Indonesia sends its 309-product list for Bangladesh PTA

[Nike]

Indonesia can made almost all of civil engineering thingy, from diesel engines, turbine engines (license production from siemens ag), high pressure vessels boiler, micro sattelites, micro processor, cnc engineering and so on, well we are lacking in

Well you can't argue with vedic supa pawa logic...
Jokes aside, going by the data you provided Indonesia is gaining speed to become a major manufacturer. BD sould definitely increase trade and cooperation with Indonesia in every field available and possible!!!

Indonesia had well rounded output in manufacturing industry geared toward local consumption mainly, with recent effort to boost export

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/indonesia/industrial-production-index-growth

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Look, once again you state your opinion without any data backing. I have actually brought the data for you to read but you still want to believe what you have already believed.

Here, take a look on the data and learn more detail from it.

1. Mineral fuels including oil: US$42 billion (23.3% of total exports)
2. Animal/vegetable fats, oils, waxes: $20.3 billion (11.3%)
3. Electrical machinery, equipment: $8.9 billion (4.9%)
4. Vehicles: $7.6 billion (4.2%)
5. Rubber, rubber articles: $6.4 billion (3.5%)
6. Machinery including computers: $5.9 billion (3.3%)
7. Iron, steel: $5.8 billion (3.2%)
8. Gems, precious metals: $5.6 billion (3.1%)
9. Ores, slag, ash: $5.3 billion (2.9%)
10. Footwear: $5.1 billion (2.8%)

Those on the bold ones are all manufacturing goods, here more break down on the data:

Number 5 is being bold since it also contains rubber articles which means any finished product made from rubber. The data dont specify further but it suggest many manufacturing products with rubber as raw material. Tire production is one of the examples of it. And below is Indonesian tire export data:

Taufiek Bawazier, Director of Downstream Chemistry and Pharmacy at the Ministry of Industry, said that Indonesia's current market share in the world tire market was 2.28%. With this market share, Indonesia is the 14th biggest tire exporters in the world. The Central Bureau of Statistics (BPS) noted that throughout 2018, the export value of tires and inner tubes reached US$ 1.62 billion.

https://www.idnfinancials.com/news/24392/indonesia-aims-biggest-tire-exporter

Number 7 is being bold because it said iron and steel export. We all know that steel is a manufacturing product right ? The data said the export figure is 5.8 billion dollar. If we break down the data, it reveals that most figure comes from steel product then iron export. Any way our iron production is not much. Here is our steel product export figure:

Indonesian steel exports rose 28.86 percent in nine months (9M) of 2019, from US$4.15 billion to $5.35 billion, said the official today (10/30). One of the driver growth is exports of stainless steel.

https://theinsiderstories.com/indonesian-steel-export-rose-28-86-to-us29b-in-september/

Number 8 is being bold because the figure also contain precious metal that include gold and aluminium ingots that are both part of the manufacturing process (refining process). We have gold bar/ingot production at PT Aneka Tambang and aluminium ingots production at PT Inalum.

https://inalum.id/en/production/product

Number 10 Footwear. It is clear that footwear is part of manufacturing goods.

Rubber is a raw material. Rubber articles is not advanced enough technology and is similar to making clothes and footwear. I am talking of important technology like construction equipment, car engine, complex parts of power plants etc as industrial products. These rubber items like tyres are not really industrial enough.

Steel is a manufactured commodity but it is still very close to raw material. Indonesia has iron ore and coal. So, it exports steel which is made using iron ore and coal. It is cheaper to export steel as lot of waste materials in iron ore and weight of coal is reduced after making steel. Unless it is steel machines and technology goods, exporting steel is not really manufcaturing. Similarly, jewellery and gems are close to raw materials and also an ancient craft, not something of new technology. So, it is incorrect to call them as industrial goods

LOL once again you state something without proper data backing. Look if what you said is true then it would be impossible for Indonesia to be able to export automotive component/parts abroad since you said that we just assemble the components to make a car/motorcycle (assembling). Here is fact that we have automotive components production:

Read the articles you gave. The engines are assembled in Indonesia, not manufactured. It is just like China exporting mobile phones after assembling. Most of the important parts of the mobiles are made in USA or its allies like Korea, Japan but still China exports the phones after assembling.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Spoilt Indian banyas and their agents the corrupt politicians...

U mean Hasina?

