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Interesting Analysis of the Doklam Standoff

LoL so much for a Chinese blogger :pleasantry:

:omghaha::omghaha::omghaha: missile and large amount of trucks :sarcastic: LoL... i remember the poor chinese members were posting th epictures from North korean border and pretended it to be Tibet..

Wow.. Dear blogger you forgot to mentioned the Circuses the Chinese Media and few of their mouth pieces did...
it was so funny even the Pakistanis lost the interest after 5 days:omghaha:

Wrong!... India won because they have this guy on their side... China better be scared...


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That major general is out of touch, if China want to avoid war it could have left the area months ago. But the government told the soldiers to stay and confront the Indian troops. Seems like Indian media has distorted information again.
 
Read carefully what Serving Chinese Major Gen says about the road construction at Doklam which was India's prime objection and shut your freaking pie holes .


http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1066076.shtml
Bhai, I have a full length analysis on this, you want me to post? It's not just about a road ok, think of it this way:

1) Roads till Gyomochi (reaches trijunction) with occasional patrol OR
2) Roads till Doka La (covering whole Doklam plateau) with permanent troops?

India chose number 2, genius indeed. :rofl:
 
Until the road is built, India will not accept defeat. Time is the only determination.

I have a very good idea of what exactly is going on but until that road is built, I cannot say for certain as nobody can.
 
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During the entire event, India, in spite of claim by Sushma Swaraj that "all countries are with us", failed to get a single country to endorse its position. The U.S. did not side with India. Japan, after stating that both sides should return to the status quo, was pounded by the Chinese. After that, it quickly clarified that it was not taking the side of India. Even the traditional allies of India, like Nepal and Bhutan, have not publicly sided with India

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India always playing 'the world is with us card' yet no one in the world gives a rats @ss about a 3rd world country like india with its highest population of poor people anywhere in the world.
 
During the entire event, India, in spite of claim by Sushma Swaraj that "all countries are with us", failed to get a single country to endorse its position. The U.S. did not side with India. Japan, after stating that both sides should return to the status quo, was pounded by the Chinese. After that, it quickly clarified that it was not taking the side of India. Even the traditional allies of India, like Nepal and Bhutan, have not publicly sided with India

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India always playing 'the world is with us card' yet no one in the world gives a rats @ss about a 3rd world country like india with its highest population of poor people anywhere in the world.
Even Bhutan unofficially recognized Chinese claim. India was well aware of this....they knew legally, they had no right to enter Doklam. Well, for bad or good, we are now stationed there.
 
Japan is another joke indeed, first trying to voice support for India (probably the only one) but China banged the Japs so hard that they quickly lowered their voices.
 
Wangcha Sangey: An authoritarian India tends to be overbearing upon her neighbours.

2017.08.11

Many wise words were spoken by late Lyonpo Dawa Tsering. His Excellency was the Foreign Minister of Bhutan for nearly three decades. A learned leader who encompassed qualities of much intelligence and stately adroitness. I particularly recall his explanatory submission as Foreign Minister to the honourable members of the National Assembly of Bhutan who were perplexed and frustrated by many unfriendly acts of the Government of India under Emergency Rule (1975 to 1977). His Excellency said that when an authoritarian Government is in power, that nation also tends to adopt an overbearing attitude towards the weaker neighbours. Bhutan must exercise political skill and fortitude. How so very true! May His Excellency rest in Peace.

Fortunately, by the infinite Grace of our Deities, the leadership our Great 4th King His Majesty Jigme Singye Wangchuck and wise counsels, Bhutan warded off the fate that befell upon Sikkim just before Emergency rule in India. It was closer than a dangerous state of affairs. I think His Majesty King Jigme Khesar Namgyal Wangchuk had an apt description of that state in the 1970s during the public constitutional consultations in 2007. The King put it as, "like a leaf tossing on a swollen river". His Majesty who was not born then, must have learned of the crisis of the 1970s from his illustrious father.

India is once again ready to flex her national muscle in the region. And each time that happens, the testing guinea pig is Bhutan. This is what happened at Doklam. The NDA (National Democratic Alliance) Government headed by BJP is at its zenith of power in India. The Indian Prime Minister His Excellency Narendra Modi is sweeping the whole of India under his charismatic personality backed by the Merlin type of political wizard Shri Amit Shah. The combination of the two is recording astonishing political history in India. To the historians later, it might be a period of dusk black or dust gold.

