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Iran Condemns Egypt's Sectarian Killings As "Contradicting Islam"

Wahabbi is a subset.. not all Sunni's would like to be classified that.

Hi Oscar,

I hope you're doing very well and good.

I would like to mention two points the guys hadn't shed a better light on, that's all. I'm not into religions so much, but let just put two and two together :-

1- Any Sunni ,who refuses/rejects to call on the dead for help or to save him or whatever, is by definition a true follower of the Sunni sect. There had been a numerous variation to those who fallow the true Sunnah sect, Salafism is one of those naming, and the degree of extremism varies from one group of people to the others.

2- The word Wahab, by definition, means the bestower or giver, so, people should be careful when they use such term like this especially when they fallow the Sunni faith. We do believe that there is only one bestower, don't we? :)
 
Bahai'is in Egypt

In 1925, Egypt became the first Islamic state to legally recognize the Bahá'í Faith as an independent religion apart from Islam. Despite a historically active Egyptian Bahá'í community during the early twentieth century, Bahá'í institutions and community activities have been banned since 1960 by Law 263. This law was decreed by Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser, seven years after the founding of the Arab Republic of Egypt. All Bahá'í community properties, including Bahá'í centers, libraries, and cemeteries, were confiscated by the government. The current Egyptian Bahá'í community, estimated to number between several hundred and two thousand, has also had fatwas issued against it by Al-Azhar's Islamic Research Center, which charges Bahá'ís with apostasy.

In January 2001, 18 people, mostly Bahá'ís, were arrested in the city of Sohag under the pretence of having violated Article 98(F) of the Penal Code ("insulting a heavenly religion") and other possible charges, 10 of whom were held in detention for over 10 months without being formally charged.

During and since the 2011 Egyptian revolution tensions have remained high - homes have been burnt though Bahá'ís contributed to the dialog. Since 2011 Bahá'ís while hopeful remain concerned and a Salafi spokesman has said of Bahá'ís "We will prosecute the Bahai's (sic) on charge of treason."


Looks like both Iranians and Egyptions have to stand up for Bahai's rights in our countries.

Hi Oscar,


1- Any Sunni ,who refuses/rejects to call on the dead for help or to save him or whatever, is by definition a true follower of the Sunni sect. There had been a numerous variation to those who fallow the true Sunnah sect, Salafism is one of those naming, and the degree of extremism varies from one group of people to the others.


This is not true I know a lot of Sunnis that visit shrines of saints all over the Muslim world, and pray to the saints to get better or help them.
 
bahais are the ones really persecuted in Iran. ANd i am sorry about this. I hope it changes in the future.

The Bahais been prosecuted all over the Muslim world for way too long, It's time people stand up for them. I'm glad our society is past the mob mentality, but we still have a long way to go. But the Bahais are still viewed by suspicious, I'm guilty of this too.
 
This is not true I know a lot of Sunnis that visit shrines of saints all over the Muslim world, and pray to the saints to get better or help them.

LoLz. Are you trying to argue with us? Dude, praying for the dead is forbidden in Islam, don't know about your faith though.
 
LoLz. Are you trying to argue with us? Dude, praying for the dead is forbidden in Islam, don't know about your faith though.

Millions of Sufis from Pakistan, Algeria, Libya, Morocco, etc.. visit shrines and pray to their saints to help them.

and these are Sunni Sufis.

But that's why you kill the Sufis too. God curs you.

Growing Violence in Egypt by Salafists Against Sufi Shrines



The recent spate of violent attacks by Salafists in Egypt against shrines sacred to Sufis gives an insight into how the puritanical branch intends to interact with the rest of society.


The hostility between Sufis and Salafists, long suppressed in the minds and hearts of both parties, has revealed its fangs for all to see. The shrines built to commemorate and worship saints in the Sufi tradition is a very physical embodiment of the clash in ideology and faith of the two groups. For Sufis these are sacred sites at which to pray and worship through celebration, for Salafists they are an abomination against Islam and the teaching of the Prophet.

This fractious relationship has recently taken a violent turn with the destruction of shrines by Salafists across Egypt, attracting attention to the diverging paths of faith as the attacks spread. The latest act was the burning of the tomb of Sidi Izz El-Din in Qalioubiya, which sparked the crisis and confrontation between the two groups.

