Intrusion and Infiltrations by Chinese Forces Into Indian Territory

[Hindustani78]

Ministry of Defence
05-May, 2015 16:57 IST

Intrusion by Chinese Forces Into Indian Territory

There is no commonly delineated Line of Actual Control (LAC) between India and China. There are areas along the border where India and China have differing perception of LAC. Transgressions occur on account of both sides undertaking patrolling upto their perception of the LAC. Government regularly takes up any violation along the LAC with the Chinese side through established mechanisms including border personnel meetings, flag meetings and Working Mechanism on Consultation and Coordination on India-China Border Affairs wherein they are guided by various agreements between India-China.

Indian territory under the occupation by China in Jammu & Kashmir is approximately 38,000 sq. kms. In addition, under the so-called China-Pakistan ‘Boundary Agreement’ signed between China and Pakistan on 2nd March, 1963, Pakistan illegally ceded approximately 5,180 sq. kms. of Indian territory in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir to China. India and China have appointed Special Representatives to work out the framework for a boundary settlement. The 18th Round of Special Representative Level talk was held in New Delhi on 23-24 March, 2015.

During the visit of Chinese President Xi Jinping in September 2014 to India both sides agreed that peace and tranquillity in the border region constitutes an essential foundation for mutual trust and confidence and for realizing the full potential of our relationship.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar in a written reply to Shri Shanta Ram Naik in Rajya Sabha today.


Ministry of Defence
05-May, 2015 16:55 IST
Infiltrations by Chinese Troops Into Indian Territory

There have been no incident of infiltration by Chinese soldiers into Indian territory during last three years.

There is no commonly delineated Line of Actual Control (LAC) between India and China. There are areas along the border where India and China have differing perception of LAC. Transgressions occur on account of both sides undertaking patrolling upto their perception of the LAC. Due to such difference of perceptions, transgressions have occurred in the general area of Pangong Tso Lake.

Government regularly takes up any violation along the LAC with the Chinese side through established mechanisms including border personnel meetings, flag meetings and Working Mechanism on Consultation and Coordination on India-China Border Affairs wherein they are guided by various agreements between India-China.

During the visit of Chinese President Xi Jinping to India, Prime Minister raised concern over incidents along the border. The two leaders agreed that peace and tranquility in the border region constitutes an essential foundation for mutual trust and confidence and for realizing the full potential of our relationship. It was suggested that clarification of Line of Actual Control would greatly contribute to the efforts to maintain peace and tranquillity.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar in a written reply to Shrimati Sasikala Pushpa in Rajya Sabha today.

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[Optimos Prime IA]

Stop advising the Chinese about imperialist nation's age is over and its not good for China . Think like imperialist nation to defend against imperialist neighbor. Numbers and propaganda is what we need . Show of strength must be underlined . Which we started to do for a while(1 year or so) . Indian people deserves a strong armed force hence increase in budget is a must . 3-5 % for the next 10 years is the way to go. To deal with opposition just tell the nation how congress sat on defense procurement for a decade and move on. All Indians voted for modi for the same purpose . Even thou corruption was one of the reason but Indian people are very cleaver and has good knowledge of problems faced by armed forces. Unless we realize the reality of our neighborhood we can't negotiate as equals . So far good going by new govt . Still a long way to go. Once we enter into this stage our neighbors will have some sense about peace. Never give a doubt about our capabilities. To show of strength we need to play the number game.

 

[Hindustani78]

Stop advising the Chinese about imperialist nation's age is over and its not good for China . Think like imperialist nation to defend against imperialist neighbor. Numbers and propaganda is what we need . Show of strength must be underlined . Which we started to do for a while(1 year or so) . Indian people deserves a strong armed force hence increase in budget is a must . 3-5 % for the next 10 years is the way to go. To deal with opposition just tell the nation how congress sat on defense procurement for a decade and move on. All Indians voted for modi for the same purpose . Even thou corruption was one of the reason but Indian people are very cleaver and has good knowledge of problems faced by armed forces. Unless we realize the reality of our neighborhood we can't negotiate as equals . So far good going by new govt . Still a long way to go. Once we enter into this stage our neighbors will have some sense about peace. Never give a doubt about our capabilities. To show of strength we need to play the number game.

