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Inside India's newest missile project

October 18, 2005

These days, the top brass of India's defence ministry and key scientists from the Defence Research and Development Organisation often get together to discuss how far an Indian missile can go.

The discussions seem to be bearing fruit.

Flush with the success of the medium-range ballistic missile Agni, India is now developing an intercontinental ballistic missile, better known as an ICBM.

rediff.com delves deep into this unique -- and perhaps the most prestigious -- missile programme that India has embarked upon indigenously.

What is this ICBM programme that India is working on?

It is a three-stage ballistic missile that DRDO, along with a number of defence agencies in the country, is working hard on.

The missile will have solid fuel rockets in the first and second stages, and a liquid propellant rocket in the third stage.

The launch weight of the missile may reach 270 to 275 tonnes. The missile could have a 5,480 pound to 7,680 pound releasable front section with two to three warheads of 15 kilo tonne to 20 kilo tonnes each.

The ICBM is being developed by combining the technology of the Agni II with that of the Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle. It is expected to have a range of more than 8,000 km.

When did India moot the production of such a missile?

In May 1998, DRDO and its then chief A P J Abdul Kalam, now the President of India, became symbols of national pride thanks to the Pokhran nuclear tests.

Four months later, the government entrusted DRDO with the Rs 20 billion (Rs 200 crore) ballistic missile defence project.

This is perhaps the most ambitious programme that DRDO has embarked upon. It would need to integrate the Russian-made anti-aircraft and anti-ballistic missile systems, which the army and air force are planning to induct, with an Israeli fire control radar.


Is the project part of the India's integrated guided missile development programme?

Yes, development of the ICBM is part of the integrated guided missile development programme and the nuclear submarine programme that DRDO has engaged in over the years.

It is meant to lay India's foundation of strategic missile programme and security stability.

What does the integrated guided missile development programme comprise?

It comprises five core systems. The Agni IRBM and Prithvi series of missiles have already been developed in close association with India's space industry.

Other programmes are the surface to air missile Trishul, the medium-range missile Akash and the anti-tank guided missile Nag.

In addition, India is developing the Sagarika, a submarine-launched cruise missile with a range of about 300 km. The biggest project among these is the development of the ICBM.


What is the ICBM going to be called?

DRDO scientists have code-named it Surya.

When will the ICBM be ready?

According to officials involved in the project, the ICBM is likely to be test-fired by 2008. They expect it to be added to the Indian armed forces' deterrence arsenal by 2015.


Why does India want to test-fire the Surya as early as possible?

First, there is consensus among India's political parties on the need to enhance the country's missile defence capabilities. Experts say future warfare will be heavily dependent on missiles.

Second, India's neighbouring nations are bristling with missiles. Pakistan has developed and tested a number of missiles including the Hatf-1 and Hatf-2 missiles. China has an arsenal of short and long-range missiles. China is far ahead of others in the missile race in the region as it has already done two-test flights of the Dong-Feng-31 and Julang-2, a combined ICBM and submarine-launched ballistic missile.
 
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If it was DRDO alone in the project i would highly doubt if they could make such missile. But seeing that there are other ingencies working with DRDO. I see some hope for the project.
 
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old news to my ears that icbm is called surya (sun ) by some media people claim that and this missile has been borrowed from highly successfull launch rocket of isro pslv and drdo work is limited in it ,and also in the news is that surya 2 will have 12000+ range
 
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Surya
At least one source has reported that a 12,000-km range, 80,000-kg weight ballistic missile, designated Surya, is also under development, but no confirmatory reports of such activity have as yet been discovered. (1)

The status of the Surya [Sun] ICBM program is extremely unclear, with some report indicating that the development of this system was initiated in 1994. Conflicting reports regarding the Surya's configuration claim that it will be based on the components of the polar space launch vehicle (PSLV) and the Agni IRBM, and that it will have a range between 8000 and 12,000 kms. (2)

References
1. The Nonproliferation Review, Winter 95, p. 160.

2. Chapter 4 From India to North Africa: Sowing A Missile Crop Exploring U.S. Missile Defense Requirements in 2010: What Are the Policy and Technology Challenges? Institute for Foreign Policy Analysis April 1997

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/india/surya.htm
 
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I only wish the U.S. is looking closely at their baby's (indias) attempts to develop ICBM. Because apart from Washigton D.C. and London, their seems no other logical targets.
 
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Originally posted by sigatoka@Dec 5 2005, 11:17 AM
I only wish the U.S. is looking closely at their baby's (indias) attempts to develop ICBM. Because apart from Washigton D.C. and London, their seems no other logical targets.
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and since we became a baby of US????

Let's have a triva.

Who is the major Partner of US in Asia in their war against terror????

Who is the Major Non-NATO ally of US??

Who has got all the free arms and military aid for all these years???

With whose waters and Airbases US attacked the Taliban in Afganistan??

To whom US refused Super Computers back in 80's????

On whose Missile programmes and Nuke programmes (back in 80's and 90's) the US put sanctions???

Miro
 
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Originally posted by miroslav@Dec 5 2005, 02:55 AM
and since we became a baby of US????

Let's have a triva.

Who is the major Partner of US in Asia in their war against terror????

Who is the Major Non-NATO ally of US??

Who has got all the free arms and military aid for all these years???

With whose waters and Airbases US attacked the Taliban in Afganistan??

To whom US refused Super Computers back in 80's????

On whose Missile programmes and Nuke programmes (back in 80's and 90's) the US put sanctions???

Miro
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Aside from that, we know there will be a lot of problems for Pakistan to create an ICBM, it would be really surprising if Pakistan already has such range of missile hidden in secret to avoid sanctions again.

