Indonesia starts construction of high-speed rail line

[Indos]

The train will be made in Indonesia actually as part of transfer of tech arrangement. The plant has been made in East Java if i recall. The interior design will had Indonesian style

So will PT INKA do the manufacturing...? Or it will be a new company ( as far as I know it is only Inka who is the sole train manufacturer in Indonesia). They are now completing order from Bangladesh.

PT INKA Factory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industri_Kereta_Api

 

[Nike]

http://www.cnnindonesia.com/ekonomi...epang-china-janji-bangun-pabrik-kereta-di-ri/

ini janji mereka dulu dan semoga dijadiin bener

 

[Edison Chen]

I will buy some train models for my kid.
I do not know whether we can find CRH models in China.

taobao

 

[AndrewJin]

I will buy some train models for my kid.
I do not know whether we can find CRH models in China.

There are.
Train models are not cheap, unless u buy those sold on the street which are really for kids.
Train models are adults' toys.

Judging from the way they conduct business there, I don't think their project will even get started by the time the Indonesia HSR is up and running.



It will still be a good starting point. Indonesia has many more HSR projects on the drawing board, so the manufacturing capacity will increase along the way. Indonesians are very diligent people. If you could manage to get N250 up in the sky, you can get your own HSR running on the tracks.

The factory in America is under construction.
China's CRRC has already operated a factory in Ipoh, Malaysia.

 

[Kyle Sun]

There are.
Train models are not cheap, unless u buy those sold on the street which are really for kids.
Train models are adults' toys.
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The price is ok.
Now even a pair of stupid shoes costs 1,000rmb.

 

[Jlaw]

There are.
Train models are not cheap, unless u buy those sold on the street which are really for kids.
Train models are adults' toys.
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The factory in America is under construction.
China's CRRC has already operated a factory in Ipoh, Malaysia.
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Are these train models metal? If yes, than it's worth it.

 

[nang2]

Just heard a news saying the project abruptly put on hold. Anyone knows?

 

[Indos]

Just heard a news saying the project abruptly put on hold. Anyone knows?

Nope, it is still underway. There are some expert questioning about the project safety in handling earth quake event, the government has said that they will be open to any suggestion and will address any issue regarding this project.

SOE minister just recently said that she is quite confidence to pay back China financing, one of the source of the income is Walini new town project in which the land is acquired by one of the consortium participant (PT Perkebunan).

Walini will be designed to be a green city since it has a very good landscape. It can be another top tourist destination as well with hotels and others.

Walini Tea Plantation

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Just heard a news saying the project abruptly put on hold. Anyone knows?

Ministry blocks work by China-led group, cites safety issues
ERWIDA MAULIA, Nikkei staff writer

A model of the high-speed train on display in the groundbreaking ceremony.


JAKARTA -- Indonesia's first high-speed railway will not receive permits allowing construction to proceed until requirements including the network's life span and seismic safety are met, the Transportation Ministry says.

Work on the 142km network to connect Jakarta and Bandung broke ground Jan. 22 in a ceremony attended by President Joko Widodo. Several government officials had said earlier that the project would not begin until all the permits had been released.

But it was learned later that though the project won the environment ministry's endorsement and a nod on the planned route, the Transportation Ministry refused to issue the business permit and construction permit. These two permits should allow the consortium formed by several Chinese and Indonesian state-owned companies to enter the railway industry and commission the construction.

Hermanto Dwiatmoko, director general for railways at the Transportation Ministry, said the consortium needs to adjust several details in its design and development plans before a concession agreement can be reached and the final two permits issued.

Dwiatmoko told reporters that "we want the railway to have a life span of 100 years, not 60 years [as stated in the current design]." The concession will last only 50 years, he said, after which the government will take over the property. An extended life span will let the government benefit longer from the takeover.

The ministry rejected the consortium's request for a longer concession period, Dwiatmoko said. Previous media reports said the consortium requested at least 10 additional years due to worries that it could not break even in 40 years.

Another major issue concerns the distance between track centers, Dwiatmoko said, as the Jakarta-Bandung railway is designed to run on double tracks. The current design gives a distance of 4.6 meters for a train that will reach 350kph. But track centers should be 5 meters apart for such a speed, he said, while a 4.6-meter distance allows a maximum speed of only 250kph.

