Indonesia says it has seized Iranian and Panamanian tankers

[nufix]

So western defence experts are propaganda sources in your universe? What sources do you want? Indonesian? I have given you multiple sources and you have not addressed a single one, how pathetic. Is this it? Your strategy is to just ignore the facts being given to you and pretend to be sleeping? You're simply humiliating yourself.



Then try to rebuke a single one of them. All you're capable of doing apparently is making statements, but when it comes to substance, you have zilch.



You mentioned the stealth fighter project hence why I responded to it. You do not have anything worthwhile to talk about frankly. From what I can see, most of your hardware are just imports.



Continue what? You did not even begin to address any of the points presented to you. I am still waiting for you actually begins to reply to a single one. I am here waiting.



You have demonstrated to not even understand what the word "propaganda" means. Perhaps you need some simple English lessons. Apparently you think the Americans air base and Saudi oil field were destroyed by a weapon called "propaganda".



Oh my, look at this hellish condition:

The irony is of course, you are living in the west yourself.



The topic was about military hardware and you have shifted it to brain drain. You're flip flopping more than a headless chicken. People leave Iran for a variety of reasons, economy may be one due to sanctions Another hilarious irony here is that Iran's Human Development Index is 70th, whilst Indonesia's is 107th:

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Jeez okay okay, Iran is great, Iran is cool, sorry for taking your tanker and whatnot. Will return it asap. Dont annihilate us please!

PS. i am living in the west coz i am afraid Iran will bomb Indonesia very soon now.

 

[Philosopher]

Jeez okay okay, Iran is great, Iran is cool, sorry for taking your tanker and whatnot. Will return it asap. Dont annihilate us please!

PS. i am living in the west coz i am afraid Iran will bomb Indonesia very soon now.

We're not done here, I know you're desperately trying to escape the discussion by your attempts to change the subject, but lets go back to the discussion at hand. I asked you a question:

"So western defence experts are propaganda sources in your universe? What sources do you want? Indonesian? I have given you multiple sources and you have not addressed a single one"

So address the above.

You also made the claim my economic claims were "allow" [sic], so defend your assertion. Make sure to provide references.

 

[nufix]

We're not done here, I know you're desperately trying to escape the discussion by your attempts to change the subject, but lets go back to the discussion at hand. I asked you a question:

"So western defence experts are propaganda sources in your universe? What sources do you want? Indonesian? I have given you multiple sources and you have not addressed a single one"

So address the above.

You also made the claim my economic claims were "allow" [sic], so defend your assertion. Make sure to provide references.

We are not done? Who says I am? I am basically putting this at a pause, funny you cant take a hint.

I‘d like to see Iran destroying this and that first like it has claimed in its endless propaganda. Also According to Iranians on twitter, IRGC is also coming to Indonesia and destroy it. Lets wait on that. Otherwise, this is basically me against a propaganda bot and there will be no end to it since what you do is basically copy paste and use templates.

 

[Philosopher]

We are not done? Who says I am? I am basically putting this at a pause, funny you cant take a hint.

Your attempts to change the subject is you saying that. There is no pause here, I am not interested in showing you anything of that sorts.

I‘d like to see Iran destroying this and that first like it has claimed in its endless propaganda.
Sure, when did IRGC claim to destroy this and that?
Also According to Iranians on twitter, IRGC is also coming to Indonesia and destroy it. Lets wait on that. Otherwise, this is basically me against a propaganda bot and there will be no end to it since what you do is basically copy paste and use templates.

None of that has anything to do with the discussion, once again you're attempting to shift the discussion. These red herrings will not work here. Let us try this once more. You made the statement:

"I asked you a simple question and to the drain your comments go. Just list what Iran invented in the fields of missiles, uavs and others that other countries had not developed in the past and you stick to your propaganda sources"

My reply:

"So western defence experts are propaganda sources in your universe? What sources do you want? Indonesian? I have given you multiple sources and you have not addressed a single one"

You are avoiding this question. Furthermore, you're not defending your claim against my statement regarding Indonesian economic status. How long will keep this futile attempt to hide from substantiating your claims?

 

[nufix]

Your attempts to change the subject is you saying that. There is no pause here, I am not interested in showing you anything of that sorts.