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Indonesia can made almost all of civil engineering thingy, from diesel engines, turbine engines (license production from siemens ag), high pressure vessels boiler, micro sattelites, micro processor, cnc engineering and so on, well we are lacking in



Indonesia had well rounded output in manufacturing industry geared toward local consumption mainly, with recent effort to boost export

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/indonesia/industrial-production-index-growth

Really? Diesel engines? Turbine engines, vessel boilers? Satellites? Microprocessor? Diesel engines are assembled, turbine engines are assembled under licence, vessel boilers is not really hard technology but I have not seen any boiler by Indonesia for big ships. Indonesia has no real satellite and no microprocessor

 

[Indos]

Rubber is a raw material. Rubber articles is not advanced enough technology and is similar to making clothes and footwear. I am talking of important technology like construction equipment, car engine, complex parts of power plants etc as industrial products. These rubber items like tyres are not really industrial enough.

Steel is a manufactured commodity but it is still very close to raw material. Indonesia has iron ore and coal. So, it exports steel which is made using iron ore and coal. It is cheaper to export steel as lot of waste materials in iron ore and weight of coal is reduced after making steel. Unless it is steel machines and technology goods, exporting steel is not really manufcaturing. Similarly, jewellery and gems are close to raw materials and also an ancient craft, not something of new technology. So, it is incorrect to call them as industrial goods

You said earlier that Indonesia only produce raw materials and when I prove otherwise so then you change your argument from manufacturing goods into advance manufacturing goods ?

How about India then ? Do you produce enough industry output that will prevent you from having large trade deficit just like what you are suffering now ?

Where do you get the idea that the engine that I show is actually only assembled in Indonesia ? Do you even know things more than the producer who explicitly said that Indonesia produced two types of engines, the first use steel and the second use aluminium as raw materials ? And of course there will be assembling unit of the engine plant since some part of it are outsourced like wire and battery.

http://www.toyotaindonesiamanufacturing.co.id/manufacturing/product/engine

"The TMMIN factory produces two gasoline and ethanol fuel engines, namely TR (Sunter Plant # 1 & # 2) and R-NR (Karawang Plant # 3). This iron-based TR machine has 2 types, namely 1TR and 2TR. This engine is used for IMV (Innovative Multipurpose Vehicle) type cars such as Fortuner and Innova. In addition, the aluminum-based R-NR engine also has 2 types, namely 1RN and 2RN. This engine is used for sedan cars like Yaris, Vios & MAV (Multi Activity Vehicle) like Sienta. Both of these machines are produced not only for the domestic market but also exported to countries around the world. "

And why you just skip my post talking about lithium battery factory and turbine engine component export to UK ? If we just assemble turbine engine like you repeatedly said so why we can export the turbine components to many countries then ?

There are also small turbine engine that can generate 3 MW electricity that is designed by our research agency (BPPT) and produced by PT Nusantara Turbine (PT Dirgantara subsidiary) and has been used at our small power plant. Other designs smaller than 3 MW have also been used in several factories. Here I give you the link from our research agency official website:

http://b2tke.bppt.go.id/index.php/i...bppt-gelar-pameran-teknologi-sambut-hut-ke-35

Indonesia also understand the importance of engine technology and developing its industry this is why one of our state owned companies PT Bosma Bima Indra (BBI) is cooperating with Korean company Doosan to produce diesel engine for marine and industry.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

You said earlier that Indonesia only produce raw materials and when I prove otherwise so then you change your argument from manufacturing goods into advance manufacturing goods ?

This is what I said originally:

Except for electrical machinery and vehicles, all others are non-industrial goods like handcrafts or raw materials. Even the vehicles and machinery are assembled in Indonesia rather than manufactured

I used the word "handicraft" to mean things like shoes etc as they are just handicrafts. Secondly, rubber items, steel are just raw materials even if they need some processing. For that matter, refined palm oil is not industrial goods either as it is just palm fruits pressed.

How about India then ? Do you produce enough industry output that will prevent you from having large trade deficit just like what you are suffering now ?

India imports petroleum, gold, minerals, electronics and vegetable oil. Rest are made in India to a good extent except for few niche goods. India hardly has much imports in manufactured goods.

Where do you get the idea that the engine that I show is actually only assembled in Indonesia ? Do you even know things more than the producer who explicitly said that Indonesia produced two types of engines, the first use steel and the second use aluminium as raw materials ? And of course there will be assembling unit of the engine plant since some part of it are outsourced like wire and battery.

Yes, I have been researching for some time. Indonesia does not have car engine manufacturing and imports kits. Indonesia makes the transmission and other items except for engine. The outsourced parts are generally engine cast, not simple wires and battery. Engines don't need batteries.

And why you just skip my post talking about lithium battery factory and turbine engine component export to UK ? If we just assemble turbine engine like you repeatedly said so why we can export the turbine components to many countries then ?