A bearded man was apprehended by local residents after he threw a Molotov cocktail on the wood that covers the shrine of Sidi Izz El-Din. Word quickly spread that the young arsonist, who fled the town for fear of persecution, was part of the local Salafist group, something denied by the group’s leadership.

An extraordinary general assembly of the Sufi Council, which represents Egypt’s 20 million Sufis, was convened by its head, Dr. Abdel Hady El-Qasabi. The assembly discussed how to deal with these developments and announced the formation of popular committees (unofficial guards) to protect the shrines and those of Al al-Bayt (the descendents of the Prophet Mohammed).

The Muslim Brotherhood has become involved, lending its weight in an attempt to contain the crisis between the two parties; a prominent leader in the group, Dr. Gamal Heshmat, declared his readiness to mediate between the Sufis and Salafists. A meeting between all parties has been agreed for a later date to calm things down.

Another meeting was convened by the ministry of religious endowments in Alexandria between prominent Salafist and Sufi leaders. A memorandum of reconciliation was signed, whereby the Salafists asserted that they had neither demolished the shrines nor would they incite such behaviour.

In return, Sheikh Yasser Burhami, a member of the Salafist Call in Alexandria, denied the demolition of shrines: “We do not change the evil thing with our own hand because this matter is within the jurisdiction of the political ruler.” He also pointed out that the sunnah (religious teachings) of the Prophet state that a grave should be no more that a few inches above the ground: "Oh God, do not make my grave an idol to be worshipped… God's wrath is intensified on the people who have taken the graves of their Prophets as tombs."

Although the Prophet ordered Ali bin Abi Talib, recognised by Sunnis as the fourth caliph and Shias as the first imam, to make any grave level with the ground, Sheikh Burhami said that the Salafists would not go so far as to implement this with their own hands. Instead they would educate the community “about the seriousness and the gravity of following the myths and keeping the existence of these shrines.” He said that the Salafists will clarify the abuses that these shrines commit.

The sheikh said: "After the outreach to people, we will call upon the governing body or authority to demolish the shrines when it is seen that the public interest is established and, thus, removing the evil will be without trouble and will not lead to the temptation of an even greater evil. This would be made at the time that the governing authority sees appropriate and after making sure that the people become aware that such practices are far from religion, and nothing but myths." The sheikh continued by referring to the words of the Prophet: "No graves are to be taken as mosques. I am forbidding you from doing so."

Hostility to Sufism is nothing new; Salafists believe that Sufis invent and introduce practices contradictory to the religion (including the building of mosques that have graves and advocating the supplication through the Muslim saints). The Salafists also reject the notion of moulids (an annual religious festival to mark the birthday of a saint, prophet or head of a religious order), condemning the events that take place occur during these celebrations, which they view as contradictory to the teachings of Islam. To their minds, the Sufis are nothing but “odds and ends.”

This self-righteous fury of the Salafists has sparked rumours that they are threatening to demolish Islamic Cairo’s iconic El-Hussein Mosque, which Sufis revere for being the burial place of the Prophet’s grandson Hussein. These rumours have been denied by Salafists. Abdel Moneim El-Shahat, a prominent Salafist, responded obliquely by pouring scorn on the site’s significance for Sufis. “There is no tomb in the El-Hussein mosque,” he said.

The Sufis, for their part, view the Salafists as a group of radical extremists whom they accuse of receiving financial support from Saudi Arabia in order to spread radicalism, extremism and terrorism in the community, including the demolition of shrines and large mosques.

While the shrines are not the only contentious issue between the two groups, they have stirred their mutual antipathy into a fiercely violent battle over the soul of religion.


http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/9366/Egypt/Politics-/Salafists-wrath-turns-violent-.aspx
 
Wahabis are Salafis..... Vast majority of Sunnis are not even Salafis.

Thank you.


Salafis and Wahhabis are the same people. They just decided to change their name because Whabbis were getting really bad publicity.

I know there are Millions of Egyption Sunni Sufis, and they are also being attacked.

Also being killed all over the Muslim world by these Salafis.


When will the world wake up?
 
