Inside APS : The untold story of SSG Operation at APS

[RealNapster]

Was he armed?

no. He was there to teach students about First aid. so most probably "unarmed" and not a regular "infantry" man...

 

[django]

There is a difference between a conventional wartime mission and a direct action intervention mission, for the former 1.5 hours is perfectly standard. From what I understand the Zarrar Company is Pakistan's premier federal interventio force/sub-unit and I would have expected them to be ready around the clock to launch for such direct action missions with all their gear stowed. The 1.5 hour figure doesn't fit with their mission profile.

What about your damn black cats or rather kittens, how long did it take for those guys to clean up the mumbia mess.

There was a major of medical core inside the auditorium, who managed to escape and was later court martialled....

He should have been shot publically....for abondoning his post and duty

This needs to be addressed by pakistan army.....this kind of cowardice can never be tolerated

Seriously they need to make examples of black sheep in their ranks

This major was the exact opposite of Lance Naik Altaf from an engineering battalion who single handedly took on the attackers with such ferocity that they the terrorists initially thought an entire battalion had arrived, by diverting the attention of the terrorists many APS students managed to keep their lives, Lance Naik Altaf was martyred in the ensuing firefight.

 

[Abingdonboy]

What about your damn black cats or rather kittens, how long did it take for those guys to clean up the mumbia mess..

That is irrelevent, don't go off topic my friend.

 

[thrilainmanila]

The QRF reached there within 5 minutes of the alarm of attack as the cant was nearby. You should also shed some light over 962 students, including staff rescued. If we add both the numbers i.e rescued + killed = total and take out a percentage ... the results show that more than 87% of the staff and students were rescued while terrorists managed to kill only 13% which was a huge failure and it definitely included efforts by QRF, major efforts indeed.

And out of that total 13%, around 10% were killed in the auditorium because of the medical lecture going on there, it was our bad luck.

there is no positive angle you can look at this, the aim of the attacks was to cause as much chaos as possible and to send a message the terrorists achieved this. over 130 kid were butchered, this mission was in no ways a success, the security apparatus surrounding the school including QRF deserve to be held responsible, the QRF are a joke we saw what they were capable of in the Camp Badaber attack.

 

[Mrc]

it was a school not a hardened military base....

military response to crisis was adequate....qrf is not designed for sensitive hostage situations...
calling in zarar company was right decision....

damage was done with in minutes of starting the terrorist attack.... qrf could have stormed the school but they had to be sure its not a hostage situation.... so right decision was made...

 

[django]

there is no positive angle you can look at this, the aim of the attacks was to cause as much chaos as possible and to send a message the terrorists achieved this. over 130 kid were butchered, this mission was in no ways a success, the security apparatus surrounding the school including QRF deserve to be held responsible, the QRF are a joke we saw what they were capable of in the Camp Badaber attack.

Look when these Talibs are determined to pull something off, they usually do, look at their mission against the US military base in Kandahar where they initially penetrated the base using suicide bombers and destroyed all the contents of an aircraft hangar and killed some highranking US airforce personnel, pretty effective mission would you not say. Despite all the extensive security that this base had they still managed to penetrate it and for heaven's sake they have entered sensitive military installations of all branches of the Pakistan military so how the hell would one not expect them to enter a school.

 

[Mrc]

Recent attack in paris; french also took around 3 hours to storm bataclan theatre

 

[Foxtrot-Bravo]

there is no positive angle you can look at this, the aim of the attacks was to cause as much chaos as possible and to send a message the terrorists achieved this. over 130 kid were butchered, this mission was in no ways a success, the security apparatus surrounding the school including QRF deserve to be held responsible, the QRF are a joke we saw what they were capable of in the Camp Badaber attack.

Well if you think your enemy is just a shit, its your own mistake then no one's else. We are into this war and in war there are losses on both sides. The fact is we are on a side with too much less loss as compared to our opponent.

As far as QRF is concerned, you are typing from the warmness of your home so you dearly can't understand what clott of cold blood it takes to stand there and rush in the race of bullets, plus I think you have not read my comment thoroughly.

 

[thrilainmanila]

Well if you think your enemy is just a shit, its your own mistake then no one's else. We are into this war and in war there are losses on both sides. The fact is we are on a side with too much less loss as compared to our opponent.