"It will be dangerous if the distance is not wide enough," he said. "Trains [running on opposite tracks] at a very high speed may collide. This is an important safety issue."

Furthermore, the consortium needs a seismic survey for some areas of the route outside Bandung because of their vulnerability to earthquakes, and the track location or the structure's strength must be adjusted accordingly, Dwiatmoko said, citing recommendations from the country's meteorology and geophysics agency, the BMKG.

"All of these are requirements that they [the consortium] must meet if they want to proceed with the project," he said. "There is no room for negotiations."

see more at: Indonesian high-speed rail: Ministry blocks work by China-led group, cites safety issues- Nikkei Asian Review

 

[Nike]

Ministry blocks work by China-led group, cites safety issues
ERWIDA MAULIA, Nikkei staff writer


A model of the high-speed train on display in the groundbreaking ceremony.


JAKARTA -- Indonesia's first high-speed railway will not receive permits allowing construction to proceed until requirements including the network's life span and seismic safety are met, the Transportation Ministry says.

Work on the 142km network to connect Jakarta and Bandung broke ground Jan. 22 in a ceremony attended by President Joko Widodo. Several government officials had said earlier that the project would not begin until all the permits had been released.

But it was learned later that though the project won the environment ministry's endorsement and a nod on the planned route, the Transportation Ministry refused to issue the business permit and construction permit. These two permits should allow the consortium formed by several Chinese and Indonesian state-owned companies to enter the railway industry and commission the construction.

Hermanto Dwiatmoko, director general for railways at the Transportation Ministry, said the consortium needs to adjust several details in its design and development plans before a concession agreement can be reached and the final two permits issued.

Dwiatmoko told reporters that "we want the railway to have a life span of 100 years, not 60 years [as stated in the current design]." The concession will last only 50 years, he said, after which the government will take over the property. An extended life span will let the government benefit longer from the takeover.

The ministry rejected the consortium's request for a longer concession period, Dwiatmoko said. Previous media reports said the consortium requested at least 10 additional years due to worries that it could not break even in 40 years.

Another major issue concerns the distance between track centers, Dwiatmoko said, as the Jakarta-Bandung railway is designed to run on double tracks. The current design gives a distance of 4.6 meters for a train that will reach 350kph. But track centers should be 5 meters apart for such a speed, he said, while a 4.6-meter distance allows a maximum speed of only 250kph.

"It will be dangerous if the distance is not wide enough," he said. "Trains [running on opposite tracks] at a very high speed may collide. This is an important safety issue."

Furthermore, the consortium needs a seismic survey for some areas of the route outside Bandung because of their vulnerability to earthquakes, and the track location or the structure's strength must be adjusted accordingly, Dwiatmoko said, citing recommendations from the country's meteorology and geophysics agency, the BMKG.

"All of these are requirements that they [the consortium] must meet if they want to proceed with the project," he said. "There is no room for negotiations."

see more at: Indonesian high-speed rail: Ministry blocks work by China-led group, cites safety issues- Nikkei Asian Review

Ignatius Jonan is the proponent anti Fast train consortium as he want the KAI to lead the consortium instead, meanwhile Menko Maritime Rizal Ramli and Sofyan Jalil along with Rini is the backer of this programme. Jokowi must act fast and getting Jonan back to track, he had a decent record and good perception but he tends too overdoing and bad temper.

 

[katarabhumi]

Indonesia and China agree to carry on with high speed train project.
Thursday, 14 April 2016, 13:08 WIB

REPUBLIKA.CO.ID, JAKARTA -- The governments of Indonesia and China agree to carry on with the controversial speed train project between Jakarta and Bandung.

"Not only in the high speed train project which is already underway, but also in other sectors," Cabinet Secretary Pramono Anung said after a meeting between President Joko Widodo and a Chinese government delegation here on Wednesday.

The two countries agreed on cooperation in various sectors also including in development of natural resources, energy and infrastructure, Pramono Anung said.

Opposition against the development of the country's first speed train is growing including among legislators.

Deputy House Speaker Fahri Hamzah urged the government to stop the project, saying there are big risks in the projects.

Fahri cited danger of landslides that could damage the 142 kilometer track to be built crossing mountainous area between the two largest cities in western Java.

