Indonesia is afraid of China's Military

[ArsalanKhan21]

Be realistic, if we're yapping like you do, it will drag unnecessary conflict which can be avoided. Not pretend but choosing the least worse than both worst option.

Indonesia still have time accelerate buying and upgrading their air force and navy. Indonesia will soon lose Natuna Islands and will have nobody to blame but itself.

 

[Indos]

I dont feel proud that we buy so many aircraft from Boeing and Airbus, but it does speak about our potential market that will benefit our aircraft makers (PT Dirgantara and PT RAI)

About 100 R-80 preliminary orders from domestic airlines is something to be proud of since it is our own made plane

Another Indonesian passenger aircraft made ( N-219 ) has also taken about 145 preliminary orders. It's break even point is just around 45 planes sale. And it is cheaper than western made ones with much better technology and more cost efficient

Almost ready to fly........

N-219

 

[Shotgunner51]

LOL ... i will save my words until to see a real KF-X prototype fly out in the sky. Right now S.Korea just designed T-50 jet trainer with Lockheed Martin help ... try jumping 3-gen fighter to design 4.5-gen fighter with helps from foreign competitor. They not only need Good Luck, also will need more money + aviation experince + production tech + stealth tech + foreign jet engine to develop this project ... 10billion USD not enough,costs will add.

Sure, just like many others, this wouldn't be easy!
By the way, how many countries have inducted 5G jets so far?
Even my question is wrong, I assume "countries".
There are no "countries", no "competitors".
Only U-S-A, and two jets (F22, F35) inducted, so relax bro.
All others are concepts, prototypes, test beds, ... outside of US not even one jet get inducted.
Relax bro ...

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Indonesia still have time accelerate buying and upgrading their air force and navy. Indonesia will soon lose Natuna Islands and will have nobody to blame but itself.

Another false superstition. Who said we stay idle and do nothing there? We build up our military presence. With shukhoi fighter jets, apache(planned), new naval port, new airstrip, new military facilities, and new SCS Joint patrol operation center with US (planned).

But, this move is NOT made to confine certain countries. This is to ensure freedom and savety of naval navigation around Natuna water and SCS. Also to reduce pirates and illegal poachers activities within Indonesia's water.

 

[Jlaw]

Vietnam is actively stealing fish from Indonesian waters?

Vietnam have been stealing islands in SCS and China's history/language/culture. Stealing fish is a walk in the park for these folks.

. Has Vietnam made a superpower video yet?

Not yet. But their entertainment industry is horrid. Most local Vietnamese watch Chinese movies and tv series. That is something Viet nationalist do not want outsiders to know.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Vietnam have been stealing islands in SCS and China's history/language/culture. Stealing fish is a walk in the park for these folks.
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You are talking yourself, china, not Vietnam.

 

[Jlaw]

T-50 and F-35 are very expensive for VN to aquire them in mass quantity. China can sell J-31 at discounted friendship price or for free...like back in 1940. Anything is possible.

LOL. We know Viets are backstabber for centuries it ain't going to happen--just beg US for F-35 and Arleigh class destroyers

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

How coward compared to somebody wants other to fight for him? While he's poor and uneducated but still hoping anybody want to be he's ally.

Be realistic, if we're yapping like you do, it will drag unnecessary conflict which can be avoided. Not pretend but choosing the least worse than both worst option.

You must learn to fight for yourself, before you can fight for others....

 

[Indos]

Lol, we helped Malaysia to fight their rebel during Soeharto era by sending troops there, helping Pakistan by sending two submarine in 1965, and invaded East Timor (under Fretilint party / Left party ) during cold war (1975) (at that time we were at USA side).

We have helped a lot our (real) friends

 

[Nike]

You must learn to fight for yourself, before you can fight for others....

Meh, for a country who barely can swim you talk big

 

[Jlaw]

This is current situation of China J-31 project

Future, it will be like this... compared with F-22 with the same painting.

And China J-31 can provide next-gen cockpit in it.

Join China J-31 stealth fighter project, it's good for Indoneisa like China ever helped Pakistan's JF-17 project ... until to 2020 when domesitc WS-13 jet engine mature, J-31 will be more stealth & powerful. FUTURE IS HERE !

China instead of pimping J31 they should concentrate their manpower with J20 and other aviation projects....

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

What is this coward nonsense. We certainly NOT pretend and close our eye toward what really happen in SCS. We build and strengthen our military presence there. Give your comment on your comrade viva_viet revelation below and please educate him.

he is Mr sub-Mekong aka NiceGuy I guess LOL, he can say what he wants, but does not represent of the majority of Vietnamese people.....

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

You can argue who is the trouble maker and who is not...but you cannot argue against one thing: the US is now welcomed into the SCS by alot of Asian countries. First it was the Philippines, VietNam, Singapore and even now a neutral country like Indonesia is also welcoming the US into the region.

You can argue that the US is bad, but you must accept the fact that all these Asian countries are asking the US to stay in Asia.

No matter how these countries suck up with US, that is not gonna deter China, not because you receive US's backing mean you can directly come to have a direct military confontration with China beside barking louder...dare trying to modify the status quo or escalade the SCS tention, you will see that the trouble makers will end up like losers as usual at the desperation of Americans, they can only hopeless and helplessly watch and barking in the US congress and in media to comfort these Asian nations...that all Amercans can afford

But you said you don't care, then why do you care what US have to complaint??

As I said, if China let US complaint the hack out of it, then American would be the bad guy in this scenario. But the facts is while you said China don't care, yet you comment on American have no need to complain what China did, that is being "cared" as I said, you can't have it both way, you care, and you have a comment over it, and you look like a bad guy, you don't care, you don't have any comment, you look like a good guy. You can say you don't care but you insisted on commenting on it, and want people to see you as a good guy.

US being the bad guy and have comment on everything, but that doesn't mean that China good to comment on what US did. it takes two to tango...

what kind of logic is this?

 

[jhungary]

No matter how these countries suck up with US, that is not gonna deter China, not because you receive US's backing mean you can directly come to have a direct military confontration with China beside barking louder...dare trying to modify the status quo or escalade the SCS tention, you will see that the trouble makers will end up like losers as usual at the desperation of Americans, they can only hopeless and helplessly watch and barking in the US congress and in media to comfort these Asian nations...that all Amercans can afford



what kind of logic is this?

lol, that's all I can say..........LOL

do carry on.

 

[Viet]

No matter how these countries suck up with US, that is not gonna deter China, not because you receive US's backing mean you can directly come to have a direct military confontration with China beside barking louder...dare trying to modify the status quo or escalade the SCS tention, you will see that the trouble makers will end up like losers as usual at the desperation of Americans, they can only hopeless and helplessly watch and barking in the US congress and in media to comfort these Asian nations...that all Amercans can afford

what kind of logic is this?

actually how we manage our external relation is NOT your business. just fck up.