Indonesia has parts manufacturing which export parts of turbines which are not critical. Indonesia can't manufacture turbine blades. It is just like Turkey manufacturing part of F35 fuselage and exporting to USA. That does not mean Turkey can actually manufacture F35.

Lithium battery is not yet started in Indonesia. It is only planned.

 

[Indos]

Yes, I have been researching for some time. Indonesia does not have car engine manufacturing and imports kits. Indonesia makes the transmission and other items except for engine. The outsourced parts are generally engine cast, not simple wires and battery. Engines don't need batteries.

You are not researching enough then. This is one of casting plants in Indonesia to produce steel engine block, the other casting plant is used to produce aluminium based engine.

Satisfied to see the process of making chassis and car body, Liputan6.com moves to the Casting Plant facility of PT Toyota Motor Manufacturing Indonesia at Plant 2 Sunter, North Jakarta. Here the room is so hot.

The remaining material in the form of steel plates used in the manufacture of the frame and body is not discarded, but taken to the Casting Plant and then melted. This material is used to print engine blocks coded 1TR for Kijang Innova and 2TR owned by Fortuner.

After heating to a temperature of 1,500 degrees Celsius, the steel pulp is poured into a printing container. It is said, operators at this level have high skills because it requires more concentration and precision in pouring the steel pulp "dough". Therefore TMMIN does not carelessly place people in this position.

In the process of printing the engine block, TMMIN uses sand material. Why sand, because in addition to heat resistance this material can be melted down and reused. New sand can melt in a temperature of 1,800 degrees Celsius.

In one day, the Casting Plant in Plant 2 Sunter was able to produce 1,000 Kijang Innova and Fortuner engine blocks. Once finished, the engine block is sent to Plant 1 for finishing.

The outside and inside of the engine block are removed by 2 millimeters so that the surface is smooth and does not leave remnants of mold.

The engine that have been assembled are tested for their abilities. In the process of testing the time set is not long. This engine is not only to meet domestic needs but also exported to 70 destination countries.

The engines to be exported are wrapped in plastic containers and then packed in special packages. For the domestic market this engine is sent to the Karawang factory to be assembled and become a whole car.

https://www.liputan6.com/otomotif/read/2415761/melongok-pembuatan-mesin-mobil-toyota

Indonesia has parts manufacturing which export parts of turbines which are not critical. Indonesia can't manufacture turbine blades. It is just like Turkey manufacturing part of F35 fuselage and exporting to USA. That does not mean Turkey can actually manufacture F35.

Lithium battery is not yet started in Indonesia. It is only planned.

Yes, we manufacture turbine components for large turbine and export it worldwide but Indonesia also design its own small turbine engine and manufacture it inside the country.

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Some info about NTP

PT Nusantara Turbin Dan Propulsi (NTP) is a trusted excellence center leading in South East Asia in the field of engineering, maintenance, repair and overhaul of gas turbines and rotating equipment. Since the early establishment by the name of Universal Maintenance Center (UMC) a division of PT IPTN, NTP had been projected as a business of engineering, maintenance, repair and overhaul in the field of turbines and rotating equipment.

https://recruitment.umcntp.co.id/

NTP is actually a subsidiary of PT IPTN (change name into PT Dirgantara Indonesia-our aerospace company) that focus on turbine engine.

Lithium battery is not yet started in Indonesia. It is only planned.

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This local company also provide battery for many industries, not only for automotive.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

You are not researching enough then. This is one of casting plants in Indonesia to produce steel engine block, the other casting plant is used to produce aluminium based engine.

Yes, I was referring 5 year old articles. Toyota has set up engine plants by now. I was wrong here and you were right.

Yes, we manufacture turbine components for large turbine and export it worldwide but Indonesia also design its own small turbine engine and manufacture it inside the country.

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This is steam turbine, not gas turbine. Steam turbine is 19th century technology and has been used in power plants for about 2 centuries now. Where is the gas turbine engine?

So what is it actually ?


Electric Vehicle
The alternative vehicle is created for energy efficiency. To encourage its realization, Nipress brings solution particularly by means of the electric car and motorcycle battery. NS Lithium is designed for the green vehicle, with patented active material formula. At the end of the day, it becomes proof of support to the implementation of environmentally-friendly technology.

Various types of electric vehicle batteries from Nipress:

You tell me why Indonesian minister is saying that Lithium battery will be manufactured from 2022 if Indonesia already has Lithium battery manufacturing technology?
https://international.ristekdikti.go.id/highlight/indonesia-to-produce-lithium-battery-in-2022/

Lithium battery technology is not really state of the art and I don't think Indonesia will have any difficulty in getting it. All I am asking is why Indonesian minister is saying that battery of lithium will be made from the future if it is already in the present?