This time India decided Doklam as a pretext to declare Bhutan a "Protectorate state" and attempted to establish complete hegemony over our Kingdom. China was not the ultimate objective of Indian military adventurism at Doklam. It was Bhutan. Fortunately, China stood firmly against Bhutan being converted into solely an Indian buffer cushion and protectorate state. Thus when so definitely and decisively confronted by China, India had to decide to withdraw and await perhaps another favourable day to overwhelm Bhutan.

In public domain, Bhutan stood stoically silent this time. The behind the scene had to be rather frenzy. Our Kings (both the Majestic Son and the Father) had to be engaged in some feverish survival diplomacy whilst our Monastic institutions were in deep Prayers. The two Royal and Spiritual Institutions together are responsible for peace, happiness and security of Bhutan and her people. The democratic Government main task is to implement successfully the Five-year development plans and ensure economic prosperity and fair governance.

The Indian Army withdrawal has to be done in an acceptable public drama so as to freeze verbal attacks by the Oppositions in the Indian Parliament. So Indian Army plans to withdraw on the basis of Bhutan Army taking over their role. But on the ground, it is not possible for Bhutan Army to replace transgressing Indian troops on Chinese controlled Doklam. Further, to even theoretically agree, is placing Bhutanese sovereignty in grave future danger. As that will make it appear that India secured an area at Doklam for Bhutan. An act of what India claims protecting Bhutanese territory from China.

My humble advice to India is to withdraw and acclaim publicly that Bhutanese Army is taking over the role. And Bhutan continue her public silence. China would be happy with the retreat. And no one is going to be wiser at the ground level. Remote Doklam is away from prying eyes. It is two days hard trek through mountain ravines from the motorable road point on Bhutan side. In hindsight, if only China so generously continued the road extension into our land for our use.

The true political picture is that Bhutanese land is not needed to be protected by a third power and India winds up her adventurism of the century. This time, Bhutan retains her status quo of a sovereign Kingdom. May the people of Bhutan, China and India be blessed with compassionate and sensible leaders though not necessarily in alphabetical order as I try to maintain fairness.

Many years after Emergency Rule in India, when Her Excellency Indra Gandhi was shot down by her security guard, an Indian Army General was supposed to have exclaimed, "how bloody lucky for Bhutan". So it's possible that such scheming Indian leaders do not give up easily upon clutching Bhutan in their claws. Still I do not wish them the fate of India Indra. But for Bhutan, I pray that the our omniscient powerful Deities keep under the radar of their thunder bolts those who pose danger upon the "Land of Pelden Drukpa."

Pelden Drukpai Lha Gyel Lo !

http://wangchasangey.blogspot.com/2017/08/an-authoritarian-india-tends-to-be.html
 
Indian posturing, post-Doklam, has a tragi-comic feel

By M.K. BHADRAKUMAR | SEPTEMBER 6, 2017 10:41 AM (UTC+8)

Why the standoff between India and China, near the Sikkim border, began at all, and how it ended, after 71 long and anxious days, on August 28, will likely never be fully known. The Indian foreign ministry maintains cryptically that “following diplomatic communications, expeditious disengagement of border personnel of India and China at the face-off site at Doklam,” took place last week.

New Delhi falls far short of making any claims about an agreement or understanding with Beijing regarding mutual withdrawal – leave alone about China stopping its road-building activities, which led to the standoff in the first instance.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry has been more forthcoming. It put on record that: As a result of diplomatic representations and “effective countermeasures” at the military level, the Indian side “withdrew” all its personnel and equipment.

• As a result of diplomatic representations and “effective countermeasures” at the military level, the Indian side “withdrew” all its personnel and equipment.

• The Chinese personnel “onsite have verified” the fact of Indian withdrawal.

• The Chinese troops “continue with their patrolling and stationing” in the Doklam area.

• China will “adjust and deploy its military resources” in the area to meet the needs of guarding the border.

• China has long been undertaking road-building in the area and will in future “make proper building plans in light of the actual situation,” taking into account weather conditions.

