India's oil imports from Iran jumped sharply in 2014

[Foggy_Bottom]

US is a Superpower.They will try to intimidate other nations for their own purpose.If the victim has resources like oil or gas then there is no doubt they will
try to destroy them.

And Iran is proud independent Islamic Republic they dont sacrifice their national honour and interests for some foreign power.
So like any other nation they stood up against US when they tried to intimidate them.

Now US is in a full of diplomatic mess due to ISIS and Ukraine .They cant afford another warfront with Iran.So they winded up their threat tactics.


Iran also has some advantage. Whatever it nation like India and China cant afford a military action against Iran .Because our energy security is depend upon Iran .
Our Mangalore refinery can only works with Iranian hydrocarbon.

I am not sure which school of thought you proscribe to, but had it been Sweden whom were trying to get nuclear weapons- we would have put the same pressure and sanctions in place. NO country going forward after India/ Pakistan is going to be allowed to start a nuclear weapons program by any of the members of the security council. The council has members other than the U.S., where all to the sanctions, including China.

There is no diplomatic mess with ISIS or Ukraine. Terrorists organizations like ISIS don't sit at a diplomatic table where solving their demands can be done through diplomacy.. Ukraine is simply about a country annexing parts of another. It's against modern international law. Putin can go back to status quo as it were and all the sanctions would go away.

Then I would ask why did you start negotiating with Americans back 70s?
10 years ago American were saying Iran should not have even one single centrifuge let alone a nuclear program by 20000 centrifuges and planning to instal more but now they have accepted our right to enrich and sanctions (base on deal) will be lifted while we enrich uranium.

Don't mistake @Chinese-Dragon comments as those of sound and real advice by someone who actually knows about ground realties please. He is looking at it through the tunnel vision of his internet bias. He seems to forget that his own government agreed to the sanctions against Iran within the U.N security council and that no permanent security council member wants anyone going forward to have nuclear weapons, period.

 

[Pangu]

What did we give up?

And in many cases you have used Iran nuclear program as trump card in your negotiations with west, you have never vetoed any sanctions against us and betrayed us any time you desired.

China Opposes Iran Sanctions Sought by U.S.- 2009

China vetoes new round of U.N. sanctions against Iran - 2010

China, Russia Resist Sanctions Against Iran
- 2011

Russia, China Veto Motion on Iranian Sanction Violation - 2013

That should put things into perspective for you. Ultimately the ball is in your court. If you guys cannot get yourself out-of-the-rut, then you can only blame yourselves. We've already done what we can.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

China Opposes Iran Sanctions Sought by U.S.- 2009

China vetoes new round of U.N. sanctions against Iran - 2010

China, Russia Resist Sanctions Against Iran
- 2011

Russia, China Veto Motion on Iranian Sanction Violation - 2013

That should put things into perspective for you. Ultimately the ball is in your court. If you guys cannot get yourself out-of-the-rut, then you can only blame yourselves. We've already done what we can.

The U.N sanctions in place were agreed to by China. Just because you were against some odd bits here and there, it does not absolve you from the facts.

 

[raptor22]

You gave up any chance of having nuclear weapons, and thus any chance of repelling an American invasion.

That's a bad position to be in.


If you hate us so much, then you can stop selling us oil anytime.

We buy around 50% of Iranian oil, I'd love to see who else would be willing (or even able) to buy that much from Iran.

Saudi is currently waging a price war in terms of oil, they say they want to push it down to $20 a barrel. And given their enormous currency reserves (by far the largest of any major oil producer), they can definitely do it, and sustain it for years.

The only results in the aftermath of a probable nuclear war is nothing but annihilating of both side something we don't want it moreover Iran without nuclear weapons enjoys enough deterrence to repel any invasion from any country.
And who said we hate you? You seek your national interest nothing more . remember Russia canceled S-300 contract?
I hope Iran export in oil sector would plunge into ZERO and Saudi has got right to sell its oil cheaper than a dime their oil their policy. they would lose more than what we lose as far as they sell more oil furthemore it's not all about Iran and Russia they don't want lose their market that's why they offer cheaper oil to western countries instead of eastern countries to counter shale oil production.

 

[SrNair]

I am not sure which school of thought you proscribe to, but had it been Sweden whom were trying to get nuclear weapons- we would have put the same pressure and sanctions in place. NO country going forward after India/ Pakistan is going to be allowed to start a nuclear weapons program by any of the members of the security council. The council has members other than the U.S., where all to the sanctions, including China.

There is no diplomatic mess with ISIS or Ukraine. Terrorists organizations like ISIS don't sit at a diplomatic table where solving their demands can be done through diplomacy.. Ukraine is simply about a country annexing parts of another. It's against modern international law. Putin can go back to status quo as it were and all the sanctions would go away.



