Indonesia invites ASEAN to engage in defense industry

[Reashot Xigwin]

Nani Afrida, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | National | Tue, February 09 2016, 5:07 PM

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Coordinating Maritime Affairs Minister Rizal Ramli has conveyed a plan to improve the national defense industry by encouraging countries in Southeast Asia to obtain minority stakes in the Indonesian defense industry.

“Indonesia invites countries in ASEAN to hold stakes in the defense industry […] Depending on only domestic tax for the defense industry might be dull,” Rizal said on Monday as quoted by Antara news agency.

Rizal was in Mataram to attend the National Mass Media convention, a press event aimed at addressing challenges regarding the development of the country’s maritime axis vision.

He said involving other parties in the country’s defense industry could help the sector to develop.

Currently Indonesia has several companies that focus on defense, namely state-owned land system and weapons maker PT Pindad, aerospace industry player PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PT DI) and shipbuilding company PT PAL.

According Rizal, when France dominated the Airbus company, its sales were low. However, after several European countries joined Airbus, the company became a European aerospace giant and defeated US-based aircraft manufacturer Boeing.

He added he believed the defense industry in Indonesia could experience the same success if it invited ASEAN members to obtain stakes.

Rizal also said the maritime industry in Indonesia had the momentum at present to succeed globally.

However, Rizal noted that Indonesia still lacked the ability to develop brand and marketing strategies when selling its defense industry’s products overseas.

PT Pindad president director Silmy Karim said that before divesting defense industry stakes to other countries, Indonesia should have clear reasons for doing so.

“What is the reason behind the divestment? Is there technology transfer? Or is it to increase sales? Or as defense diplomacy? The stance should be clear,” Silmy told The Jakarta Post on Tuesday.

According to Silmy, the defense industry was very different to the commercial industry, citing the development of Airbus.

- See more at: Indonesia invites ASEAN to engage in defense industry | The Jakarta Post

Soft power...

 

[xunzi]

Can't really compare to France's Airbus situation because when others join Airbus, they bring a wealth of technological knowledge and money. Nobody is advance in ASEAN. Well except Singapore but even Singapore is not heavy industry advance country. The only thing ASEAN can offer is words of encouragement. The bulk of the R&D work will remain Indonesia workload and responsibility.

Also btw, don't let the Vietnamese join. They will likely copy to boost their own defense industry for their selfish gain. LOL

 

[Dzul]

for business purpose, this is a good idea

 

[Zero_wing]

This is perfect for the Philippines especially for the GA

 

[Nike]

In summary we want investment to boost our defense industry capability. But we dont want any string to be attached, and make sure we can get to secure another markets with some benefits for both side

 

[Aepsilons]

Can't really compare to France's Airbus situation because when others join Airbus, they bring a wealth of technological knowledge and money. Nobody is advance in ASEAN. Well except Singapore but even Singapore is not heavy industry advance country. The only thing ASEAN can offer is words of encouragement. The bulk of the R&D work will remain Indonesia workload and responsibility.

I agree in principle. Words of encouragement and investment is the only thing we can offer our friends, the Southeast Asians. They can do it.

Also btw, don't let the Vietnamese join. They will likely copy to boost their own defense industry for their selfish gain. LOL

They are our cousins, afterall. They have to start somewhere , i suppose. Creative borrowing helps in the creative process.

 

[dichoi]

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Cambodia honors 2 Vietnamese for building new army vehicle

TUOI TRE NEWS

UPDATED : 11/10/2014 17:04 GMT + 7

The armored personnel carrier made by Tran Quoc Hai and his son.
Tuoi Tre News

King Norodom Sihamoni of Cambodia has issued recognition certificates to two Vietnamese for helping Cambodia repair armored vehicles and even create a new one for the country’s military. The duo have also been awarded medals of honor for their contributions to Cambodia’s technological development.

Tran Quoc Hai, a self-taught engineer known for homemaking his own aircraft in Vietnam, and his son Tran Quoc Thanh, hailing from the southern Tay Ninh province, were awarded the military medals this October after the two helped repair damaged armored personnel carriers and even build a brand-new one for the Cambodian army.

