Indonesia nabs 2 Chinese boats, dead Indonesian crewman found aboard

[Daniel808]

In case you missed it. It's our president who ignore the plea of the military to give east timorese the act of free choice. Lmao


You are just one of those traitors waiting for the day comes to raise chinese flag , thank god we live in a time which people could be easily tracked.

Every inch of Indonesian territory is an integral part of this country.

Saying what USA did to indonesia in East Timor case is OK, in order to licking USA boots. Is a traitor

What a disgrace

Whatever you say, I will never licking US and Japanese
Because a Weaker USA is the best interest of Indonesian sovereignty

 

[striver44]

Every inch of Indonesian territory is an integral part of this country.

, lmao @NEKONEKO did you remember the part where you ask this @Daniel808 on Natuna case, he answered that it's ok to do a compromise with china for a win win between the two

Every inch of Indonesian territory is an integral part of this country.

Saying what USA did to indonesia in East Timor case is OK, in order to licking USA boots. Is a traitor

What a disgrace

Whatever you say, I will never licking US and Japanese
Because a Weaker USA is the best interest of Indonesian sovereignty

lmao @NEKONEKO did you remember the part where you ask this @Daniel808 on Natuna case, he answered that it's ok to do a compromise with china for a win win between the two

 

[Nike]

What people don't know or tend to forget the first one to acknowledge the freedom of Timor Leste is not Australia or USA like most believe but People Republic of China, who already Made representative offices in Dili in 2000 while still under UN administration. Fretilin declaration in 1975 is acknowledge by PRC btw.

They are more cunning and sly then what you thought of them.

 

[striver44]

Btw @Daniel808 you don't have to try so hard, doesn't change the likely fact that your name is probably somewhere on some intel officer's desk.

 

[Daniel808]

lmao @NEKONEKO did you remember the part where you ask this @Daniel808 on Natuna case, he answered that it's ok to do a compromise with china for a win win between the two

Put my post in here then Don't stir my post

 

[striver44]

What people don't know or tend to forget the first one to acknowledge the freedom of Timor Leste is not Australia or USA like most believe but People Republic of China, who already Made representative offices in Dili in 2000 while still under UN administration. Fretilin declaration in 1975 is acknowledge by PRC btw.

They are more cunning and sly then what you thought of them.

I don't know that. Thanks

Put my post in here then Don't stir my post

@NEKONEKO

 

[Daniel808]

What people don't know or tend to forget the first one to acknowledge the freedom of Timor Leste is not Australia or USA like most believe but People Republic of China, who already Made representative offices in Dili in 2000 while still under UN administration. Fretilin declaration in 1975 is acknowledge by PRC btw.

They are more cunning and sly then what you thought of them.

But the one that send warships to confront Indonesia and pressure Indonesia is USA and Australia. Not China

I don't know that. Thanks


@NEKONEKO

A traitor praising American like you are the one that will be eradicated

Typical CIA propagandist agent

 

[Nike]

I don't know that. Thanks

Australian itself quite shocked to see Indonesia actually chose to let Timorese determined their fates and let them loose the votes. And actually thats quite a burden for Australian themselves as Indonesia departure quite sudden after the votes and let Timorese for themselves apparently.

From Sydney Morning Herald

Habibie wanted to solve the East Timor problem, about which he knew very little. In June 1998 he announced that Indonesia was ready to consider a special status for East Timor. This meant autonomy and was a major change in policy.

At a fateful cabinet meeting on January 27, 1999, Habibie brandished a letter sent by the Prime Minister, John Howard, the previous month suggesting that, after a period of autonomy, there should be an act of self-determination in East Timor.

Habibie considered it illogical for Indonesia to go on subsidising a costly autonomy which might well lead to independence. He had said privately to colleagues: "Why do we have this problem when we have a mountain of other problems? Do we get any oil? No. Do we get gold? No. All we get is rocks. If the East Timorese are ungrateful after what we have done for them, why should we hang on?"

So Habibie told his cabinet that Indonesia should move straight to a choice between autonomy and independence for East Timor. Surprisingly, the only dissenting voice was the foreign minister, Ali Alatas, who felt that such precipitous action was dangerous - not least for the East Timorese, who were ill prepared for independence.

Alatas apparently received no support. The economic ministers were glad to be rid of the cost. Some of Habibie's stronger Islamic ministers were happy "to be rid of 600,000 Catholics", as one put it. The minister for defence, General Wiranto, reportedly agreed with Habibie's decision on condition that there was no suggestion that the 1975 intervention in East Timor by the armed forces was wrong. He would not oppose Habibie, in the belief that Habibie's policy would fail, as would his attempt to be elected president. This would keep Wiranto's own political ambitions alive.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/what-australia-lost-in-timor-20030308-gdge41.html

China PRC never known for their effort to stabilize any would be conflict, they are destabilizing factor.

 

[nufix]

Yo, another shitshow thread, but this time it is not even between Indonesia and China like it is supposed to be, but between Indonesians.

Seriously @Nike, China and Chinese are two different things. Lets separate them first when talking about them. Meanwhile, @Daniel808 I have seen you reply in kind, which makes you more or less the same.

Together, you both just successfully derailed the discussion from an apparent abuse in the fishing industry to talks about racial division.