Don't mistake @Chinese-Dragon comments as those of sound and real advice by someone who actually knows about ground realties please. He is looking at it through the tunnel vision of his internet bias. He seems to forget that his own government agreed to the sanctions against Iran within the U.N security council and that no permanent security council member wants anyone going forward to have nuclear weapons, period.

But noone of this nation used their nukes against another country except one.This is all about power for ruling the entire world.
No offense ,sir but AFAIK from my nations history US always showed double face .Until 1998.US and allies sanctioned us after that and then you came for us and lift all those sanctions.

UN should be the front runner of nuclear non proliferation .Involvment of individual nation and allies would only make matters worse.

But we also like a good relation with US .After all in politics there is only permanent interests.
US also knows that .That is why they refrained from using excess pressure against to cut the oil imports from Iran.
A relation with Iran is also important to us.

 

[yavar]

.They cant afford another warfront with Iran.So they winded up their threat tactics..

may brother i think you wrong on this .
the reason the U.S does not go to war with us is NOT because threat tactics .
my advice to you is to listen to Iran IRGC Brig Gen Panah to understand better

.
Iran also has some advantage. Whatever it nation like India and China cant afford a military action against Iran .Because our energy security is depend upon Iran ..

again may brother i think you wrong on this .
China is NOT Iran freind neither Iranian stablishment look at China as freind . China is just one country which we have miochol enemy so we cooperate
my advice to you is to look in to Iran China history to understand better .

we do need neither need Chia or India i case of war with U.S . i can promise you on that

 

[SrNair]

may brother i think you wrong on this .
the reason the U.S does not go to war with us is NOT because threat tactics .
my advice to you is to listen to Iran IRGC Brig Gen Panah to understand better

again may brother i think you wrong on this .
China is NOT Iran freind neither Iranian stablishment look at China as freind . China is just one country which we have miochol enemy so we cooperate
my advice to you is to look in to Iran China history to understand better .

we do need neither need Chia or India i case of war with U.S . i can promise you on that

Bro ,you should follow some of Chanakyas idealogy in cases like this.War is not that easy like you said.Know your enemyies strength,deal with them through good diplomacy and talks.If the enemy is power is less than you then you can go to war with them.If enemy is equal to or above of your strength then make a pact with them for your own nations people welfare and nation.
You know,we know and entire world know US strength.In military terms ,in curre.t scenario it is impossible to challenge US.
Look at that Iraq and other parts ,a hell in the earth ..


I agree with you.Their is no permenant friend only permanent interests.But US cant go to a war that affects our energy security .May they can do that but it will create anti US opinion in other nations including Muslim nation.



Again this is just my personal opinion.
You have your own decisions and national policy .I hope for a good relation with Iran and good prosper Iran.

 

[yavar]

You know,we know and entire world know US strength.In military terms ,in curre.t scenario it is impossible to challenge US.
Look at that Iraq and other parts ,a hell in the earth ..
.

brother there is no problem of you having opinion.

but i disagree with you .
i think the problem is you not wear of Iran military power .

i got news for you the days of U.S attacking country and the U.S main land be quite and safe has long gone .


trust me here in Iran we are fully a wear of U.S military power and capabilities . we all know US has thermonuclear weapons hydrogen bombs and number of it warheads and delivery capabilities missiles ICBMs and SLBMs . + U.S air force + U.S submraine force +
and U.S space weapons and every platform which secret that U.S can launch from ex ++++++++++++++++++++++++


i am saying to you with full awareness U.S military strength and trust me everybody in decision making war preparation in IRGC is fully aware of that .
trust me when i say Islamic Republic does NOT need any country when it come to war with U.S .. trust me on that .


I leave you with this link below so you understand better from Wendy Ruth Sherman Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, the fourth-ranking official in the U.S : she has access to classified files

Wendy Sherman deception is part of Iranian DNA

At a meeting with US Senators on October 3, Sherman, who is the State Department’s third-ranking official, used offensive language apparently targeted at Iranians by saying, “We know that deception is part of Iranian DNA.”

PressTV-Iran criticizes US official’s remarks

trust me on this

 

[B+ Dracula]

Bro ,you should follow some of Chanakyas idealogy in cases like this.War is not that easy like you said.Know your enemyies strength,deal with them through good diplomacy and talks.If the enemy is power is less than you then you can go to war with them.If enemy is equal to or above of your strength then make a pact with them for your own nations people welfare and nation.
You know,we know and entire world know US strength.In military terms ,in curre.t scenario it is impossible to challenge US.
Look at that Iraq and other parts ,a hell in the earth ..


I agree with you.Their is no permenant friend only permanent interests.But US cant go to a war that affects our energy security .May they can do that but it will create anti US opinion in other nations including Muslim nation.



Again this is just my personal opinion.
You have your own decisions and national policy .I hope for a good relation with Iran and good prosper Iran.

