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Basically you want to deny the holocaust.....
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There is no denial in my post. I am writing about many forms of holocausts that the jews went thru at different times at the hands of the catholic church.
 
Hi,

The problem is with burning in the furnaces---when you read the stories---it seems like massive humungous furnacse that you see in the pictures of hell---where people are being thrown in and and by the time they reach down---they are already ash.

Well these furnaces could hardly burn two people in a whole day----and then the burnt up pieces would have to be taken out and bones smashed to smaller pieces---numerically not possible to dispose of 100 bodies in one day.

I don't want to go further than this right now.

I haven't used the word furnace or crematorium anywhere.
Are you defending that person with the extremely limited historical knowledge?

Meanwhile, how would you know how long it would take to burn emaciated corpses, as compared to 'normal' dead? And how would you know anything about 'these furnaces'. You are just stating something, no references, no sources, nothing.

Read up: A SHORT HISTORY ON THE USE OF CREMATORIA IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS


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Auschwitz Birkenau, Poland, 1942, The ovens in Crematorium III

(This camp had 5 such crematoria, each with 15 ovens. So even if each oven could only burn 2 people a day, as you suggest, it would make for 150 corpses a day every day in the main camp alone, or about 55000 people per year. And if you read the link, you will find that main camps had satelite camps, which also used cremation as a method to dispose of bodies.

Now, if you had 10 similar large camps, that means about 550,000 per year . Crematoria like these were first installed 1940 and used through 1944. Lets say only the last year at full capacity: 550,000+450,000+350,000+250,000+150,000 = 1,750,000, not counting whatever happened in suibcamps, or mass killings and burning of corpses in the field....

just with your 2 corpses per day.

Adds up quickly, don't it?)

Death counts extermination camps (not the only camps, not the only places jews were systematically killed):
 
People don't understand that human body does not burn like firewood and neither it melts like metal. A fresh dead body releases a lots of water when burnt----and the furnaces that have supposed to burn them were not big enough to burn more than 2 bodies at a time---even though claim was of 4 bodies at one time---well that would have released enough water for the furnace to extinguish or not perform at its best---and there was not enough heat to turn the bones to ashes---supposedly the bones need to be smashed by hammers into litte pieces and then disposed----.
For the test, ask the morons who believe in concentration camp stories to burn a goat in their backyard. Ask them to figure out how long will it take to reduce it to ashes and how much energy will be required for this process?

Germans had no better use of their energy but to reduce supposedly million Jews in the furnesses?

Germans were at war, their industry was under immense pressure to churn out massive amounts of military hardware, and instead of using all available resources/energy for military hardware production, they were utilizing resources in vaporizing Jews.

Running crematoriums at full capapcity in the last year i.e. 1944... By 3rd week of January 1944, Royal Air Force had dropped 2,300 tons of bombs on Berlin alone - such was the pressure on Germany. They had no better things to do with their energy resources but to run crematorium at their full capacity?

Idiocy at its hight.
 
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Note: Even if you half my number of camps in the example, the statement "the furnaces that have supposed to burn them were not big enough to burn more than 2 bodies at a time" just doubled the capacity of each oven.

For the test, ask the morons who believe in concentration camp stories to burn a goat in their backyard. Ask them to figure out how long will it take to reduce it to ashes and how much energy will be required for this process?

Germans had no better use of their energy but to reduce supposedly million Jews in the furnesses?

Germans were at war, their industry was under immense pressure to churn out massive amounts of military hardware, and instead of using all available resources/energy in military hardware production, they were utilizing resources in vaporizing Jews.

Idiocy at its hight.
Hard to believe, but that is exactly what they did.

They worked and starved millions to death, not just jews incidentally, so they had to deal with the corpses (aside from those on the battle field, and those from bombardment at home). I think they quickly needed to turn to Industrial style disposal with the camps: buried death where literally stinking up the place. And so they dug them up and burned them. And tried ways 'to work more efficiently'.
 
Note: Even if you half my number of camps in the example, the statement "the furnaces that have supposed to burn them were not big enough to burn more than 2 bodies at a time" just doubled the capacity of each oven.


