Interpol - FIA - Altaf Hussain

[BHarwana]

Then again if there is "enough" evidence, then why interpol is asking for more? Perhaps its "enough" because we have been continuously told so. Interpol works with protocols. They can't issue global red warrants based on some confessions. If they do so, people will drag them in courts and governments will stop allowing them to work as international police.

So you are trying to tell me there is no corruption in UK Gov or Interpol and Interpol is 100% true wow.
Grow up man UK Gov is more corrupt than punjab police. If Brats don't listen we need to use off the table options.

 

[SBD-3]

So you are trying to tell me there is no corruption in UK Gov or Interpol and Interpol is 100% true wow.
Grow up man UK Gov is more corrupt than punjab police. If Brats don't listen we need to use off the table options.

Well I am saying that proper evidences be shared with them.Is that too difficult to digest?
Well then PTI stands a better chance in UK than Pakistan.

 

[BHarwana]

Well I am saying that proper evidences be shared with them.Is that too difficult to digest?
Well then PTI stands a better chance in UK than Pakistan.

Sorry man I don't have a political agenda here not interested in PTI or PMLN just want the rat to be put behind bars and about evidence the even UK know he is a criminal and they let him go free after the money laundering case so I have less hope with UK Gov.

 

[SBD-3]

Sorry man I don't have a political agenda here not interested in PTI or PMLN just want the rat to be put behind bars and about evidence the even UK know he is a criminal and they let him go free after the money laundering case so I have less hope with UK Gov.

And law doesn't work on beliefs. You believe in invisible, law requires tangibility, admissibility and unprejudiced evidences

 

[BHarwana]

And law doesn't work on beliefs. You believe in invisible, law require tangibility.

I don't believe in I am stating form past events and experiences. There is nothing in the world as coincidence every thing happens by design.

 

[The Eagle]

Well If even after three years of investigation, all you come up with is only confessional statements then this case deserves such fate. Law doesn't work on emotions or beliefs, it requires proofs, proofs which are unbiased and irrefutable.
Everyone has a right to disagree, he's not even a Pakistani citizen so how can you brand him as a traitor in the first place?You can't bully him because he's not under your control. You can't take extended remands. You don't have anything against him except dismentaling his political party and demonizing him using the media.(Though this habbit of handing out certificates of patriotism is another debate).

He became the British citizen now but was a Pakistani before and also, has been handling the most brutal party of Pakistan MQM. His speeches are good enough to understand as well as to evaluate hence, state was not fool to lodge FIRs against him. There was a reason that he ran from Pakistan that not even going in detail, he is the one that actually put another ethnic based hatred seed in Pakistan by way of chanting slogan of linguistic and ethnic basis. He was on asylum that got the citizenship but still, is responsible for many crimes if not then PMLn should not ban many other Pakistanis Persons on the wish of other people but the same is not solution at all hence, warrants strong diplomacy and foreign offensive strategy the same way other did to us. He is a Pakistani traitor at first and became a British Citizen then after.

I am not naming anyone here that got hit of the same foreign diplomatic policy but there is a lacuna in the case due to incompetence of the officials that couldn't provide all those evidences that may involve many of our cream politicians and who knows people from bureaucracy as well that have been supporting this cancer. There are thousand reasons to cover the incompetence yet there is only one shot needed to deal with such culprits. The logic of citizen or not and so-called technicalities are only good to turn a blind eye from the real matter if one don't want to deal. The guy is responsible for many of things and suffering of people especially in Karachi & Hyderabad hence, he deserve the same suffering.

To go by the same logic, let other non-Pakistani terrorists live the way they do and do not demand anyone. You are merely looking at the bit of an issue which is too low for the level of such matter. Citizenship etc are only technical things but the merit says otherwise though, leaving it the way that he is not a Pakistani, is not a wise thing to say at all.

 

[SBD-3]

He became the British citizen now but was a Pakistani before and also, has been handling the most brutal party of Pakistan MQM. His speeches are good enough to understand as well as to evaluate hence, state was not fool to lodge FIRs against him. There was a reason that he ran from Pakistan that not even going in detail, he is the one that actually put another ethnic based hatred seed in Pakistan by way of chanting slogan of linguistic and ethnic basis. He was on asylum that got the citizenship but still, is responsible for many crimes if not then PMLn should not ban many other Pakistanis Persons on the wish of other people but the same is not solution at all hence, warrants strong diplomacy and foreign offensive strategy the same way other did to us. He is a Pakistani traitor at first and became a British Citizen then after.