Cambodia also certified that the father and son are professional repairmen of made-in-Soviet BRDM 2 and BTR60PB armored personnel carriers.

When Hai went to Cambodia to fix a wheat planting machine at Cambodian Army’s 70 Brigade, he saw that several armored vehicles failed to start and expressed his intention to repair them.

After receiving a nod from local authorities, Hai started to repair the BRDM 2 on a US$25,000 budget, initially sourced from his own pocket. The carrier he fixed reduces its consumption of fuel from 45 liters of diesel to 25 liters and is capable of firing from a shorter distance.

After this achievement, Hai has been assigned by the 70 Brigade to fix 10 more armored vehicles and to build brand-new ones.

After four months, Hai and his son successfully made their own armored personnel carrier. His vehicle is able to fire targets at a distance of 7m, instead of 150 meters as old ones do, and is equipped with fire power on both sides.

Cha con 'Hai lúa' chế tạo xe thiết giáp cho Campuchia - Thời sự - Zing.vn

 

[Cossack25A1]

Maybe this time the local companies here in the Philippines will be able to get support in developing locally designed Wheeled IFVs.

 

[Aepsilons]

Maybe this time the local companies here in the Philippines will be able to get support in developing locally designed Wheeled IFVs.

Your country has an impressive shipbuilding facilities and known around the world for seamanship and professionalism. Actually in Japanese Merchant fleets, we employ Filipinos actively due to reliability and hard work. In fact we prefer Filipinos actually. I would be happy to someday see your country militarize your various shipbuilding facilities. There is no reason Manila cannot build ASWs, LSTs, and eventually her own warships (frigates , corvettes ) in the future. Would like to see Japan's cooperation with Manila in this aspect, actually.

 

[Nike]

Your country has an impressive shipbuilding facilities and known around the world for seamanship and professionalism. Actually in Japanese Merchant fleets, we employ Filipinos actively due to reliability and hard work. In fact we prefer Filipinos actually. I would be happy to someday see your country militarize your various shipbuilding facilities. There is no reason Manila cannot build ASWs, LSTs, and eventually her own warships (frigates , corvettes ) in the future. Would like to see Japan's cooperation with Manila in this aspect, actually.

their shipbuilding industries is mostly foreign owned and had expertise in commercial shipbuilding, the government owned is small ones and largely inefficient. If they want to build a shipyard to producing warships they need massive investment (in terms of technology, infrastructure and expertise) at that.

 

[Cossack25A1]

Your country has an impressive shipbuilding facilities and known around the world for seamanship and professionalism. Actually in Japanese Merchant fleets, we employ Filipinos actively due to reliability and hard work. In fact we prefer Filipinos actually. I would be happy to someday see your country militarize your various shipbuilding facilities. There is no reason Manila cannot build ASWs, LSTs, and eventually her own warships (frigates , corvettes ) in the future. Would like to see Japan's cooperation with Manila in this aspect, actually.

Sadly, when it comes to military naval assets, we have to rely on second-hand ships, or in the case of newer ships, procure them from other countries, such as the case of Makassar-class LPD and the recent news of a new-design frigate all involving foreign firms, three of which are from South Korea.

It is also better to improve ground forces by having new wheeled vehicles that will replace the Cadillac Gace Commando vehicles and complement the GKN Simba which were procured sometime in the '90s and this news is a good starting point.

 

[Aepsilons]

their shipbuilding industries is mostly foreign owned and had expertise in commercial shipbuilding, the government owned is small ones and largely inefficient. If they want to build a shipyard to producing warships they need massive investment (in terms of technology, infrastructure and expertise) at that.

Still, their shipbuilding industry is one of the largest in the world.They have the infrastructure, they have the workmanship, they have the resources, all they need now is just more capital.


