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Intel to install second production line at Vietnam factory: CEO

@FairAndUnbiased : Where do I say that Vietnam to install second production line, I said Intel ...
So it's so shame on your attempt to derail the topic by parallel facts which never meet.

Intel could decide by themselves they would build their assembly, testing or Fab anywhere on earth, including Vietnam.

No technology, other than manual labor intensive packaging and testing, is taught to Vietnamese. All intellectual property and profits belong to Intel.

You said you have some knowledge, but you said that.
You want to test a microchip by your eyes or hands ?
 
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Hey check on page 1, I think you've been called a naysayer.

He's definitely not referring to me. I'm a yes man.

Chinese member act is predictable. the second post predict that correctly.
 
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Take a chill pill.

The phrase 'semiconductor manufacturing' is broadly used to include even off wafer processes such as assembly and testing, not just device construction. :rolleyes:

I am just clarifying to Vietnamese members here who may be misinformed as to the activities of Intel in Vietnam.
 
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I am just clarifying to Vietnamese members here who may be misinformed as to the activities of Intel in Vietnam.
You were not 'clarifying' anything but a feeble attempt at put down. Makes me wonder if you actually know anything about semicon manufacturing since I have been in the industry for nearly 20 yrs and that includes training mainland Chinese engineers and technicians in Shanghai -- about backend testing and assembly. We never denied the Chinese credit back then. :rolleyes:
 
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You were not 'clarifying' anything but a feeble attempt at put down. Makes me wonder if you actually know anything about semicon manufacturing since I have been in the industry for nearly 20 yrs and that includes training mainland Chinese engineers and technicians in Shanghai -- about backend testing and assembly. We never denied the Chinese credit back then. :rolleyes:

Where are you now, gambit, Cali? can you tell us more on Intel activities in Vietnam mean ?
 
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Where are you now, gambit, Cali? can you tell us more on Intel activities in Vietnam mean ?
I shuffle between CA, ID, and UT.

As far as Intel Viet Nam goes on what this, this is a positive move for both parties. Viet Nam needed to break away from the failed economic policies of the communists and Intel needed low labor cost. But there is a reason why VN will be doing a lot of backend (BE) processes and it is the same issues that mainland China faces when China began entering the semicon industry -- clean electricity.

BE processes are not as sensitive to electrical power fluctuations as device construction during wafer processing. BE processes are extractions from the wafer according to a map, encapsulation, assembly into a final package form, then testing. Any electrical supply fluctuation and the machines doing those processes will stop but no real harm done to the device, be it a CPU or a memory device.

The only real risk is when the chip is under electrical reliability stress testing, which is when the chip is under high voltage/ampere/temperature designed to simulate time and wear. Some of these tests are actually physically destructive at the device construct level and the chips are sampled testing, not actually all of them are stressed. The data is then extrapolated to mean so-and-so chip, CPU or memory, to last so-and-so yrs under so-and-so environmental conditions. Some of the samples may be sent to a separate facility to test for even more extreme demands for customers such as NASA and the military. I used to design and run Burn-In experiments for DRAM memory for military oriented customers such as Raytheon.

This is where I used to work...

Test - Micron Technology, Inc.
Simulating actual usage, Micron's proprietary AMBYX™ ovens run monitored performance tests on every chip. This helps to guarantee the reliability of the parts customers receive and reduces overall test time and production costs.
See those blue structures in the first image ? Those are Micron's proprietary Burn-In ovens. They are literally ovens running temperatures high enough to bake pizzas. They were my playgrounds for about five yrs. I learned Python with them since their test codes were written in Python.

Viet Nam needs to clean up her national electrical power grid. When a wafer device is under construction in a chem bath, any electrical fluctuations will affect the bath's temperature and when you are dealing of measurements in nanometer, any deviations can ruin the entire wafer. Depending on how far a device have been constructed, rework may not be possible and usually the further along the device's construction, the harder it is to rework to recover any mistakes, human, machine, or process related.

For example...CMP...

Chemical-mechanical planarization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
...is a process of smoothing surfaces with the combination of chemical and mechanical forces. It can be thought of as a hybrid of chemical etching and free abrasive polishing.
If a CMP machine is stopped at this point due to power loss, the wafer is scrapped. There may be over or under polished, causing various failures at BE electrical testing. The slurry and the pads working on the wafers, several wafers at a time, must be constantly in motion. The duration and level of polish are precisely controlled. If a wafer is not scrapped, then the dies (chips) will be sold at a loss. Instead of Tier One customers like Sony or Raytheon, the dies would go to Joe Schmoe's Memory Supply, a Tier Three customer.

The Chinese and the Taiwanese went through the same national ordeal when they started out. No different than what VN is going through now. I saw alot of shitty wafers from Micron fabs that experienced power loss -- from lightning strikes. The entire fab literally went dark. The loss from one hour were tens of million$$$.

Do not let the Chinese trolls put down what is happening in VN with this venture. BE testing is NO LESS important than front end construction in semicon manufacturing of any product.
 
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oversea vietnamese play important role in this business of Intel. I remenber that Intel CPU pen II and pen III was made in Malay..
 
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Intel is a private corp. They would only transfer the know how to their people - Intel people !!!
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Investing in Science, Engineering and People
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When computer chip maker Intel Corporation opened a plant in Vietnam, the company’s largest in the world, it generated thousands of jobs. But Vietnam, a country transitioning from an agriculture- to a knowledge-based economy, lacked the highly skilled workers to fill those jobs. Instead of looking elsewhere for employees, Intel invested in Vietnam.

By partnering with the Vietnamese government, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) and Arizona State University, Intel established the Higher Engineering Education Alliance Program (HEEAP) to help Vietnamese universities improve their science and engineering programs.

Aimed at sparking systemic change, HEEAP started with leadership workshops for university rectors and deans, then continued with faculty training on active learning approaches and problem-based curriculum. By 2012, HEEAP had trained 122 Vietnamese faculty members at Arizona State. An additional 200 faculty members received training at in-country workshops. In 2013, Intel and its partners announced an expansion to HEEAP that will include leadership development, distance learning and English-language education, among other components.

In addition to improving higher education in Vietnam, Intel has promoted sustainable development. All of Intel’s plants in Vietnam recycle and treat their wastewater. The company has also built Vietnam’s largest solar power plant, significantly reducing its carbon dioxide production.

Intel received the U.S. Department of State’s Award for Corporate Excellence in 2012 for its efforts to advance education and protect the environment of Vietnam.


Read more: Investing in Science, Engineering and People | IIP Digital

It's good to see how Intel is offering proper training and scholarship to Vietnamese workers, and not just exploiting them.

This is the difference between asian investors and US investors.

Keep drawing closer to the US and you will be in good hands.

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