I am not naming anyone here that got hit of the same foreign diplomatic policy but there is a lacuna in the case due to incompetence of the officials that couldn't provide all those evidences that may involve many of our cream politicians and who knows people from bureaucracy as well that have been supporting this cancer. There are thousand reasons to cover the incompetence yet there is only one shot needed to deal with such culprits. The logic of citizen or not and so-called technicalities are only good to turn a blind eye from the real matter if one don't want to deal. The guy is responsible for many of things and suffering of people especially in Karachi & Hyderabad hence, he deserve the same suffering.

To go by the same logic, let other non-Pakistani terrorists live the way they do and do not demand anyone. You are merely looking at the bit of an issue which is too low for the level of such matter. Citizenship etc are only technical things but the merit says otherwise though, leaving it the way that he is not a Pakistani, is not a wise thing to say at all.

Again you're mixing up the law with emotion. Speech is no evidence. For example, say you issue death threat someone say Hameed publicly. And Hamid, mysteriously is killed by someone, at most , you can be placed in suspects but not found guilty based on the speech. What makes you a culprit is that the irrefutable forensic evidence of somekind. Appreciate the difference. Foreign office can only do as best as pass on whatever is provided by establishment and interior ministry. They can't create evidences on their own.

 

[BHarwana]

Again you're mixing up the law with emotion. Speech is no evidence. For example, say you issue death threat someone say Hameed publicly. And Hamid, mysteriously is killed by someone, at most , you can be placed in suspects but not found guilty based on the speech. What makes you a culprit is that the irrefutable forensic evidence of somekind. Appreciate the difference. Foreign office can only do as best as pass on whatever is provided by establishment and interior ministry. They can't create evidences on their own.

Sir with due respect the warrants are not generated on the hate speech but on terrorism. The hate speech was the point where Gov ended it's patience, hate speech is not the evidence. The evidence is a room full of weapons recovered from MQM london personals and a huge list of crimes in which Altaf hussain is convicted in. Which include Drug traffic to human traffic to target killing and the list goes on. I am sorry for this argument but we in Pakistan are fed up of this Rat working on Indian agenda and destroying our country so if UK agrees good if they don't we will make them agree there are many cases that can be used like protecting people wanted by UK and so on.

 

[The Eagle]

Again you're mixing up the law with emotion. Speech is no evidence. For example, say you issue death threat someone say Hameed publicly. And Hamid, mysteriously is killed by someone, at most , you can be placed in suspects but not found guilty based on the speech. What makes you a culprit is that the irrefutable forensic evidence of somekind. Appreciate the difference. Foreign office can only do as best as pass on whatever is provided by establishment and interior ministry. They can't create evidences on their own.

Seems emotional to you and purely defending the foreign office that there was a reason I emphasized upon. No need to create evidence but shouldn't shoot it either being novice and ill prepared case. Merely putting everything on establishment is not a plausible explanation but the it is clearly visible how we miserably failed due to ill foreign policy on many fronts but looking at the competence of current elite, indeed Altaf is innocent and is branded a criminal due to personal enmity of Pakistanis. You will be aware that once a case is being remarked as ineffective and weak from the start, then take so many efforts to bring it on par of its genuine affect.

Political office need to let LEAs to do the work as there are thousand of evidences but whenever these cases are turned into political conflict and are deliberately misprinted, how come one expect criminal trial as such. Every arrest is being painted as Siyasi Karkun Giriftar (a political worker arrested) and the irony is, charges are criminal and terrorism like illegal weapons, extortion and killings that we have found a way to push under the carpet. Treat it as emotional from your end while I have my own point of view to look at these things yet, we can move along and to say, let's see.