Facts And Developments In The Philippines’ Shipbuilding & Maritime Industry

• The arrival of foreign shipbuilders in the Philippines propelled the export growth of Philippine-made ships in the international market. After being recognized as the fifth largest shipbuilder in the world, shipyards established in the Philippines are now building more ships of larger tonnage capacities like bulk carriers, container ships and passenger ferries. The construction of 180,000-DWT commercial ship by Hanjin Heavy Industries Corporation, a South Korean shipbuilding giant, shows that the Philippines can really build world-class ocean-going vessels.

• The Philippines is quickly becoming a global shipbuilding hub by using the skills and resources of foreign players. In 2010, the country surpassed its European rivals and has since become the fourth-biggest shipbuilding nation, after China, South Korea and Japan.

• Available slots and a growing diverse range of products on offer have propelled the Philippines to the top of the global shipbuilding leaderboard for the first time. The Southeast Asian archipelago beat South Korea into top spot for order intakes for April, according to Clarkson Research. The Philippine yards won newbuildings of 590,000 cgt, followed by Korea with 530,000 cgt, China taking 290,000 cgt and Japan grabbing 150,000 cgt of orders on April 2015

Some pictures of Philippines' Shipbuilding Industry (one of the largest in the world):

 

[Aepsilons]

Sadly, when it comes to military naval assets, we have to rely on second-hand ships, or in the case of newer ships, procure them from other countries, such as the case of Makassar-class LPD and the recent news of a new-design frigate all involving foreign firms, three of which are from South Korea.

It is also better to improve ground forces by having new wheeled vehicles that will replace the Cadillac Gace Commando vehicles and complement the GKN Simba which were procured sometime in the '90s and this news is a good starting point.

You don't give your nation enough credit; the Philippines has the potential to match Indonesia, given, your country has proven itself able to design its own strategic naval vessels. For example the newly launched transport ship to the Philippine Navy, the BRP Tagbanua, which was built by your Nation's naval construction firm -- Philippine Iron Construction and Marine Works. The BRP Tagbanua is the largest Philippine-made naval vessel to be made, and is epitome of your nation's independent infrastructure and ability. All that is needed is more capital to make more orders of such a ship, and to improve and enlargen the sizes of such vessels. Let's be frank here, @Cossack25A1 , it is not as if the Philippines is without capability --- your country is already THE GLOBAL HUB for shipbuilding industry; not only ship building, but ship repairs, and ship salvation processes. There is a REASON why major Asian Economies such as Japan and Korea have chosen Philippines as port of origin for our many businesses there. Reliability. Simple. Compared to others in ASEAN, Philippine standard of workmanship is very high.

Anyways, without further ado, the BRP Tagbanua:

One step at a time, Filipinas. One step at a time. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a small step.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Possible item being developed for the ASEAN market:

Pindad Smart Bomb

Source: Indonesia Military News & Discussion Thread | Page 604

 

[Cossack25A1]

You don't give your nation enough credit; the Philippines has the potential to match Indonesia, given, your country has proven itself able to design its own strategic naval vessels. For example the newly launched transport ship to the Philippine Navy, the BRP Tagbanua, which was built by your Nation's naval construction firm -- Philippine Iron Construction and Marine Works. The BRP Tagbanua is the largest Philippine-made naval vessel to be made, and is epitome of your nation's independent infrastructure and ability. All that is needed is more capital to make more orders of such a ship, and to improve and enlargen the sizes of such vessels. Let's be frank here, @Cossack25A1 , it is not as if the Philippines is without capability --- your country is already THE GLOBAL HUB for shipbuilding industry; not only ship building, but ship repairs, and ship salvation processes. There is a REASON why major Asian Economies such as Japan and Korea have chosen Philippines as port of origin for our many businesses there. Reliability. Simple. Compared to others in ASEAN, Philippine standard of workmanship is very high.

Anyways, without further ado, the BRP Tagbanua:

One step at a time, Filipinas. One step at a time. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a small step.

It is a global hub, but most of the shipbuilders are foreign firms, yet the local shipbuilding industry has not made any upgrades that would allow the said local shipbuilders to make warships, thus this invitation by Indonesia can help us build our own local warship in the future.

As for why Japan and Korea chose the Philippines a port origin has more to do with being "strategic location" with what you just said is secondary reason.