Iran Could Directly Combat Terrorists inside Pakistan: Senior Commander

[Mav3rick]

Childish optimism is a coping strategy

Optimism is the actual driving force behind every success. We are generally happier then you are and that is a fact

 

[VCheng]

You need to have clear defined and standardised objectives (applicable worldwide with as low bias and qualitative intel as possible) and good exit plan (if you commit to ground) no matter how powerful/wise you may think you are.....or not do it at all (which is best option for me).

US did neither....and worse, was already engaged in another (long logistics) theatre at same time. It is hubris in the end....and hubris creates only unneeded suffering. The results speak for themselves.

What if the plan is to remake the entire region in a few decades? The first steps would be to tear down and weaken the existing structures.

@Nilgiri

Specific to the topic of the thread, what people may have missed out is the sudden 'discovery' by Taliban that their representatives can not fly to Islamabad as they remain on no fly list of US. This was in the immediate aftermath of the strike in Iran and accusation by the Iranians of Pakistan's ISI supporting anti-Iran elements.

Will go out on a limb here. This should clearly be read in conjunction with the frequent media reports of the Taliban receiving support from Iran and Russia. That the Taliban have avoided coming to Pakistan, should be a clear indication of who is calling the shots with them today.

I am simply amazed at the Pakistanis here, who fail to realize the impact of the recent events. Effectively, they have closed off their lines of communications - having a hostile Iran (not helped by MBS' statements yesterday), Afghanistan and India, all riled up simultaneously and Taliban also staying away from Pakistan.

I am yet to find an precedent wherein the members cheer the fervent pace at which their country is encircling itself with hostile neighbours with bombastic statements as evident here.

Pakistan has clearly chosen the Saudi/US camp to the extent it is allowed in, despite its neighborhood.

 

[Serpentine]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1097776375610728449

 

[Hellfire]

What if the plan is to remake the entire region in a few decades? The first steps would be to tear down and weaken the existing structures..

That seems to be the plan. We may see quite a bit of re-engineering in the coming time. Things are about to get interesting. Get your popcorn out

 

[RPK]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1097803298428510208

 

[VCheng]

That seems to be the plan. We may see quite a bit of re-engineering in the coming time. Things are about to get interesting. Get your popcorn out

The re-engineering has already started. It will take a while to complete. I pointed this out a few years ago that such a major undertaking would be underway.

(BTW I am already on my third tub of popcorn. )

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Taliban can be considered a bit apprehensive of a situation wherein it loses favour with Iranians

It’s not a zero sum game. Again, the Iranians don’t want to make an enemy out of Pakistan given the damage Pakistan can inflict upon them in concert with regional and global powers. There have been other attacks in Iran and similar statements from Iran - you’re putting way too much credence in your theory that this particular attack is somehow a game changer that resulted in the Iranians forcing the Taliban to cancel talks.

The Russians are not going to isolate Pakistan over Iran. They’ve balanced India and Pakistan relations well enough to where an Iran-Pakistan balancing act will be easy. In any case, Iran, Pakistan and Russia have a common goal in stabilizing Afghanistan - ganging up on Pakistan is not going to accomplish that.

 

[ziaulislam]

It’s not a zero sum game. Again, the Iranians don’t want to make an enemy out of Pakistan given the damage Pakistan can inflict upon them in concert with regional and global powers. There have been other attacks in Iran and similar statements from Iran - you’re putting way too much credence in your theory that this particular attack is somehow a game changer that resulted in the Iranians forcing the Taliban to cancel talks.

The Russians are not going to isolate Pakistan over Iran. They’ve balanced India and Pakistan relations well enough to where an Iran-Pakistan balancing act will be easy. In any case, Iran, Pakistan and Russia have a common goal in stabilizing Afghanistan - hanging up on Pakistan is not going to accomplish that.

If Pakistan comes to it we can topple this regime in weeks with Arabs and US
They are playing with fire

Iran Could Directly Combat Terrorists inside Pakistan: Senior Commander


TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces Major General Mohammad Hossein Baqeri said Iran could directly step in to crush Pakistani-based terrorist groups under the UN Charter.

February, 18, 2019

Speaking to reporters in the city of Qom on Monday, the top Iranian general said Tehran has called on Pakistani military and political officials to take serious action in the fight against terrorist groups near the common border with Iranو in the wake of a recent terrorist attack that killed 27 IRGC personnel in southeast Iran.

The Pakistani authorities have been urged to take responsibility for the fight against terrorist groups “or allow our forces to enter (Pakistan) and fight off these terrorist groups,” he added.

