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Iran calls on Saudi Arabia & UAE to leave Bahrain ‘immediately’

This fight is not about Sunni and Shia, US and Saudi's want it to play out that way but it's all about the majority Shia's gaining the basic human rights they deserve, they have been brutally surpressed all these years and it's about time the majority voice was heard instead of being run by a corrupt Royal family.
 
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Where u see attack? He talked about democracy in Bahrain so I just suggested to make democracy in his country first.
it is non sense
it is not because you live in a dictatorship that you are not allowed to criticize the other dictators
Anyway Isreal is only good to say it will bomb Iran but your country never cared about the internal situation of our country so i dion't understand your comment??? we care about our own problems. of course we are happy if Pakistanais Afghan brothers Turkish and Iraqis share our opinion
Because we share frontiers, history (sometimes bad parts) and many interests i hope in the future
I dont care about their internal policies, but here Iran is pushing nose to other country.
Iran ' people are not allowed to go Bahrain. So physically not possible.
They are chiites so that's why Iran's officials speak a lot. But speaking is not supporting and speaking is not killing.

When Dagan said he supports the terrorist group Jundallah this is real support
who killing many innocent people
But anyway i didn't like too much blabla from my country but UNO should do something
But they don't and foreign army and police entered a country full of foreigners (to not give the jbs to the chiites)
 
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When Dagan said he supports the terrorist group Jundallah this is real support
He did not say that. I already told u once. On the other hand Iran's support of terrorist organizations is fact. Iran introduced suicide terrorism to the world.
 
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He did not say that. I already told u once. On the other hand Iran's support of terrorist organizations is fact. Iran introduced suicide terrorism to the world.
you said and i was giving the article from French-Israeli most known newspaper here.
read again my answer.
your country is sadly sponsoring terrorist activities but i guess most citizens didn't want to know that
Myself i know my country is sponsoring terrorist groups . i didn't like it. at least i have honesty to say it ;)
 
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you said and i was giving the article from French-Israeli most known newspaper here.
read again my answer.
your country is sadly sponsoring terrorist activities but i guess most citizens didn't want to know that
Here the original Dagan's words:

Dagan said that more should be done
to foment regime change in Iran, possibly with the support of
student democracy movements, and ethnic groups (e.g., Azeris,
Kurds, Baluchs) opposed to the ruling regime.


http://www.wikileaks.ch/cable/2007/08/07TELAVIV2652.html

Is that your "proof" of Israel supporting terrorism? :rolleyes: He did not even mention any Jundallah.

Myself i know my country is sponsoring terrorist groups . i didn't like it. at least i have honesty to say it ;)
Israel does not support terrorism unlike Iran.
 
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You first, Abii.



I was a conscript, a very unhappy conscript.



To be fair, they were trying their best to kill me, and I didn't ask them their religious affiliation. If I killed anyone, it was their bad luck. I was not very motivated, you see, but my officers would have killed me if I had refused to fight. Understand?



No, at least not as an Iraqi soldier under Saddam's rule. I may have killed Kurds, Shias, and/or Sunnis in self-defence when they attacked us because we are Christian. Again, I did not ask their religious affiliations or their addresses.



Where did I defend them? I merely asked a question.



I do. It is you for which I am having problems with respect due to your repeated attacks on me.

Have a blessed day!

ܥܕܬܐ ܩܕܝܫܬܐ ܘܫܠܝܚܝܬܐ ܩܬܘܠܝܩܝ ܕܡܕܢܚܐ ܕܐܬܘܪ̈ܝܐ

everybody has a choice. You chose to fight for Saddam and you have blood on your hands. You, your country men at the time, along with that dog called saddam are now collectively responsible for the state of your country. You used to have the most educated country in the ME. Now you're the gutter of the middle east.

You have no right to make any sort of judjement about anyone or anything as you clearly suck at doing so. I know your life as an Iraqi soldier centers around Iran, but trust me grandpa, you don't wanna spend the rest of your life with this Iran obsession. It's over, we won, you lost. What we do with Bahrain is none of your business.
 
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Hussain, why are you talking with this Zionist? These people are the biggest snakes on the planet. All they do is lie and deceit and they always get their handed to them as a result. Just leave it.

They have a habit of shooting themselves in the foot.
 
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everybody has a choice. You chose to fight for Saddam...

You must be a child since you have no idea of what you speak.

and you have blood on your hands.

Perhaps, but at least I am not a fool.

You, your country men at the time, along with that dog called saddam are now collectively responsible for the state of your country.