 

[SBD-3]

Sir with due respect the warrants are not generated on the hate speech but on terrorism. The hate speech was the point where Gov ended it's patience, hate speech is not the evidence. The evidence is a room full of weapons recovered from MQM london personals and a huge list of crimes in which Altaf hussain is convicted in. Which include Drug traffic to human traffic to target killing and the list goes on. I am sorry for this argument but we in Pakistan are fed up of this Rat working on Indian agenda and destroying our country so if UK agrees good if they don't we will make them agree there are many cases that can be used like protecting people wanted by UK and so on.

Exactly my point! you need evidences to link terrorism to AH. The evidence beyond confessional statements. UK's justice system doesn't work neither like Pakistan nor the way Pakistanis want it to work.

Seems emotional to you and purely defending the foreign office that there was a reason I emphasized upon. No need to create evidence but shouldn't shoot it either being novice and ill prepared case. Merely putting everything on establishment is not a plausible explanation but the it is clearly visible how we miserably failed due to ill foreign policy on many fronts but looking at the competence of current elite, indeed Altaf is innocent and is branded a criminal due to personal enmity of Pakistanis. You will be aware that once a case is being remarked as ineffective and weak from the start, then take so many efforts to bring it on par of its genuine affect.

Political office need to let LEAs to do the work as there are thousand of evidences but whenever these cases are turned into political conflict and are deliberately misprinted, how come one expect criminal trial as such. Every arrest is being painted as Siyasi Karkun Giriftar (a political worker arrested) and the irony is, charges are criminal and terrorism like illegal weapons, extortion and killings that we have found a way to push under the carpet. Treat it as emotional from your end while I have my own point of view to look at these things yet, we can move along and to say, let's see.

If defining someone's role is called defending , I am amazed. FO is a messenger and the FO can only do garbage in garbage out thing. If you want FO guys to conquer the world with a needle, you need to be pretty dilusional and unrealistically optimistic.

 

[BHarwana]

Exactly my point! you need evidences to link terrorism to AH. The evidence beyond confessional statements. UK's justice system doesn't work neither like Pakistan nor the way Pakistanis want it to work.

Sir that is my point that UK will reject that evidence as well. Altaf hussain is an asset for UK and they will protect their asset. Altaf hussain can provide UK MI6 with agents and RAW with Agent from a few followers that he is left with. So this is not about evidence this is about the control and hold.

 

[The Eagle]

If defining someone's role is called defending , I am amazed. FO is a messenger and the FO can only do garbage in garbage out thing. If you want FO guys to conquer the world with a needle, you need to be pretty dilusional and unrealistically optimistic.

Yes, while at the competency of Foreign Minister, it should have been a mountain of evidence to go on foreign diplomacy. It is the job to take it like rock and go out there same as like what NS friend is doing every other day against Pakistan even without a needle. The Kings have to be served with everything and they only have to do the action. Oh, by the way, if evidence wasn't enough then shouldn't have moved the case either to avoid such fire back.

 

[SBD-3]

Yes, while at the competency of Foreign Minister, it should have been a mountain of evidence to go on foreign diplomacy. It is the job to take it like rock and go out there same as like what NS friend is doing every other day against Pakistan even without a needle. The Kings have to be served with everything and they only have to do the action. Oh, by the way, if evidence wasn't enough then shouldn't have moved the case either to avoid such fire back.

Ideally yes, if we don't have sound evidences, we shouldn't have moved on the case. A good chance was when British Authorities asked for the two key suspects of Imran Farooq murder case. But they were never handed over to British maybe because our authorities feared that they would change their statements and would be free by the British courts alongside AH. So Our Authorities insisted on recording their statements in Pakistan (which didn't help with the case either). If there was anything other than just statements perhaps you can tell me. Our establishment played safe, little too safe.
And BTW here's something fresh about how world sees us and the reasons are clearly not political in anyway.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/anders...ion-pakistan-as-a-state-sponsor-of-terrorism/

 

[RescueRanger]

This bugger has lived a long life, damn rascal outlived all my childhood movie and TV heroes .

That said, justice delayed is justice denied. At least we are closer to having Karachi back. Which is more than what we could say back in 2011.

And BTW here's something fresh about how world sees us and the reasons are clearly not political in anyway.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/anders...ion-pakistan-as-a-state-sponsor-of-terrorism/

Pray tell, how exactly is this fresh or relevant to the topic of AH?