Hard to believe, but that is exactly what they did.

They worked and starved millions to death, not just jews incidentally, so they had to deal with the corpses (aside from those on the battle field, and those from bombardment at home). I think they quickly needed to turn to Industrial style disposal with the camps: buried death where literally stinking up the place. And so they dug them up and burned them. And tried ways 'to work more efficiently'.
Burning corpses is energy inefficient process compared to digging trenches/mass graves and dumping bodies. Germans proved downright stupid on many fronts but they were not as stupid as they are portrayed in the Hollywood propaganda movies.
 
Running crematoriums at full capapcity in the last year i.e. 1944... By 3rd week of January 1944, Royal Air Force had dropped 2,300 tons of bombs on Berlin alone - such was the pressure on Germany. They had no better things to do with their energy resources but to run crematorium at their full capacity?

Idiocy at its hight.


Deal with it.

On Hitler's behalf, Himmler formed the Einsatzgruppen and built extermination camps. As facilitator and overseer of the concentration camps, Himmler directed the killing of some six million Jews, between 200,000 and 500,000 Romani people, and other victims; the total number of civilians killed by the regime is estimated at eleven to fourteen million people. Most of them were Polish and Soviet citizens.
Extermination camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The corpses were burned in the nearby incinerators, and the ashes were buried, thrown in the river, or used as fertilizer. With the Soviet Red Army approaching through Poland, the last mass gassing at Auschwitz took place on 30 October 1944. In November 1944, Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler, head of the SS, ordered gassing operations to cease across the Reich.
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The Nazis attempted to either partly or completely dismantle the extermination camps in order to hide any evidence that people had been murdered. This was an attempt to conceal not only the extermination process but also the buried remains. As a result of the secretive Sonderaktion 1005, camps were dismantled by commandos of condemned prisoners, records destroyed, and mass graves were dug up.
The Sonderaktion 1005 (English: Special Action 1005), also called Aktion 1005, or Enterdungsaktion (English: Exhumation Action) began in May 1942 during World War II to hide any evidence that people had been murdered by Nazi Germany in Aktion Reinhard in occupied Poland. The operation, which was conducted in strict secrecy from 1942–1944, used prisoners to exhume mass graves and burn the bodies. These work groups were officially called Leichenkommandos ("corpse units") and were all part of Sonderkommando 1005; inmates were often put in chains in order to prevent escape.
In May 1943 the operation moved into occupied territories in Eastern Europe to destroy evidence of the Holocaust. Sonderaktion 1005 was used to conceal the evidence of massacres committed by SS-Einsatzgruppen Nazi death squads that had massacred hundreds of thousands of mostly Jews, as well as Roma and local civilians in Eastern Europe. The Aktion was overseen by selected squads from the Sicherheitsdienst and Ordnungspolizei.
Sonderaktion 1005 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Well these furnaces could hardly burn two people in a whole day----and then the burnt up pieces would have to be taken out and bones smashed to smaller pieces---numerically not possible to dispose of 100 bodies in one day.

In the coke-heated T double muffle incinerator, 10 to 35 bodies can be incinerated in about 10 hours. The quantity mentioned above can be incinerated daily without any problem, without overworking the oven. It is not harmful to operate the incinerator day and night if, required, since the fireclay [resistant walls] lasts longer when an even temperature is maintained. [130]

Czech, Auschwitz Chronicle, 71-72. Text of the original German in Reimund Schnabel, Macht Ohne Moral (Frankfurt :1957), 346.
 
Another Hasbara troll thread. Please read this book on this controversial subject. Its written by a world renowned American Jewish author Norman Gary Finkelstein:
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The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering, New Edition 2nd Edition: Norman G. Finkelstein: 9781859844885: Amazon.com: Books

As usual Holocash activists tried to use good old anti-semitism and holocaust-denial card on him as well, while failing miserably as Finkelstein is not only Jewish from both mother and father side, most of his own family died in Holocaust:

Norman Finkelstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anyway; Jews, Israelis and other pro-Israel, pro-Jew Christian Zionists are free to use above cliche cards on me :D

@Derolo @Archdemon @Natan @500 @MarkovChain @Solomon2 @F-15I @Cohen1984 @Hasbara Buster
How comes when Christians commit atrocities like killing 6 million Jews, there religion is not mentioned? Why just Nazis? Why not Christian Nazis? You do it to the Muslims all the time, but hide your religion why it comes to crimes against humanity?
 