Does that make you responsible for the "crimes" of the Shah, the Republican Guard, the ayatollahs, and Ahmadinejad?

You used to have the most educated country in the ME. Now you're the gutter of the middle east.

Well, it is difficult to keep the riff-raff out. When did you move to Iraq?

You have no right to make any sort of judjement (sic) about anyone or anything as you clearly suck at doing so.

You speak from the ivory tower of youthful ignorance.

I know your life as an Iraqi soldier centers around Iran, but trust me grandpa, you don't wanna spend the rest of your life with this Iran obsession. It's over, we won, you lost.

My life as an Iraqi soldier centered around remaining alive, nothing more. You are the one who seems to be obsessed to a degree that you have forgotten to respect your elders and those who know more than you, both of which describe me. As for your "...we won, you lost." I hardly think that you had anything to do with it.

What we do with Bahrain is none of your business.

I would submit that Bahrain is none of your business.

Have a blessed day!

ܥܕܬܐ ܩܕܝܫܬܐ ܘܫܠܝܚܝܬܐ ܩܬܘܠܝܩܝ ܕܡܕܢܚܐ ܕܐܬܘܪ̈ܝܐ
 
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ANALYSIS: Saudi Arabia’s pre-emptive doctrine —S P Seth

The Saudi monarchy is hardly popular among its majority Sunni citizens. It has been tolerated out of the deep fear of being thrown into some dungeon, without due recourse to proper constitutional processes

After the relative ease of the people’s revolution in Tunisia and Egypt, things are not progressing straightforwardly in North Africa and the Middle East. The people are facing stiff resistance from their despotic rulers, which is not surprising because the march of history is never linear. There will always be twists, turns and setbacks. In Libya, Muammar Gaddafi’s regime is fighting back with great brutality to re-establish control over the eastern part of the country, with Benghazi as its nerve centre. The struggle in Libya appears to have entered a crucial stage, with the US and other western countries still undecided about how best to help the rebels.

In Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, the royal family is trying to deal with the situation by a mix of bribing the people through financial largesse and using a big stick, particularly in the largely Shia populated eastern province, where the unrest is quite widespread and has led to the use of force by the Saudi security establishment. The eastern province is rich in oil, but its people have remained marginalised and discriminated against because of their Shia faith. Until now, they have been kept under tight control as second-class citizens. They have always been restive but, with the new revolutionary ferment enveloping the Middle East, they are now keen to breathe freely under a democratic dispensation.

In Saudi Arabia, therefore, the people’s struggle also has a sectarian tinge, with its Shia population seeking equal opportunities and democratic rule, as well as the freedom to practice their faith with their own mosques and rituals. The Shias constitute about 10 percent of the population, with most concentrated in the oil-rich eastern province. The Saudi ruling class is obsessed with sectarian divisions, particularly because of the perceived Iranian threat. They have been badly shaken by the popular upsurge in Bahrain, which is about 70 percent Shia. Its Sunni ruling dynasty has generally dealt with the Shia majority in a ham-handed and discriminatory way. And when the popular upsurge broke out there, Bahrain’s ruling establishment sought to deal with it through overwhelming force. This only further fuelled resistance, with the rebels demanding a democratic order. The violence of the regime has only intensified.

The situation in Bahrain has become even more explosive with the arrival of troops from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. The rebels have called it “an overt occupation”. Iran has called the move an “occupation” and an “invasion”. The situation is further complicated because Iran has long regarded Bahrain as its territory, though this claim has been dormant for quite some time.

There are two issues here. First, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia are connected by a 25 km causeway reaching into Saudi Arabia’s Shia-majority eastern province, where there have already been protests leading to the use of police force. Riyadh fears that Shia resistance on both sides of the causeway will feed on each other. And with Iran not far away from Bahrain, it will try to subvert Bahrain and the Gulf region. Shia Iran is Saudi Arabia’s ultimate nightmare, and there has been no love lost between the two countries. This was dramatised in the WikiLeaks cables, with the Saudi King urging the US to destroy Iran’s nuclear facilities.

Will Iran fish in troubled regional waters? It does not seem likely. First because Iran’s clerical establishment has enough on its plate as it is, with the opposition in the country mounting its own protests. Secondly, Iran has pretensions of being the leader of the Islamic world. Therefore, any open advocacy of a sectarian Shia cause would detract from its leadership aspirations. Third, any serious intervention by Iran will bring in the US, with its fifth fleet stationed there.