The project to cost around US$5.5 billion has been awarded to Indonesia-China consortium PT Kereta Cepat Indonesia China (KCIC).

The consortium groups China Railway International Co. Ltd., a subsidiary of China Railway Group Ltd. and Indonesian state owned firms Wijaya Karya, Kereta Api Indonesia, and Jasa Marga.

Construction of the project, however, stalled as the Transportation Ministry has yet to issue a building permit for the train due to a lack of required documents, as well as a disagreement over points in the concession agreement.

Analysts and legislators are also concerned about the Chinese-led consortium's proposal to ask for a government guarantee for the train project.

But, State-owned Enterprises Minister Rini Soemarno said that the government would only provide legal certainty for the project.

The consortium had never requested financial guarantee, Rini said, adding that it only asked for the issuance of a legal basis for the long-term operation of the train.

She said it was normal for investors to request legal guarantees for long term investment projects to guarantee their permits would not be revoked.

The project is built on business to business scheme not involving the government financially.

Indonesia and China agree to carry on with high speed train project | Republika Online

 

[orang biasa]

West Papua to Have Its Own Bullet Train Network

West Papua to Have Its Own Bullet Train Networki
Jakarta. West Papua will have its own bullet train network, a high-speed railway line capable of running express trains at a maximum speed of up to 250 kilometers per hour, Hermanto Dwi Atmoko, Director General of Railways, said on Thursday (28/04).

Trains used on the network will be capable of carrying larger loads, similar to those intended for use in Sulawesi and Kalimantan, and run faster than trains in Java and Sumatera.

Hermanto said, after a meeting with West Papua Deputy Governor Irene Manibuy, that the first and second phase of the development will take place between 2016 and 2019.

“First the regional government will have to clear the land, test the routes, assess the environmental impact and look for recommendations from all regional leaders in the area,” Hermanto said.

All in all, West Papua’s railway development will be done in three phases. The total length of the railway track from Manokwari to Sorong will be 390 kilometers. The project is expected to start this year.

• West Papua
• bullet train

 

[skyhigh88]

China Railway Corp.-led consortium awarded Indonesian project
09.06.2016
High-speed, 142-km rail project to link Jakarta, Bandung
By Lu Bingyang and Chen Na

(Photo by Merdeka)

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(Beijing) — China's homegrown bullet trains will be used in a 142-km high-speed railway project in Indonesia, the latest move by the Chinese government to export its state-of-the-art rail technology.

Sheng Guangzu, general manager of China Railway Corp. (CRC), the country's railway operator, said on Sept. 3 that China-made bullet trains will run on a high-speed rail line connecting Indonesia's capital, Jakarta, and the country's third-largest city, Bandung.

China's efforts to push its high-speed technology have suffered a string of setbacks in recent years. Several overseas bids by Chinese rail companies in countries, including the U.S. and Mexico, have been scrapped, mainly due to red tape.

The Jakarta-Bandung link has also seen several proposal changes before it was finally awarded to a Chinese consortium led by CRC.

When the Southeast Asian nation floated a plan to build the country's first bullet train line late last year, both China and Japan expressed interest in the project.

But the Indonesian government scrapped bids from both sides in September, saying it wanted a rail link on which trains run at less than 250 km per hour. Then, in an unexpected reversal, Indonesia chose China's bid over Japan's in October to build a link whose trains could run at speeds of up to 300 km per hour, a decision made possible due to the flexible funding options included in the Chinese bid.

To secure the deal, the consortium had a groundbreaking ceremony in January, even before the Indonesian authorities granted a construction license to the group. The license was later granted in August, after the group spent seven months negotiating with local governments "one by one" for permission to expropriate land, a person close to the Chinese bidders told Caixin.

The trains for the Jakarta-Bandung project will be assembled in Indonesia, and an assembly plant is being built, Sheng said.

China's first homegrown bullet train, built according to a technology standard developed and patented in the country, completed its inaugural trip in mid-August and it will get a production permit from the National Railway Administration next year at the latest, a person close to CRC said.

Contact reporter Na Chen (nachen@caixin.com); editor Ken Howe (kennethhowe@caixin.com)

http://english.caixin.com/2016-09-06/100986066.html

 

[Jlaw]

China gave Indo too much for this deal.

 

[Nike]

u know we had decent negotiator teams