As far as QRF is concerned, you are typing from the warmness of your home so you dearly can't understand what clott of cold blood it takes to stand there and rush in the race of bullets, plus I think you have not read my comment thoroughly.

it doesn't matter if they took 5 minutes to reach the scene, the point i'm trying to make is they are ineffective, its been proven twice on 2 big events how much of a failure they are.
the SSG was basically the real QRF, the QRF is a name given to a bunch of soldiers who get the first call to throw themselves infront of bullets, there are by no means a real force. there basically normal soldiers, who lack specialised equipment to deal with an emergency.
Operations carried out by western/indian militaries such as Beslan school siege and the mumbai attacks were bigger failures then APS. I don't deny this, the point i raise is whenever you have a huge no. killed as was the case with APS you can never put a positive angle on it,especially when all the casualties were children. The purpose of the attacks was to shake the public, and this is what happened, peshawar has not been the same since the attack.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

it doesn't matter if they took 5 minutes to reach the scene, the point i'm trying to make is they are ineffective, its been proven twice on 2 big events how much of a failure they are.
the SSG was basically the real QRF, the QRF is a name given to a bunch of soldiers who get the first call to throw themselves infront of bullets, there are by no means a real force. there basically normal soldiers, who lack specialised equipment to deal with an emergency.
Operations carried out by western/indian militaries such as Beslan school siege and the mumbai attacks were bigger failures then APS. I don't deny this, the point i raise is whenever you have a huge no. killed as was the case with APS you can never put a positive angle on it,especially when all the casualties were children. The purpose of the attacks was to shake the public, and this is what happened, peshawar has not been the same since the attack.

Pakistan has not been the same ever since

it shook most of the people and it also brought out the worse in some who have the same reaction and expression like that of the Cleric of Red Mosque, the kind of comments I saw on facebook were the electronic version of hate and terror used by the attackers.

 

[Slides]

it doesn't matter if they took 5 minutes to reach the scene, the point i'm trying to make is they are ineffective, its been proven twice on 2 big events how much of a failure they are.
the SSG was basically the real QRF, the QRF is a name given to a bunch of soldiers who get the first call to throw themselves infront of bullets, there are by no means a real force. there basically normal soldiers, who lack specialised equipment to deal with an emergency.
Operations carried out by western/indian militaries such as Beslan school siege and the mumbai attacks were bigger failures then APS. I don't deny this, the point i raise is whenever you have a huge no. killed as was the case with APS you can never put a positive angle on it,especially when all the casualties were children. The purpose of the attacks was to shake the public, and this is what happened, peshawar has not been the same since the attack.

I don't think you understand the purpose of a QRF. The QRF model has been a huge success. It has standardized operating procedures for army teams that are ready to move out in a moment's notice and are trained for close quarter combat. You are not using the right parameters of success and failure for them.

 

[I.R.A]

Locals from the areas around APS told officials they had spotted the men with masks much before the incident had taken place and noted suspicious activity but had not informed the authorities out of fear. Bihari Colony is not populated with a people who trust authorities which do not cater to even their most basic needs.

Although their ambulances are equipped with all life-saving facilities, workers themselves do not have bullet-proof jackets or helmets to keep themselves safe. “The workers are trained for rescue operations but they have never worked in crossfire,” said Faizi.

Rescue 1122 workers said they were in a state of shock for many days, but no counselling or psychological help was provided to any of them.

 

[Mrc]

I don't think you understand the purpose of a QRF. The QRF model has been a huge success. It has standardized operating procedures for army teams that are ready to move out in a moment's notice and are trained for close quarter combat. You are not using the right parameters of success and failure for them.

QRF has made real defference in tribal areas where terrorists use to hit and run....

introduction of QRF took away running part from hit and run... inflicting heavy casualities on terrorists...

But they are blunt force and no way they have finace of ssg zarar...

In APS , decision was right to call zarar and hold QRF back... because if it was indeed a hostage situation ... sending in QRF could have been a disaster...

In PAF badaber... QRF managed the whole episode successfully....all casualities in mosque were before their arrival ... and after their arrival they managed to contain and eliminate terrorists...

They indeed took some casualities... but that is part and parcel of the game and is not a measure of success or failure....

 

[Mav3rick]

While they may think and believe that acts like this weaken our resolve to fight the scourge of terrorism, all I can think of, like my other countrymen, is how I want to have been a part of those who were fighting these inhumane creatures!

All I can think of is, how I wish to be a part of the actual fighting force, on the ground, that sends these hell hounds packing back to hell!

 

[F86 Saber]

While they may think and believe that acts like this weaken our resolve to fight the scourge of terrorism, all I can think of, like my other countrymen, is how I want to have been a part of those who were fighting these inhumane creatures!

All I can think of is, how I wish to be a part of the actual fighting force, on the ground, that sends these hell hounds packing back to hell!

I agree.... i often compare in my imagination what it would be like to kill a rabid dog running after my family and emptying an entire 9 MM clip into the chest of an APS attacker and i imagination that i will feel bad about shooting the dog but will feel extreme satisfaction in seeing the scumbag gasp for the few last breaths. Mind you i am an extremely anti violence person, i can't even kill a lizard without feeling remorse.