:no: Sufism is a sect of its own.

Thank you for curisng me, after all, that's what the Iranians being known for :)

Millions of Sufis from Pakistan, Algeria, Libya, Morocco, etc.. visit shrines and pray to their saints to help them.

and these are Sunni Sufis.

But that's why you kill the Sufis too. God curs you.

Growing Violence in Egypt by Salafists Against Sufi Shrines
 
Thank you.


I know there are Millions of Egyption Sunni Sufis, and they are also being attacked.

Also being killed all over the Muslim world by these Salafis.


When will the world wake up?
When oil money stops flowing to Salafis in countries across the region.
 
Prominent Sufi dies in Dagestan suicide bombing

Thousands of mourners converged on a cemetery in Russia's republic of Dagestan on Tuesday night for the burial of a top Muslim religious leader who was killed in a suicide bombing hours earlier, Russian news agencies said.

Said Afandi, a leader of Sufi Muslims in the region, and five of his followers were killed by a female suicide bomber in an attack at Afandi's home in the village of Chirkei, said Dagestan Interior Ministry spokesman, Vyachelav Gasanov.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility or identification of the bomber, but the attack could be linked to tensions between Sufis and the Wahhabi sect that is the core of the insurgency in the republic. Afandi was a frequent public critic of Wahhabism.

In July, a top Muslim cleric in the Volga River republic of Tatarstan was gunned down and the republic's chief mufti was wounded when a bomb ripped through his car. Both victims had been vocal critics of radical groups that advocate a strict and puritan version of Islam known as Salafism.

In a visit to Tatarstan on Tuesday, Russian President Vladimir Putin presented state awards to the wounded mufti, Ildus Faizov, and relatives of the slain cleric Valiullah Yakupov.

Putin called for interethnic harmony and said of extremists: "You cannot defeat a unified, multinational, strong Russian nation because on the side of truth and justice are millions of people who fear nothing, who cannot be intimidated and know the price of peace."

The killing of Afandi highlighted the violent tensions that persist in Dagestan, even as neighboring Chechnya has become relatively pacified and orderly after two wars in the last 20 years between separatists and Russian forces.

Clashes with militants and attacks on police occur almost daily in Dagestan.

The Interfax and RIA Novosti news agencies said witnesses reported tens of thousands of mourners came to Afandi's burial.

Also Tuesday in Dagestan, a border guard opened fire on colleagues at a barracks, killing seven before being shot to death himself, Gasanov said. There was no indication of motivation.


Read more: Prominent Sufi dies in Dagestan suicide bombing | Fox News

When oil money stops flowing to Salafis in countries across the region.

I don't think it will ever stop, they the house of Sauds and the Salafi/Wahhabi have a strategic alliance.


We just have to pray to Allah , Saudi Arabia runs out of oil soon.

I'm hoping they run out in y lifetime, but I think by then it will be too late.....
 
@Oscar

I asked my Pakistani colleague, I asked her what's with Pakistanis and Wahabis? She told me that the ones who oppose Bidaa are called Wahabis, while others mix Islam teachings with their culture and previous religions they had used to adhere to.

Which Pakistani colleague & a 'lady' - Boy you'd better be on the best of behaviors with her otherwise its the gallows for you teddy bear ! :angry:

And can you please tell her - What you just said was absolute, unadulterated BS or so said a Pakistani Brother of yours ! :kiss3:
 
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:no: Sufism is a sect of its own.

Thank you for curisng me, after all, that's what the Iranians being known for :)

No I didn't mean to be disrespectful, and curse you. I meant the people that are committing violent acts against people. Including Iranians fanatics as well that hurt minorities like Baha'is.
 
Its not about not about accepting their teachings or not right now; its about getting rid of their ****** a$$ teachings and sheikhs outside of my country.

I partially agree

Well, Egypt is known for its ideological diversities, if an X or Y group of people poses a threat to Egypt, I'm sure the Gov't will take care of them.
 
I partially agree

Well, Egypt is known for its ideological diversities, if an X or Y group of people poses a threat to Egypt, I'm sure the Gov't will take care of them.

Diversities don't pose a threat to any nation. Unless they are EXTREMIST and want to blow you up with a bomb!
 

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