New Delhi hasn’t disagreed with China’s contentions. Instead, a series of unattributed, self-serving media leaks have appeared, portraying Indian officials as strong-willed men who stared the Chinese down. This is rather tragi-comic, given the geopolitical reality that the standoff is sure to be a watershed event in India-China relations and regional politics. The Chinese Defense Ministry warned New Delhi to learn its “lesson” from the standoff.

On balance, it appears that India won’t admit its unilateral withdrawal from Doklam, while the Chinese side is disinterested in triumphalism.

Clearly, with the brief summer season about to end in the region’s tangled mountains, India has managed to stall any road-building activity by China during this calendar year.

But the nagging question remains: What prompted India to unilaterally withdraw? To quote a prominent China expert in New Delhi, “In the face of mounting Chinese psychological pressure on asymmetries, combined with coercive diplomacy and deployment of lethal equipment, the Indian announcement of ‘disengagement’ at Doklam comes as no surprise.”

There had been reports – backed by video and photographic evidence –of China moving trainloads of advanced HQ-16 and HQ-17 missiles and other military equipment to Tibet. China was reinforcing its layered air defense systems to counter Indian air power, hinting at serious preparations for a military offensive.

Equally, two other critical factors would have influenced Indian thinking. One, India’s economic growth slowed to around 5.7% between April and June, the slowest quarterly rate in the three years of the present government. A war with China would cripple the economy. Secondly, no country voiced support for India, let alone criticized China. The North Korean issue preoccupied both Washington and Tokyo.

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Chinese and Indian patrols at the Doklam Plateau. Photo: AFP

In retrospect, China showed that on issues of territorial sovereignty, there is no question of a compromise. But something may also have changed fundamentally in its attitude toward India. Harsh things have been said, betraying displeasure and anger, and a breakdown in trust and confidence.

A bumpy road lies ahead. Simply put, India is unable to come to terms with China’s rise, and the latter senses that it must now be on guard. Conceivably, Chinese diplomacy in the South Asian region may shift to adversarial mode. With tacit Chinese support, countries such as Nepal, Sri Lanka or the Maldives may be in a better position to withstand India’s overbearing presence.

India’s future relations with Bhutan, the friend on whose behalf it stuck out its neck but which kept a Delphian silence, are almost certain to become more delicate. Prof. Taylor Fravel of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who is regarded as an authority on China’s borders, wrote last week that China might well revisit its road-building plans in the disputed territory with Bhutan. To quote Fravel,

“Before the standoff in June, China’s permanent presence in the area had been quite limited. China had maintained a road in the area for several decades, but did not garrison any forces. In contrast, India has maintained and developed a forward post at Doka La adjacent to Doklam… China may well seek to rectify this tactical imbalance of forces. In fact, the Chinese spokesperson suggested a move in this direction… If China does this, it would likely build facilities farther away from India’s position at Doka La, making it more challenging for India to intervene and block China next time… India may be faced with the uncomfortable choice of deciding whether to risk much more to deny China a greater presence farther inside Doklam or to accept it.”

The real lesson, therefore, that India should learn from the Doklam standoff is that it shouldn’t draw wrong conclusions. The BRICS Summit in Xiamen is not to be mistaken as a “kiss-and-make-up” moment.

Deep down, India has a choice to make and China is watching closely. Should the Modi government go further down the road of trespassing into China’s core interests in the South China Sea, raking up Tibet-related issues and identifying with the United States’ containment strategy against China?

Such a journey risks military confrontation with China. How far is India prepared to take that risk? The Modi government’s accent could have been on diplomacy in the crucial three-week period after the Chinese notified New Delhi, in late May, of their intention to commence road-building work at Doklam. But instead of activating its diplomatic levers, India resorted to force, confident in the knowledge that in that particular sector of the border it is strongly placed.

The dismal picture that has emerged over the past week is of the Indian officials responsible for that fateful decision counting trees and trying to convince domestic opinion that India “won” and China “lost”. The great danger is that their core constituency of ultra-nationalists will – to take the sports analogy further – now expect them to raise the bar.

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M.K. Bhadrakumar

M.K. Bhadrakumar served as a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service for over 29 years, with postings including India’s ambassador to Uzbekistan (1995-1998) and to Turkey (1998-2001). He writes the “Indian Punchline” blog and has written regularly for the Asia Times since 2001.

http://www.atimes.com/indian-posturing-post-doklam-tragi-comic-feel/
 
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