Indian Military is capable to crush any aggressor and we are well prepared to defend our borders. If anyone dare to attack us then be sure that millions of Indians will join the armed forces. we have to increase production of Indian armed systems.

We are having a matured foreign policy and the national security planners are well aware who are our real friends .

 

[axisofevil]

Indian Military is capable to crush any aggressor and we are well prepared to defend our borders. If anyone dare to attack us then be sure that millions of Indians will join the armed forces. we have to increase production of Indian armed systems.

We are having a matured foreign policy and the national security planners are well aware who are our real friends .

I have no doubts Indians will join to fight for the motherland if the situation turns grim. What we need is to plan and develop strategy and actual ability on the ground level. We need to be able to arm these men and women. We cannot think of arming them with INSAS. Learn from Vietnam....

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

I have no doubts Indians will join to fight for the motherland if the situation turns grim. What we need is to plan and develop strategy and actual ability on the ground level. We need to be able to arm these men and women. We cannot think of arming them with INSAS. Learn from Vietnam....

Sound like China is preparing for a full invasion. , yes you really to keep boosting your moral.

 

[axisofevil]

Sound like China is preparing for a full invasion. , yes you really to keep boosting your moral.

Im not referring to China nor am I worried by China LOL. China is a paper dragon. All talk, no bite.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Im not referring to China nor am I worried by China LOL. China is a paper dragon. All talk, no bite.

Indeed China is just a paper dragon, of couse we're pacifist, we just talk no bite

 

[genmirajborgza786]

OK now lets break this LAC ( line of actual control ) into categorizes to try to understand it better

where is the actual LAC ?

what is the Indian perceptions of LAC ?

what is the Chinese perception of LAC ?

is there a "zero line" between India & China in LAC , like the one in the Line of Control between India & Pakistan ?

if so , is the difference on the "zero line " or near the "zero line " say 500 meters or 1 km in & around it ?

what is the accepted defecto limits or norms between India & China at present ?

@Bang Galore @Mike_Brando @indianrabbit @IND151 @Chinese-Dragon

 

[Bang Galore]

OK now lets break this LAC ( line of actual control ) into categorizes to try to understand it better

where is the actual LAC ?

what is the Indian perceptions of LAC ?

what is the Chinese perception of LAC ?

is there a "zero line" between India & China in LAC , like the one in the Line of Control between India & Pakistan ?

if so , is the difference on the "zero line " or near the "zero line " say 500 meters or 1 km in & around it ?

what is the accepted defecto limits or norms between India & China at present ?

@Bang Galore @Mike_Brando @indianrabbit @IND151 @Chinese-Dragon

LoC or Line of control is not just a line as many think, it is a treaty where pretty much the whole area is demarcated. No such thing exists with the Chinese, just the different claims. The distances in the differing perceptions can be substantial with both sides sending patrol teams. The only thing here is that there is no shooting, merely posturing, quite different from the LoC.

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

OK now lets break this LAC ( line of actual control ) into categorizes to try to understand it better

where is the actual LAC ?

what is the Indian perceptions of LAC ?

what is the Chinese perception of LAC ?

is there a "zero line" between India & China in LAC , like the one in the Line of Control between India & Pakistan ?

if so , is the difference on the "zero line " or near the "zero line " say 500 meters or 1 km in & around it ?

what is the accepted defecto limits or norms between India & China at present ?

@Bang Galore @Mike_Brando @indianrabbit @IND151 @Chinese-Dragon

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Situations in Sino-India border due to lack of common perception of LAC - China said India violated LAC 410 times last year and India says China violated LAC 334 times last year -

China says Indian troops intruded into Chinese territory violating LAC 410 times this Year!

