, pronto and many other data centers and I've even managed my own servers by installing Apache, my SQL, PHP, Cpanel and other applications on my own and have even re-compiled and upgraded linux kernel several times on my own, so I know what I'm talking about. You can certainly create a mail server on your dedicated server, you can even buy servers (I mean having physical access to the server at your place) if you want, but when it comes to providing huge bandwidth for your customers which is the most important point when you have a huge traffic, at the end you'll find that you have to buy it from USA in some way. There's no doubt that the USA has dominance over the internet and this dominance is indeed very strong.


So does my university, but I wouldn't call that a national mail server, because first of all the server is most probably hosted in a data center which is in one of those countries that I mentioned, and second of all the connection is not entirely under their control. You can only boast about your own mail server when you have full access to it and no one else has access to it. I hope I'm clearer now.
Nobody buys bandwidth from US. If you host a server on your own machine and pay your ISP enough you have set up a high bandwidth website.

Ok. The BIIG internet or intranet you are saying needs nothing. Iran has everything it needs inside its own territory; routers, dns servers, fibre etc., They just need to cut off their cross-country cables. Internet in any country is not dependent on connectivity with the USA(Unless you want to spring up a gem like how Linus Torvalds stole Unix code). So the so-called beeeg project you mentioned is really a small action that takes political will. One might wonder why Iran's government did not do that yet. Well the reason is simple- They need the (real, outside) internet and people will revolt if internet is cut off. I repeat almost all good universities own their email servers in the exact sense that you would consider as ownership. I am not a techie like you, but even I can tell this much is true about the internet.


Unless you are saying that Iran is on a project to replace the Internet as in the whole protocols like tcp and dns. The last such project I know was funded by some pretty big shot guys in academia and after five years see where they are. I don't think Iran can do that.

The national internet thing is big hoax being perpetrated on uninformed Iranians. I hope I am wrong and there will be a new and better Internet but I am not naive.

Actually a**holic restrictions have led to many good things in history of computer science and engineering. That's how Linux was built by Linus Torvalds. He stole the codes of Unix to create a new OS, but that's not my point. The point is that this project is really huge. Iran is creating its own national internet(or you could call it a big national intranet) which is disconnected/isolated from the rest of the world and Iran is going to use it to give high-speed access to services like national TV channels, mail servers, etc. That's something that only few countries have done so far and it's something very sophisticated.
Seriously dude, where did you get that from?
 
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Nobody buys bandwidth from US. If you host a server on your own machine and pay your ISP enough you have set up a high bandwidth website.

Ok. The BIIG internet or intranet you are saying needs nothing. Iran has everything it needs inside its own territory; routers, dns servers, fibre etc., They just need to cut off their cross-country cables. Internet in any country is not dependent on connectivity with the USA(Unless you want to spring up a gem like how Linus Torvalds stole Unix code). So the so-called beeeg project you mentioned is really a small action that takes political will. One might wonder why Iran's government did not do that yet. Well the reason is simple- They need the (real, outside) internet and people will revolt if internet is cut off. I repeat almost all good universities own their email servers in the exact sense that you would consider as ownership. I am not a techie like you, but even I can tell this much is true about the internet.


Unless you are saying that Iran is on a project to replace the Internet as in the whole protocols like tcp and dns. The last such project I know was funded by some pretty big shot guys in academia and after five years see where they are. I don't think Iran can do that.

The national internet thing is big hoax being perpetrated on uninformed Iranians. I hope I am wrong and there will be a new and better Internet but I am not naive.


Seriously dude, where did you get that from?

You do not know what you are talking about. The global internet at its core depends on just 13 root DNS servers which are based in US and are completely under American control. If those servers are shut down or US blocks out a country selectively then the internet would disappear globally or in that specific country eg. India. Infact American president has the authority to kill the entire internet if he sees fit.
 