Gambit,

Thank you for your post----it did happen but not in the numbers claimed.
First, you would cast doubts on the efficacy of the ovens, never mind that the Holocaust was never about just the ovens and the gas chambers. Then you would doubt on the figures involved in the gas chambers and the ovens. Then you would cast doubts on how many Jews and other 'inferior' minorities were shot. Then you would cast doubts on the marksmanship of the German soldiers. Then you would cast doubts on the manufacturing capabilities of the bullets. And so on and on...

If you doubt the Holocaust based on logic and science, then by your own standards -- leave Islam.
 
Himmler was a good friend to Bose and used to carry the Hindu holy book the Gita with him :eek: but the twisted Nazis corrupted our Hindu holy Swastika.
 
With every beat of my heart I remember the suffering of the six trillion of God's chosen people lost to the Nazis. Not a moment goes by that I forget
 
I'll start this one off. The following report shows Pakistanis are taught little or nothing about it: Pakistan is rated, "context only" - Pakistan's curricula includes the Nazis or WWII but nothing specifically about the Holocaust.

How the world teaches the Holocaust - or ignores it
Research comparing high school textbooks in 139 countries and territories shows that just 57 countries describe Holocaust directly.

By Haaretz | Jan. 27, 2015 |

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Mentions of the Holocaust in high school textbooks in [Europe]. Screenshot from Georg Eckert Institute's report, 'The international status of education about the Holocaust.'

High school textbooks in China apply the language and imagery of the Holocaust to Japan's Nanjing massacres of 1937, while Japanese textbooks use similar language to depict the devastation caused by atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the end of World War II, according to a recent study comparing the way textbooks in 139 countries and territories teach the Holocaust – or ignore it.

Twenty-eight countries make no reference to the Holocaust in their curricula, including Western countries like New Zealand and Iceland as well as Bolivia, Thailand and Muslim areas including the Palestinian territories, Egypt and Iraq, the study found. In some of these countries, curricula do not stipulate specific content for history education.

The research, conducted by Germany's Georg Eckert Institute for International Textbook Research and published by the UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, was released ahead of International Holocaust Remembrance Day on Tuesday, which commemorates the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau.

The study found that the curricula in countries like China and India show that historians "'tragedize' their own pasts by conspicuously re-contextualizing vocabulary customarily used to describe the Holocaust, including 'terrible massacres,' 'killings,' 'mass murders,' 'atrocities' and 'extermination,'" writesEckhardt Fuchs, the deputy director of the Georg Eckert Institute.

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Another country that uses typical Holocaust terminology to describe local atrocities is Rwanda, in textbook descriptions of the genocide of 1994. In India, references to the Holocaust vary widely, depending on the political context in which the textbooks were published.

For instance, a textbook published when the federal government was under the control of the Left Front, an alliance of leftist parties, associates Germany's territorial expansion with European colonialism in Asia, while one that reveals sympathies with the nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party and its attempts to establish an undivided India through militarization, industrialization and the "sons of the land" – ideals that echo those of the Nazis – doesn't mention the Holocaust at all.

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The textbooks in 57 countries, including the United States, Canada, Brazil, Germany, Poland, France and Turkey, describe the Holocaust directly, using the words "Holocaust" or "Shoah."

Fifty-four countries, including Norway, Algeria and Peru, provide only the context in which the Holocaust may be taught (for instance, by referring to World War II or National Socialism) or address the Holocaust only to achieve an educational objective that is not specifically related to the Holocaust, as Mexico, Colombia and Argentina do.

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Why Teach about the Holocaust?