Now if i see sanctions in the future from U.S over Pakistan, it will be in the case of ICBM or continuation of extending our nuclear range. Note that U.S even today haven't recognized India and Pakistan or even Israel as nuclear states.

I think this is the time we should use U.S and get our identity of nuclear state so any future mischeifs may be eliminated, but this looks very far fetch.

Samething goes with the India, except that she can handle her self well better than Pakistan in the time of sanctions, but no doubt Pakistan will be in the league of her in the future.

Regards,
Ahsan F.
 
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India has always been noted as heading the non-aligned movement. Recently though it has moved into a very pro-U.S. foreign policy position.

For e.g. India has probably torpedoed the chance of a pipeline from Iran to India because it chose to side with U.S. in condemning Iran's civilian nuclear program. It did this because U.S. promised it nuclear technology.

Even three years your outrage Miro at being U.S.'s baby would have been justified, but not now.
 
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Webby are you aware of the Indian Space Programme???

We have our own GSLV and Cryogenic engines (We couldn't get this back in 90's due to US sanctions).

No surprise if we come up with some ICBM without anyone's knowledge.

Not to forget our fireworks back in 1998. Nobody could smell it/ Not the US nor Pakistan and even China.

Our need of ICBM is not against Pakistan but against China in the current Pyschological war with them.

We must set a knowledge of retaliation for our Chinese brothers.

Thanks,

Miro
 
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I personally consider the Chinese power the worst one. Once it rises, believe me or not it will be hell of an evil force (personal opinion.) you can see that openly how they are threatening a tiny nation Taiwan, with its might arm.

Miro, ya i know about the space program of India, and very impressed by it.

You have said that you couldn't get the GSLV and Cryogenic engines back in 90s because of U.S sanction, and you have also mentioned that those are made indeginiously, whats up with that? Is there any foriegn help acquired for those engines?

About ICBMs case, i believe it is totally different from Space Program. India is pretty new to space where as U.S is way more experienced have enough knowledge, i dont think U.S will let India par its space technology or even become a threat to it. So its very stupid to assume that U.S will let any of the three countries have ICBMs in the future.
 
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Originally posted by WebMaster@Dec 7 2005, 10:19 AM
You have said that you couldn't get the GSLV and Cryogenic engines back in 90s because of U.S sanction, and you have also mentioned that those are made indeginiously, whats up with that? Is there any foriegn help acquired for those engines?

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Read about GSLV's here

About ICBMs case, i believe it is totally different from Space Program. India is pretty new to space where as U.S is way more experienced have enough knowledge, i dont think U.S will let India par its space technology or even become a threat to it. So its very stupid to assume that U.S will let any of the three countries have ICBMs in the future.

We don't expect it ffrom US. Indian space programme is more than 30 years old and we have a trusted partner Russia.

Watch out the Indian PM's ongoing visit to Russia. Keep checking about the agreements or let me know, I will keep updating.

Thanks,

Miro
 
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Agreements on space, defence signed

Moscow, December 6
India and Russia today signed four agreements, including one on Reciprocal Protection of Intellectual Property Rights (IPRs) in the field of Military Technical Cooperation, at the end of the annual summit meeting between Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and President Vladimir Putin.

While three agreements were signed in the presence of Dr Singh and Mr Putin at the Grand Kremlin Palace after the meeting, the fourth agreement — Protocol to the agreement between India and Russia on the implementation of the programme for military and technical cooperation up to 2010 and on procedure for making changes in that programme — was signed separately later.

This accord was signed by Indian Ambassador to Russia Kanwal Sibal and Mr A.V. Denisov, First Deputy Director of Russia’s Federal Service on Military-Technical Cooperation.

Announcing the signing of the fourth agreement, External Affairs Ministry spokesman Navtej Sarna said this would enable fresh joint efforts by both countries in the development, research and production of military hardware.

The agreement on safeguard of technologies while implementing long-term cooperation in the area of joint development, operation and use of the Russian Global Navigation Satellite System (GLONASS), the alternative to the US Global Positioning System (GPS), was signed by Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) Chairman G. Madhavan Nair and Russian Federal Space Agency (FSA) Director A. Perminov.

An agreement on cooperation in space was signed between the two countries in the area of exploration and use of outer space for peaceful purposes on December 3, 2004, for joint development, operation and use of GLONASS.

The agreement envisages launching of GLONASS satellite using GSLV launch vehicle of India. In turn, Russia will provide access to GLONASS system signals for Indian use. The cooperation also envisages joint development of user equipment for exploitation of GLONASS signals for commercial purposes.

The agreement would enable development of procedures for handling protected article used in connection with the joint activity.

Mr Perminov and Mr Madhavan Nair, who is also Secretary in the Department of Space, also signed an agreement on cooperation in the field of solar physics and solar terrestrial telationships within the framework of the CORONAS-PHOTON project.

As a followup to the agreement on use of outer space for peaceful purposes signed in 2004, ISRO and FSA have agreed to cooperate in the field of space exploration.

The CORONAS-PHOTON mission aims at research in the field of solar physics and solar terrestrial relationships. The present agreement enables the integration of the Indian RT-2 payload with the CORONAS-PHOTON spacecraft and a joint space experiment using the RT-2 equipment.

The agreement on reciprocal protection of IPRs in the field of military technical cooperation was signed by Mr Kanwal Sibal and Russian Justice Minister Yuri Chaika. The agreement is designed to protect intellectual property rights with respect to bilateral military technical cooperation. It is applicable to joint activities related to designing, construction, production and transfer of technology of military products.

Link

Miro
 
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