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You do not know what you are talking about. The global internet at its core depends on just 13 root DNS servers which are based in US and are completely under American control. If those servers are shut down or US blocks out a country selectively then the internet would disappear globally or in that specific country eg. India. Infact American president has the authority to kill the entire internet if he sees fit.
If Iran disconnects itself from the world, then these root dns servers are useless. Iran's own servers can take over. Besides dns queries reach root servers only if Iranian servers want so.
The kill switch is a fairy tale. It is not possible to implement. At most they can send a kill message to all routers(assuming all of them are made by US companies) in the world. But if Iran disconnects first, the kill message will never affect Iranian infrastructure.
 
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Nobody buys bandwidth from US. If you host a server on your own machine and pay your ISP enough you have set up a high bandwidth website.
Really? I doubt you have ever had even a personal weblog! What you're saying is laughable. Do you know what bandwidth means?
I'm not an expert in the field of computer science or radio communications and bandwidth is technically used for different concepts in signal processing and other fields, but just like orbits around the earth that have regulations and each country has its own share of the available registered orbits around the earth in GEO, the same regulations exist in the internet. Inside every country, the ISPs have to register a range of frequency for themselves and that is regulated by the telecommunication organization in the country. In a larger scale, when you want to have a share of the internet you must buy it and there are international regulations for that that I'm not fully aware of.

Ok. The BIIG internet or intranet you are saying needs nothing. Iran has everything it needs inside its own territory; routers, dns servers, fibre etc., They just need to cut off their cross-country cables. Internet in any country is not dependent on connectivity with the USA(Unless you want to spring up a gem like how Linus Torvalds stole Unix code). So the so-called beeeg project you mentioned is really a small action that takes political will. One might wonder why Iran's government did not do that yet. Well the reason is simple- They need the (real, outside) internet and people will revolt if internet is cut off. I repeat almost all good universities own their email servers in the exact sense that you would consider as ownership. I am not a techie like you, but even I can tell this much is true about the internet.
So you think to make up a big network you only need to have routers, a bunch of fibers extended across the country and that's it? Really?
Iran doesn't want to cut off the internet, it wants to create a parallel network inside the country beside the internet. Do you understand the difference now?
In all countries internet is somehow related to the USA. Let me explain it to you this way, forget about data centers. When you type an address in your browser, you type English alphabets and numbers with a suffix like .com, but I hope you know that such a thing is completely nonsense and meaningless in a network. In the internet (or even in a LAN) each server/client has a given address which is called IP (internet protocol), that's where the concept of a domain comes from. To make things easier and to make it possible for ordinary users to get connected to a server/client in a network, you could give a system in the network a name like defence.pk, then when you refer to that server/client this given name is translated into its IP, in fact simple words, I'm explaining to you what a Domain Name Server does. Now, there are regulations and international companies that register domains. I don't mean the resellers like godaddy that have been accredited by ICANN or other giant companies, but I mean a company like ICANN itself. Here is a good introduction to what ICANN does:
ICANN is responsible for the coordination of the global Internet's systems of unique identifiers and, in particular, ensuring its stable and secure operation.[2] This work includes coordination of the Internet Protocol address spaces (IPv4 and IPv6) and assignment of address blocks to regional Internet registries, for maintaining registries of Internet protocol identifiers, and for the management of the top-level domain name space (DNS root zone), which includes the operation of root nameservers. Most visibly, much of its work has concerned the DNS policy development for internationalization of the DNS system and introduction of new generic top-level domains (TLDs). The actual technical maintenance work of maintenance of the central Internet address pools and DNS root registries ICANN performs pursuant to the "IANA function" contract.

Before the establishment of ICANN, the Government of the United States controlled the domain name system of the Internet
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The original mandate for ICANN came from the United States government, spanning the presidential administrations of both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. On January 30, 1998, the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA), an agency of the U.S. Department of Commerce, issued for comment, "A Proposal to Improve the Technical Management of Internet Names and Addresses." The proposed rule making, or "Green Paper", was published in the Federal Register on February 20, 1998, providing opportunity for public comment. NTIA received more than 650 comments as of March 23, 1998, when the comment period closed.
Even today, when you want to buy bandwidth or register a .com/.net/.org/etc domain you are in someway buying it from the USA. The USA has dominance over the internet in many ways, from giant private companies that impose regulations on the internet and have so much power over it to smaller countries that are called data centers and are still way bigger than what you could imagine.