Because the objective of teaching any subject is to engage the intellectual curiosity of students in order to inspire critical thought and personal growth, it is helpful to structure your lesson plan on the Holocaust by keeping questions of rationale, or purpose, in mind. Teachers rarely have enough time to teach these complicated topics, though they may be required to do so by state standards. Lessons must be developed and difficult content choices must be made.

A well-thought-out rationale helps with these difficult curricular decisions. In addition, people within and outside the school community may question the use of valuable classroom time to study the Holocaust. Again, a well-formed rationale will help address these questions and concerns. Before deciding what and how to teach, we recommend that you think about why you are teaching this history.

Here are three key questions to consider:

  • Why should students learn this history?
  • What are the most significant lessons students should learn from studying the Holocaust?
  • Why is a particular reading, image, document, or film an appropriate medium for conveying the topics that you wish to teach?
The Holocaust provides one of the most effective subjects for examining basic moral issues. A structured inquiry into this history yields critical lessons for an investigation into human behavior. It also addresses one of the central mandates of education in the United States, which is to examine what it means to be a responsible citizen.

By studying these topics, students come to realize that:

  • Democratic institutions and values are not automatically sustained, but need to be appreciated, nurtured, and protected.
  • Silence and indifference to the suffering of others, or to the infringement of civil rights in any society, can—however unintentionally—perpetuate these problems.
  • The Holocaust was not an accident in history; it occurred because individuals, organizations, and governments made choices that not only legalized discrimination but also allowed prejudice, hatred, and ultimately mass murder to occur.
  • The Holocaust was a watershed event, not only in the 20th century but also in the entire course of human history.
Studying the Holocaust also helps students to:

  • Understand the roots and ramifications of prejudice, racism, and stereotyping in any society.
  • Develop an awareness of the value of pluralism and an acceptance of diversity.
  • Explore the dangers of remaining silent, apathetic, and indifferent to the oppression of others.
  • Think about the use and abuse of power as well as the roles and responsibilities of individuals, organizations, and nations when confronted with civil rights violations and/or policies of genocide.
  • Understand how a modern nation can utilize its technological expertise and bureaucratic infrastructure to implement destructive policies ranging from social engineering to genocide.
As students gain insight into the many historical, social, religious, political, and economic factors that cumulatively resulted in the Holocaust, they gain awareness of the complexity of the subject and a perspective on how a convergence of factors can contribute to the disintegration of democratic values. Students come to understand that it is the responsibility of citizens in any society to learn to identify danger signals and to know when to react.

When you as an educator take the time to consider the rationale for your lessons on the Holocaust, you will be more likely to select content that speaks to your students’ interests and provides them with a clearer understanding of a complex history. Most students demonstrate a high level of interest in studying this history precisely because the subject raises questions of fairness, justice, individual identity, peer pressure, conformity, indifference, and obedience—issues that adolescents confront in their daily lives. Students are also affected by and challenged to comprehend the magnitude of the Holocaust; they are often particularly struck by the fact that so many people allowed this genocide to occur by failing either to resist or to protest.

Educators should avoid tailoring their Holocaust course or lesson in any way to the particular makeup of their student population. Failing to contextualize the groups targeted by the Nazis as well as the actions of those who resisted can result in the misunderstanding or trivializing of this history. Relevant connections for all learners often surface as the history is analyzed.


How much do those zionazi bastards pay you for singing this old tune? Or are you their propaganda minister? It certainly looks that way. You're doing a fine job, boy!
 
First, you would cast doubts on the efficacy of the ovens, never mind that the Holocaust was never about just the ovens and the gas chambers. Then you would doubt on the figures involved in the gas chambers and the ovens. Then you would cast doubts on how many Jews and other 'inferior' minorities were shot. Then you would cast doubts on the marksmanship of the German soldiers. Then you would cast doubts on the manufacturing capabilities of the bullets. And so on and on...

If you doubt the Holocaust based on logic and science, then by your own standards -- leave Islam.

Gambit,.

I salute your brilliant analogy---.
 
Himmler was a good friend to Bose and used to carry the Hindu holy book the Gita with him :eek: but the twisted Nazis corrupted our Hindu holy Swastika.

Don't worry, now your 'holy swastika' is in the hands of your zionazi friends.
 
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