Non of that has anything to do with the discussion, once again you're attempting to shift the discussion. These red herrings will not work here. Let us try this once more. You made the statement:

"I asked you a simple question and to the drain your comments go. Just list what Iran invented in the fields of missiles, uavs and others that other countries had not developed in the past and you stick to your propaganda sources"

My reply:

"So western defence experts are propaganda sources in your universe? What sources do you want? Indonesian? I have given you multiple sources and you have not addressed a single one"

You are avoiding this question. Furthermore, you're not defending your claim against my statement regarding Indonesian economic status. How long will you try to run away from the discussion?

What should I defend? Indonesians are not the ones living under dicatorship, not the one getting jailed for not wearing hijab, not the one constantly at odds with the rest of the world. At this point, any number I give is meaningless to you anymore than „me trying to change the subject“ while you cannot even explain why Israel, Saudis and US are still standing. Iran is full of propaganda, adding one more wont make the world believe it. You havent done anything you promised, how the hell you expect people to trust anything that comes out of it?

Man, sooner or later you gotta back all your claims up and until then, I will comfortably see Iran as a country of fakes no better than NK since both are poised to create trouble for other countries in the region for the sakes of fooling its own people into thinking that you are the victim of the mean mean world and that the people should rally to whatever regimes ruling the country indisputably.

You are welcome to use my comments as you like, like man are you that desperate to earn cents? How much are you getting paid for each post? In any case, good for you.

 

[Philosopher]

What should I defend?

It called defending your statement(s). You see how a discussion works is you make a statement and then back it up with substance, you have avoided doing from the beginning. For example, I have asked about 5 times now for you to provide substance for this statement:

So western defence experts are propaganda sources in your universe? What sources do you want? Indonesian? I have given you multiple sources and you have not addressed a single one"

Of course instead of doing that, you try (and fail) to deflect.

Indonesians are not the ones living under dicatorship, not the one getting jailed for not wearing hijab, not the one constantly at odds with the rest of the world.

Me - Where is your evidence that the western expert claims on Iran defence capability is propaganda
This guy- People get jailed for not wearing Hijab

Perhaps you need to get some sleep.

At this point, any number I give is meaningless to you anymore than „me trying to change the subject

When you avoid answering a question and instead talk about something else, that is called changing the subject.

while you cannot even explain why Israel, Saudis and US are still standing.

You see? this is an example.

Iran is full of propaganda,

Ones that you have invented in your own mind?

adding one more wont make the world believe it. You havent done anything you promised, how the hell you expect people to trust anything that comes out of it?

Iran is not responsible for bringing your fantasies to reality. So once again I'll ask you, stop deflecting.

Man, sooner or later you gotta back all your claims up and until then, I will comfortably see Iran as a country of fakes no better than NK since both are poised to create trouble for other countries in the region for the sakes of fooling its own people into thinking that you are the victim of the mean mean world and that the people should rally to whatever regimes ruling the country indisputably.

I have already backed all of my statement with independent sources. It is you who is pretending not to see them.

You live in this alternate reality where you think this:

Was caused by fake weapons.

How this conversation has gone so far:

You make a statement. I debunk it using facts and ask you to reply. Instead of addressing the facts, you simply restate your original statement. In other words you are not interested in the facts, just your own delusion.

You are welcome to use my comments as you like, like man are you that desperate to earn cents? How much are you getting paid for each post? In any case, good for you.

Your comments are disinformation, I do not need to earn anything to debunk them. If you pollute the forum, expect to be dealt with. This is not a children playground with you will let your fantasies play-out unchallenged.

 

[nufix]

It called defending your statement(s). You see how a discussion works is you make a statement and then back it up with substance, you have avoided doing from the beginning. For example, I have asked about 5 times now for you to provide substance for this statement:

So western defence experts are propaganda sources in your universe? What sources do you want? Indonesian? I have given you multiple sources and you have not addressed a single one"

Of course instead of doing that, you try (and fail) to deflect.



Me - Where is your evidence that the western expert claims on Iran defence capability is propaganda
This guy- People get jailed for not wearing Hijab

Perhaps you need to get some sleep.



When you avoid answering a question and instead talk about something else, that is called changing the subject.



You see? this is an example.



Ones that you have invented in your own mind?



Iran is not responsible for bringing your fantasies to reality. So once again I'll ask you, stop deflecting.




I have already backed all of my statement with independent sources. It is you who is pretending not to see them.

You live in this alternate reality where you think this:

Was caused by fake weapons.

How this conversation has gone so far:

You make a statement. I debunk it using facts and ask you to reply. Instead of addressing the facts, you simply restate your original statement. In other words you are not interested in the facts, just your own delusion.