Please! Shed your Chankya light 4 us......we're waiting anaxiously

 

[jarves]

Please! Shed your Chankya light 4 us......we're waiting anaxiously

Its Chanakya not Chankya and he was born in Pakistan.Its funny how most of the Pakistanis know nothing about him.

 

[SrNair]

brother there is no problem of you having opinion.

but i disagree with you .
i think the problem is you not wear of Iran military power .

i got news for you the days of U.S attacking country and the U.S main land be quite and safe has long gone .


trust me here in Iran we are fully a wear of U.S military power and capabilities . we all know US has thermonuclear weapons hydrogen bombs and number of it warheads and delivery capabilities missiles ICBMs and SLBMs . + U.S air force + U.S submraine force +
and U.S space weapons and every platform which secret that U.S can launch from ex ++++++++++++++++++++++++


i am saying to you with full awareness U.S military strength and trust me everybody in decision making war preparation in IRGC is fully aware of that .
trust me when i say Islamic Republic does NOT need any country when it come to war with U.S .. trust me on that .


I leave you with this link below so you understand better from Wendy Ruth Sherman Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, the fourth-ranking official in the U.S : she has access to classified files

Wendy Sherman deception is part of Iranian DNA

At a meeting with US Senators on October 3, Sherman, who is the State Department’s third-ranking official, used offensive language apparently targeted at Iranians by saying, “We know that deception is part of Iranian DNA.”

PressTV-Iran criticizes US official’s remarks

trust me on this

I have a good respect about your confidence.
Long live Indo-Iranian relation.

 

[raptor22]

Bro ,you should follow some of Chanakyas idealogy in cases like this.War is not that easy like you said.Know your enemyies strength,deal with them through good diplomacy and talks.If the enemy is power is less than you then you can go to war with them.If enemy is equal to or above of your strength then make a pact with them for your own nations people welfare and nation.
You know,we know and entire world know US strength.In military terms ,in curre.t scenario it is impossible to challenge US.
Look at that Iraq and other parts ,a hell in the earth ..


I agree with you.Their is no permenant friend only permanent interests.But US cant go to a war that affects our energy security .May they can do that but it will create anti US opinion in other nations including Muslim nation.



Again this is just my personal opinion.
You have your own decisions and national policy .I hope for a good relation with Iran and good prosper Iran.

 

[opruh]

The U.N sanctions in place were agreed to by China. Just because you were against some odd bits here and there, it does not absolve you from the facts.

Well at least China buys oil from Iran which definitely provides economic relief to them, unlike your country that continues to give suffering. This statement is a fact.

Your government is only good at giving warnings and threats.

 

[raptor22]

Well at least China buys oil from Iran which definitely provides economic relief to them, unlike your country that continues to give suffering. This statement is a fact.


Your government is only good at giving warnings and threats.

But unlike many countries it has been able to prevent war against its own soil for years and has experienced stability in a region full of chaos. America doesn't hesitate a second to wage war against a government with empty threats.

 

[gambit]

Oil, eh ? People should be extremely careful when they talk about oil and its politics.

Venezuela, under Hugo Chavez, thought it is better to deny the US access to Venezuelian oil and so Venezuela sold to the Chinese. The problem is that Venezuelian crude oil is thick and heavy with contaminants to the point that not everyone wants it. Few countries could refine it. In the Western hemisphere, guess whose refineries could work on Orinoco crude ? Yes, US refineries, the ones on the Gulf coast.

Hugo Chavez offered the Chinese a deal the Chinese could not resist: Venezuela would subsidize Chinese transport of Orinoco crude.

What the Chinese did: They took Venezuela's offer and sold Orinoco crude to US refiners at a discount and even with that discount, the Chinese still pocket a good profit. In short, they loaded Venezuelian crude on to their tankers, took a short run northward, then offloaded that Venezuelian crude to US refineries.

The Oil Drum | Tech Talk - Venezuela, heavy crudes, API gravity and refinery gains

...heavy Venezuelan crude that, until now, has largely been sent to specialized refineries in the United States that are designed to handle it.

This past year the flow to China is reported to have increased to 362 kbd. It might be noted that the recent diplomatic leaks known as the Wikileaks saga has revealed cables that suggest that China was getting some of this oil for $5 a barrel, and then selling it for more on the open market, including possibly to the USA.

Venezuela paid the Chinese for transportation cost from China to Venezuela to the US. Yeah...Real smart, Hugo.

So just because a country produces oil, that does not mean all oil are the same and the differences of quality among producers have major influences on global politics, including stupid ones from Venezuela.

As a side note, what is the quality of shale oil from the US ?

The economics of shale oil: Saudi America | The Economist

The benefits of shale oil are bigger than many Americans realise. Policy has yet to catch up

They buy light, sweet American crude for less than the global price, turn it into petrol and then sell that at the global price.