In any case, an overwhelming use of force against rebels, whether in Bahrain and/or Saudi Arabia, will be counterproductive. It is important to realise that, if cornered, only a small section of the rebels can wreck havoc on oil installations and US military bases. And this will have repercussions across the globe.

The Saudi monarchy is hardly popular among its majority Sunni citizens. It has been tolerated out of the deep fear of being thrown into some dungeon, without due recourse to proper constitutional processes. But with revolutionary ferment in the region, its people are prepared to test the waters. There have already been protests by hundreds of family members of those people jailed without charge to demand their release. This would not have happened without the revolutionary ferment in the region. The internet is buzzing with calls for staging rage rallies on the Egyptian model. In other words, people are shedding their fear. And that spells danger for the Saudi royals.

What is the response of the Saudi authorities? Predictably, they announced a $ 36 billion package of subsidies, etc. If the authorities were expecting an enthusiastic response from the citizenry for this gesture, that has certainly not happened. Indeed, the country’s leading intellectuals have reportedly warned that financial gestures, however big, are no substitute for real political reforms. According to Shadi Hamid from the Brookings Doha Centre, “The Saudi regime is learning all the wrong lessons from Egypt and Tunisia.” Because: “The unrest in the region is not fundamentally economic. It is fundamentally about politics.”

Economics certainly play a role. But, as Hamid says, “What the events of the past few months have shown us is that Arabs are looking for freedom, dignity and democracy and if the Saudi leadership cannot see that, then they are in trouble.” Saudi Arabia is a closed political system with all power vested in the ruling dynasty, with its myriad princes and relations. The kingdom has faced for many years an undercurrent of dissatisfaction from its citizens. The dynasty managed to make a partnership of sorts with the clerical establishment by buying its political silence in return for promoting and exporting religious orthodoxy of the Wahabi Islamic tradition with money and political patronage.

But the demographics and rising unemployment among the country’s youth are changing the situation in Saudi Arabia. Almost half the country’s population is reportedly under the age of 18, and 40 percent of the 20-24 year olds are said to be out of work. Many of the young are educated and connected to the world through social media like Facebook, Twitter, etc. With this kind of exposure to the outside world, living under an oppressive regime with near total social and political control is clearly weighing on the people. This is a recipe for disaster sooner or later, especially in the new revolutionary situation.

With such a combustible situation at home, one has to wonder why Saudi Arabia has taken on the mantle of saving Bahrain’s ruling family. Of course, they fear that the toppling of the Bahraini monarchy could have a ripple effect on the Saudi kingdom. This, therefore, looks like the Saudi application of former US President George Bush’s pre-emptive doctrine.

We all know what happened and is happening to Bush’s adventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. Moving Saudi troops into Bahrain does not look like a sensible strategy, and has the potential of plunging the region into an unthinkable disaster of global dimensions.

The writer is a senior journalist and academic based in Sydney, Australia. He can be reached at sushilpseth@yahoo.com.au

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
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Here the original Dagan's words:

Dagan said that more should be done
to foment regime change in Iran, possibly with the support of
student democracy movements, and ethnic groups (e.g., Azeris,
Kurds, Baluchs) opposed to the ruling regime.


http://www.wikileaks.ch/cable/2007/08/07TELAVIV2652.html

Is that your "proof" of Israel supporting terrorism? :rolleyes: He did not even mention any Jundallah.


Israel does not support terrorism unlike Iran.
You give your source but there is another one
JSS is French written Israeli most known source in France
It is not written by Arabs but Jew Israelis
Iran: Qui a tué l'expert atomique ? Qui était cet expert ? | JSS News - Israël - Diplomatie - Géopolitique
you can use google translate if you don't trust me:
On notera que Dagan est l’homme qui a proposé que des organisations comme Jundallah au Baloutchistan soient soutenues par l’Occident
which means:
We'll notice that the Dagan is the man who suggested that organizations like Jundallah should be supported by West
 
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You give your source but there is another one
JSS is French written Israeli most known source in France
It is not written by Arabs but Jew Israelis
Iran: Qui a tué l'expert atomique ? Qui était cet expert ? | JSS News - Israël - Diplomatie - Géopolitique
you can use google translate if you don't trust me:

which means:
We'll notice that the Dagan is the man who suggested that organizations like Jundallah should be supported by West

I brought the original transcript of Dagan's words from wikileaks. You bring some journalist's interpretation. See the difference?

P.S. LOL. I just saw "Debka files" in that article. Debla is well know clown yellow website. Everyone laughts at their sensations on Israeli forums.
 
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