Your comments are disinformation, I do not need to earn anything to debunk them. If you pollute the forum, expect to be dealt with. This is not a children playground with you will let your fantasies play-out unchallenged.

Expect to be dealt with what? More Propaganda? More disinformation? Or destruction? Maybe Iranians can deal with that, not me or the rest of the world tho.

Anyway, I dont feel myself to be in a discussion. More like speaking to a propaganda speaker that just wont stop blasting talks and no walks. Stop flattering yourself man. Destroy Israel and US first like you claimed to do, then we will talk some more about how great Iran is. You are basically evading this question and instead presenting not even a fraction of the destruction you promised upon Israel or the US. You are trying to escape from this question by hoping I will fall into your propaganda stuff?

If you constantly lie to the world, expect to be called a liar. Now I am not calling you or Iran a liar, I am simply waiting for Iran to walk the talk. See how nice I am?

 

[Philosopher]

Expect to be dealt with what? More Propaganda? More disinformation? Or destruction? Maybe Iranians can deal with that, not me or the rest of the world tho.

The issue here is this, you are avoiding proving why western sources are considered propaganda. First explain why those sources are propaganda. The proof of a statement is not the statement itself. I gave you a source by a defence expert, like below:

You claim it is propaganda.
Question: Why and based on what?

Anyway, I dont feel myself to be in a discussion.

What discussion? All that has happened so far is your statement(s) have been debunked and you just repeated yourself.

More like speaking to a propaganda speaker that just wont stop blasting talks and no walks

You may not like the facts, but that is not the same propaganda. You see propaganda is something which is not factual, that is much closer to everything you have said thus far. Prove me otherwise.

Stop flattering yourself man. Destroy Israel and US first like you claimed to dothen we will talk some more about how great Iran is.

You can repeat this comment as many times as you wish, but it is nothing but a fantasy that exists in your own mind. It is not a real part of anything I have said so far.

You are basically evading this question and instead presenting not even a fraction of the destruction you promised upon Israel or the US. You are trying to escape from this question

Because this question is not an answer to the questions I am waiting for you answer. The topic here is not about whether Iran's to destroy X or Y. That is a red herring you have created to deflect.

by hoping I will fall into your propaganda stuff?

As you have admitted by not countering my points, there is no propaganda here, only your claims of them.

If you constantly lie to the world, expect to be called a liar. Now I am not calling you or Iran a liar, I am simply waiting for Iran to walk the talk. See how nice I am?

Iran has walk the talks it has made:

You want it to walk a talk it never made.

The question is this, when will you walk the talk and actually start answering the question I posted. 99% of your posts far are about the politics and nothing to do with the statement regarding military hardware. So, are you going to explain why these hardware mentioned by the sources are propaganda?

 

[nufix]

The issue here is this, you are avoiding proving why western sources are considered propaganda. First explain why those sources are propaganda. The proof of a statement is not the statement itself. I gave you a source by a defence expert, like below:

You claim it is propaganda.
Question: Why and based on what?



What discussion? All that has happened so far is your statement(s) have been debunked and you just repeated yourself.



You may not like the facts, but that is not the same propaganda. You see propaganda is something which is not factual, that is much closer to everything you have said thus far. Prove me otherwise.



You can repeat this comment as many times as you wish, but it is nothing but a fantasy that exists in your own mind. It is not a real part of anything I have said so far.



Because this question is not an answer to the questions I am waiting for you answer. The topic here is not about whether Iran's to destroy X or Y. That is a red herring you have created to deflect.

The topic is tied to that since Iranians also eager to send IRGC over to Indonesia and destroy it. Well, I suggest you start picking one out of your list before you start adding some more countries. I mean you gotta start somewhere right? Where is the wrong in my statement?

In the meantime, Indonesia is an island country, gotta do something to fix your rusty boats first before making any invasion mind you. And no, tanker ship turned an LPD/LHD is not gonna cut it. And yes, your corvette is not frigates, they cant do long cruises so you need to make port calls in friendly countries which Iran lacks off since it chose to be an international pariahs.

Instead of trying to prove how great Iran is in PDF, I suggest you do something to prepare your invasion to Indonesia... or Israel... or the US... ah I have lost count already. Just do something about it already.

 

[Philosopher]

The topic is tied to that since

Except that is not what I am commenting to you about. You're admitting to be changing the topic to something else. I am talking to you about your comments on Iran's military hardware, nothing else.

ranians also eager to send IRGC over to Indonesia and destroy it.

Show me an official IRGC statement on this, or is it yet another false claim by you?