 

[genmirajborgza786]

LoC or Line of control is not just a line as many think, it is a treaty where pretty much the whole area is demarcated. No such thing exists with the Chinese, just the different claims. The distances in the differing perceptions can be substantial with both sides sending patrol teams. The only thing here is that there is no shooting, merely posturing, quite different from the LoC.

agreed , LAC is calm unlike LOC & that's why , there has to be some norm with which both the parties works , certain some points , certain hills etc etc , there has to be something , otherwise how on earth does it work ?

 

[Bang Galore]

agreed , LAC is calm unlike LOC & that's why , there has to be some norm with which both the parties works , certain some points , certain hills etc etc , there has to be something , otherwise how on earth does it work ?

It works because there is a relationship outside the border issue that neither side wishes to damage as of now. That is the difference between the relationship between India-China & India-Pakistan where no such relationship exists.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

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Situations in Sino-India border due to lack of common perception of LAC - China said India violated LAC 410 times last year and India says China violated LAC 334 times last year -

China says Indian troops intruded into Chinese territory violating LAC 410 times this Year!

that's better bro much less confusing , so now basically the problem of perceptions are mainly Shamal lungpa , kongka la & dambu guru , if this is so then it can be managed as blue & red lines are interdicting with the September 7th line on these points , basically the media is the spoiler here
this is what i could understand from the Map provided

It works because there is a relationship outside the border issue that neither side wishes to damage as of now. That is the difference between the relationship between India-China & India-Pakistan where no such relationship exists.

yes i agree with you on this & you know it

 

[Optimos Prime IA]

Indian Military is capable to crush any aggressor and we are well prepared to defend our borders. If anyone dare to attack us then be sure that millions of Indians will join the armed forces. we have to increase production of Indian armed systems.

We are having a matured foreign policy and the national security planners are well aware who are our real friends .

That is sure .... Overwhelming support from Indian reserves and general public will be there . No doubt about it .And me one of them who will join IA at times of war. But the point should be reduce the damage caused on IA and increase the effectiveness of our punch can deliver. Chinese will use other neighbors to bleed India at times of war . So this is not about man power but the budget needed for the next 10 years . As of now our 38 billion of the past was not utilized 100% by armed forces . So we must make sure money allotted will be spent every year and more funds for raise even more modern regiments with increased protection.

As far as Tibetan front is concerned like IAF wanted attack choppers India must give missiles for IAF . Not just AA SAM but also strategic Agni series and cruise missilels except Agni 5/6 . Rest all must be used in early stage of war and making sure Airwing/Transportation of our enemy is crippled to paralyze. Make no mistake we only focus on aircraft by missiles can do the same thing. Chinese already follow this route . This has to be our main goal and place missiles all across the country for assured massive retaliation .

 

[Mike_Brando]

OK now lets break this LAC ( line of actual control ) into categorizes to try to understand it better

where is the actual LAC ?

what is the Indian perceptions of LAC ?

what is the Chinese perception of LAC ?

is there a "zero line" between India & China in LAC , like the one in the Line of Control between India & Pakistan ?

if so , is the difference on the "zero line " or near the "zero line " say 500 meters or 1 km in & around it ?

what is the accepted defecto limits or norms between India & China at present ?

@Bang Galore @Mike_Brando @indianrabbit @IND151 @Chinese-Dragon

Sir,i think Chanakya has already provided us with some vital info regarding the L.A.C.So,let me add a few things to that.

The Line of Actual Control (LAC) is a demarcation line that separates Indian-held lands from Chinese-controlled territory.It is the effective border between India and the People's Republic of China (PRC). The LAC is 4,056 km (2520 mi) long and traverses five Indian states: Jammu and Kashmir, Uttarakhand, Himachal,Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh.On the Chinese side, the line traverses the Tibet Autonomous Region. The demarcation existed as the informal cease-fire line between India and China after the 1962 conflict until 1993, when its existence was officially accepted as the 'Line of Actual Control' in a bilateral agreement.However, Chinese scholars claim that the Chinese Prime Minister Zhou Enlai first used the phrase in a letter addressed to Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru dated 24 October 1959

Line of Actual Control - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hope this will help you to clear your doubts.