A bus carrying IRGC personnel was traveling between the cities of Zahedan and Khash, in Sistan and Balouchestan on February 13, when it was targeted in a suicide car bomb attack. Twenty-seven IRGC members were killed and 13 others injured in the attack, claimed by the so-called Jaish ul-Adl terrorist group based in Pakistan.

Elsewhere in his remarks, Major General Baqeri reiterated the need for Islamabad to ensure stability and security near the border with Iran, adding, “If the centers used for training, accommodating, preparing and lodging terrorist groups in Pakistan would intend to continue their activities for any reason, it would be the Islamic Republic’s natural and international right under the United Nations Charter to take direct action against those centers and take revenge if necessary.”

The top commander also noted that Iran has provided intelligence for Pakistan, whose army has reportedly launched an operation since Sunday in the Pakistani Balochistan region against the terrorist groups.

He stressed that Iran will keep negotiations with Pakistan and pressuring it to make sure that the terrorist groups will be rooted out from the southeastern province of Sistan and Balouchestan.

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/...t-terrorists-inside-pakistan-senior-commander

you remmber USS Samuel B. Roberts

View attachment 540233

and the U.S oil Tanker Bridgeton


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeton_incident

Things are changing USA is no longer largely dependent on oil imports its china ...iran is over estimating its power if oil

 

[Maxpane]

why not joint operation just like in the past

 

[SOHEIL]

why not joint operation just like in the past

This is what exactly going to happen ...

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

@SOHEIL

Do Iranians recognize that Pakistan has nothing to gain from supporting such attacks inside Iran? Pakistan itself suffers from terrorism, corruption and poor governance and the latter two are one of the reasons why terrorism isn't completely under control. Pakistan has no incentive to support terrorism in Iran.

The groups that attack Iran have twins that attack Pakistan.

 

[SOHEIL]

@SOHEIL

Do Iranians recognize that Pakistan has nothing to gain from supporting such attacks inside Iran? Pakistan itself suffers from terrorism, corruption and poor governance and the latter two are one of the reasons why terrorism isn't completely under control. Pakistan has no incentive to support terrorism in Iran.

The groups that attack Iran have twins that attack Pakistan.

Yes we do !

But ISI don't care much about Pakistan's interests...

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Yes we do !

But ISI don't care much about Pakistan's interests...

ISI is all about Pakistani interests and it does not function outside of military control. Whether it's Afghanistan or India, the ISI's actions are to secure Pakistani interests, and both of those countries openly acknowledge a desire to break Pakistan apart in someway and take over Pakistani territory.

Pakistan has no territorial dispute with Iran, in fact we share a common enemy in the terrorist groups that attack Pakistanis and Iranians in Baluchistan and Sistan. The ISI, therefore, has a shared interest with Iran in neutralizing these groups. The one major lesson that came out of the initial years of Pakistan's war against terrorism was that groups with similar ideology cooperate and collaborate and share resources.

For the ISI to cooperate with the terrorist groups in Iran-Sistan would mean that the ISI is basically cooperating with the terrorist groups in Pakistan-Balochistan - that's a ludicrous assertion since Pakistan's goal for years has been to stabilize Balochistan so it can get more investors in there and make CPEC and Gwadar a success.

 

[VCheng]

ISI is all about Pakistani interests and it does not function outside of military control. Whether it's Afghanistan or India, the ISI's actions are to secure Pakistani interests, and both of those countries openly acknowledge a desire to break Pakistan apart in someway and take over Pakistani territory.

Pakistan has no territorial dispute with Iran, in fact we share a common enemy in the terrorist groups that attack Pakistanis and Iranians in Baluchistan and Sistan. The ISI, therefore, has a shared interest with Iran in neutralizing these groups. The one major lesson that came out of the initial years of Pakistan's war against terrorism was that groups with similar ideology cooperate and collaborate and share resources.

For the ISI to cooperate with the terrorist groups in Iran-Sistan would mean that the ISI is basically cooperating with the terrorist groups in Pakistan-Balochistan - that's a ludicrous assertion since Pakistan's goal for years has been to stabilize Balochistan so it can get more investors in there and make CPEC and Gwadar a success.

May be Iran is viewing the recent bonhomie between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia with some concern?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

May be Iran is viewing the recent bonhomie between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia with some concern?

Very likely, but pushing Pakistan into a corner is not likely to improve the Pakistan-Iran relationship, it's only going to push Pakistan closer to the Saudis and the Iranians don't want (or atleast shouldn't) Pakistan in a position where it doesn't feel like it needs to put any effort in balancing it's relationship with Iran.

The Saudis, Trump and Israelis are all baying for Iranian blood - does Iran really want to push Pakistani into their corner?