Well, I suggest you start picking one out of your list before you start adding some more countries. I mean you gotta start somewhere right? Where is the wrong in my statement?

In the meantime, Indonesia is an island country, gotta do something to fix your rusty boats first before making any invasion mind you. And no, tanker ship turned an LPD/LHD is not gonna cut it. And yes, your corvette is not frigates, they cant do long cruises so you need to make port calls in friendly countries which Iran lacks off since it chose to be an international pariahs.

Instead of trying to prove how great Iran is in PDF, I suggest you do something to prepare your invasion to Indonesia... or Israel... or the US... ah I have lost count already. Just do something about it already.

Notice how none of what has anything to do with what I asked you:

You seem think by trying to deflect on the issue that somehow that will take focus away from your disinformation. So why are you avoiding the question?

 

[nufix]

Except that is not what I am commenting to you about. You're admitting to be changing the topic to something else. I am talking to you about your comments on Iran's military hardware, nothing else.



Show me an official IRGC statement on this, or is it yet another false claim by you?




Notice how none of what has anything to do with what I asked you:


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You seem think by trying to deflect on the issue that somehow that will take focus away from your disinformation. So why are you avoiding the question?

It was, my first post is basically a reply to a post about how Iranians wanting to invade Indonesia which is ironic since Iran barely has a green water navy and not nearly enough auxiliary ships to bring all that old tanks to Indonesia as well as securing the airspace for the landing. But being a 50 cent army that you are, you saw it as an opportunity to spread propaganda that I have seen over and over again whenever talks about Iran appeared.

So you are the one that actually changed subjects and avoiding answer as to why Iranians are always eager to add more countries to its list of enemies yet do nothing to walk the talk. Example: Israel, US.

 

[Philosopher]

It was, my first post is basically a reply to a post

That is irrelevant, I quoted you and asked you to address your statement on Iran's systems being fake i.e a military discussion. You are inserting other issues not related to that.

about how Iranians wanting to invade Indonesia

Right, because random Iranians on twitter speak for Iran's military.

which is ironic since Iran barely has a green water navy and not nearly enough auxiliary ships to bring all that old tanks to Indonesia as well as securing the airspace for the landing.

Iran would not even need to come to Indonesia, you have plenty of tankers in the Persian Gulf region.

But being a 50 cent army that you are, you saw it as an opportunity to spread propaganda that I have seen over and over again whenever talks about Iran appeared.
So you are the one that actually changed subjects and avoiding answer as to why Iranians are always eager to add more countries to its list of enemies yet do nothing to walk the talk. Example: Israel, US.

Once again, you're avoiding the question and instead just copy and pasting the same "Iran is not walking the talk" which has zero to do with my question. Is your strategy here to basically repeat yourself till you fall sleep?

 

[nufix]

That is irrelevant, I quoted you and asked you to address your statement on Iran's systems being fake i.e a military discussion. You are inserting other issues no related to that.



Right, because random Iranians on twitter speak for Iran's military.



Iran would not even need to come to Indonesia, you have plenty of tankers in the Persian Gulf region.



Once again, you're avoiding the question and instead just copy and pasting the same "Iran is not walking the talk" which has zero to do with my question. Is your strategy here to basically repeat yourself till you fall sleep?

Ahm yes? I dont have a 50 cent team using my account of course I need to sleep lol. Props to you for staying online 24h a day. What an efficient tool you are.

So you are admitting that IRGC is nothing more than pirates and incapable of launching invasion against Indonesia?

 

[Philosopher]

Ahm yes? I dont have a 50 cent team using my account of course I need to sleep lol. Props to you for staying online 24h a day. What an efficient tool you are.

So you are admitting that IRGC is nothing more than pirates and incapable of launching invasion against Indonesia?

Given you are essentially just polluting this thread at this point with just noise not related to the discussion I am waiting on, I will only focus on that going forward. So lets take the discussion back, you claimed the sources I provided were propaganda. Care to provide me with explanation why? Why is Uzi Rubin not a reliable source?

 

[nufix]

Given you are essentially just polluting this thread at this point with just noise not related to the discussion I am waiting on, I will only focus on that going forward. So lets take the discussion back, you claimed the sources I provided were propaganda. Care to provide me with explanation why? Why is Uzi Rubin not a reliable source?

Lets go back to my first post since you chose to reply to it. So you are admitting that IRGC is incapable of fulfilling the whims and wishes of Iranians who want to have it sent to Indonesia?

Is your strategy is to avoid this question until your contract with Iranian government ends?