Unless you are saying that Iran is on a project to replace the Internet as in the whole protocols like tcp and dns. The last such project I know was funded by some pretty big shot guys in academia and after five years see where they are. I don't think Iran can do that.
No one is going to replace TCP. It seems you're totally lost I think. Let me explain it this way to you, suppose you're setting up a LAN (Local Area Network) for your home, you're certainly using TCP/IP but as long as your LAN is not connected to the internet it's isolated from it. got it? If you've ever set up a simple LAN, you know that it's not really that easy. Now suppose such a thing must be done in a much larger scale something like a MAN or you might even call it a WAN. Iran isn't going to invent new protocols and replace TCP/IP for example, that's possible but unnecessary, but Iran is going to create a safe network which is isolated from the internet. This guarantees the safety of the important data that is transmitted inside Iran's national network in many ways.

The national internet thing is big hoax being perpetrated on uninformed Iranians. I hope I am wrong and there will be a new and better Internet but I am not naive.
It's not a hoax, It's what already taking place.

Seriously dude, where did you get that from?
Everyone knows it, I wonder how you don't know it.
I guess these two quotes prove my point:
Unix quickly grew and became widely adopted by academic institutions and businesses. In 1984, AT&T divested itself of Bell Labs. Free of the legal glitch requiring free licensing, Bell Labs began selling Unix as a proprietary product.
Linus Benedict Torvalds (Swedish pronunciation: [ˈliːn.ɵs ˈtuːr.valds] ( listen); born December 28, 1969 in Helsinki, Finland) is a Finnish American[2][5] software engineer and hacker, best known for having initiated the development of the open source Linux kernel.
Linus Torvalds successfully cracked Unix codes and wrote his own kernel for a new OS which is now called Linux. Does it make sense now?

Oh! I forgot to answer the best part of your post:
I repeat almost all good universities own their email servers in the exact sense that you would consider as ownership.
You can repeat it as many as you want, but what you call it mail server ownership is very different than what I call it mail server ownership. I explain this point again to clarify things up.
It's really not so hard to create a mail server, all you need to do is to register a domain like Arian.com (It's not available though :P) and then you'll need a space to host your files on it, in this case you'll need enough space to host the emails of the members on it. It's really easy to build a mail server now, just write an application that co-operates with Cpanel, Cpanel (even very old versions of Cpanel) has this feature that the owner of any host on the server can create as many mail accounts as it wants (it could be restricted by the owner of the server though) by just clicking on some buttons. You could build emails like admin@arian.com and many other. You could even start a mail server that gives your users email addresses like [user]@arian.com, but that's not really a mail server because all of your emails are hosted on a bigger server or even if you have a dedicated server, still the admins of the data center have access to your emails. Do you see what I mean? And we're now only talking about physical access, we're not talking about the security of the data which is sent/received in the network, etc. I hope it's clearer now.
 
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Nobody buys bandwidth from US. If you host a server on your own machine and pay your ISP enough you have set up a high bandwidth website.

Ok. The BIIG internet or intranet you are saying needs nothing. Iran has everything it needs inside its own territory; routers, dns servers, fibre etc., They just need to cut off their cross-country cables. Internet in any country is not dependent on connectivity with the USA(Unless you want to spring up a gem like how Linus Torvalds stole Unix code). So the so-called beeeg project you mentioned is really a small action that takes political will. One might wonder why Iran's government did not do that yet. Well the reason is simple- They need the (real, outside) internet and people will revolt if internet is cut off. I repeat almost all good universities own their email servers in the exact sense that you would consider as ownership. I am not a techie like you, but even I can tell this much is true about the internet.


Unless you are saying that Iran is on a project to replace the Internet as in the whole protocols like tcp and dns. The last such project I know was funded by some pretty big shot guys in academia and after five years see where they are. I don't think Iran can do that.

The national internet thing is big hoax being perpetrated on uninformed Iranians. I hope I am wrong and there will be a new and better Internet but I am not naive.


Seriously dude, where did you get that from?

This is the most Illinformed post I have ever seen
You don't know **** about how things work but you write as if you are an expert
 
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