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Anyway back to the topic. The ex fishing ministry was aware of this potential issue back in 2016-2018, but further action was largerly opposed by some lobby groups within the government. Chinese fishing Industry is predatory, that one is for sure. But the government must first take care of these lobby groups in order to move forward towards expanding our own fishing industry. Meanwhile, we need to continue our patrol in the sea where fishing ships mostly come to like Natuna so that such inhumane treatment can be discouraged and prevented.

 

[Brainsucker]

Yo, another shitshow thread, but this time it is not even between Indonesia and China like it is supposed to be, but between Indonesians.

Seriously @Nike, China and Chinese are two different things. Lets separate them first when talking about them. Meanwhile, @Daniel808 I have seen you reply in kind, which makes you more or less the same.

Together, you both just successfully derailed the discussion from an apparent abuse in the fishing industry to talks about racial division.

—-

Anyway back to the topic. The ex fishing ministry was aware of this potential issue back in 2016-2018, but further action was largerly opposed by some lobby groups within the government. Chinese fishing Industry is predatory, that one is for sure. But the government must first take care of these lobby groups in order to move forward towards expanding our own fishing industry. Meanwhile, we need to continue our patrol in the sea where fishing ships mostly come to like Natuna so that such inhumane treatment can be discouraged and prevented.

I agree, and they want to drag me down here to join the crowd

 

[TheTruth]

China PRC never known for their effort to stabilize any would be conflict, they are destabilizing factor.

Ah, no thanks for not devaluing in 1998 when the white masters you worship were trying to tank your economy?

Good thing there are Indonesians who can think for themselves.

 

[antonius123]

I respect other Indonesian opinion about China on both extreme like @striver44 and also @antonius123 in the other extreme while @nufix and me are in between. And I also still have friendly attitude with Chinese members here and my point of view about SCS is that Indonesian and China can some how manage its differences just like what we are still seeing Today.

And Indonesia should put more R&D on defense industry instead of buying imported products as USA will keep the balance until the next 20 years. After USA is out of SCS due to economic decline and China rise, Indonesia should be able to withstand China influence in South East Asia, militarily and politically, with other SEA fellow while keep being friendly to China (avoid any military conflict). If Indonesia can keep growing 5-6 percent until 24 years from now inshaALLAH, it means Indonesia GDP will likely to reach 6 trillion USD.

I think this economic power is quite enough to deter possible aggressive intention by China future leadership, particularly if Indonesia can have good defense industry, thus our huge defense spending can still supportive for our economy. Possible Indonesia and China warmer relation could also highly possible in the future.

While you @Daniel808 have negative attitude toward Indonesia which seen in many post, including your energetic behavior to put Indonesian down when Chinese member open a thread about Indonesian maid. Even you also made one if I am not mistaken.

Thanks. It is good to see how you are showing respectable behavior in pdf, not like some other fellows.

Btw I am not that extreme as @striver44, I am not promoting or spreading propaganda anti certain country here nor supporting domination of a certain country. I am just to a level of admiration. But my preference is still in line with Indonesian political stand: "free and active", meaning we are not supporting any block of power, but we take advantage of the 2 competing powers. When we are pressurized by US we use China while we are pressurized by China we use US. Actually balance of powers is good, none of them are more powerful than the other.

The real contest should be between @striver44 vs @Daniel808, not between me vs striver44.

China PRC never known for their effort to stabilize any would be conflict, they are destabilizing factor.

Do you see otherwise with US, Russia, Japan, Europe geopolitics?

Political is always about self interest, do not expect benign motive from there. Applied for whole country: China, US, Russia, Japan, Australia, UK, etc. The more powerful a country the more they will have interest to influence other countries so that those countries wont fall into the influence of the other competing world power.

What happened in 1965 in Indonesia is a good example of how competing powers at that time end up with destabilization of Indonesia.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Chinese sailor faces trial over torture death of Indonesian aboard fishing vessel


Song Chuanyun was named a torture suspect on Monday following four days of questioning in Indonesia after the authorities last week intercepted two Chinese boats in the Malacca Strait heading from Singapore to Argentina.

He said the Indonesian crew members suffered abuse and horrific conditions aboard the Chinese vessel.

Police were now chasing several individuals in Indonesia who worked at an agency recruiting crew members for the two Chinese boats.

Song worked as a crew coordinator on the Lu Huang Yuang Yu 118 and frequently beat Indonesian crew members, including 20-year-old Hasan Apriadi, whose body was kept inside a freezer since late June, according to Dharmanto.

"The victim was sick but forced to work. So he was beaten. After being tortured, the victim was left without food for three days before he died," Dharmanto said.

Preliminary autopsy results showed the victim suffered many wounds on his body after being hit with an object, police said.


https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...hinese-fishing-vessel-malacca-strait-12928248

This thing will happen again in the future. If we let the Chinese run amok.

 

[Menthol]

I never agree to send our workers to work in foreign countries, just because they are cheap.

Because I can already predict this kind of case.


If we still want to do it...

It must have a tight regulation and surveillance of their work condition and salary.

The foreign company and agency should be registered in our country thru a very tight process and well checked.

 

[Nike]

https://international.sindonews.com...angkap-ikan-yang-ada-jasad-abk-wni-1594714040