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India's Demonetization Looking Good - IIP Up 5.7% For November

Basically, the informal sector will become smaller and the formal sector will become bigger.
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There needs to be a fundamental change in India's economy if we are to progress further.

On that note - I really hope that Govt. cuts the taxes. That would encourage more companies and individuals to start declaring tax.
 
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Yes.
There needs to be a fundamental change in India's economy if we are to progress further.

On that note - I really hope that Govt. cuts the taxes. That would encourage more companies and individuals to start declaring tax.

I think that's a long term goal. We need sustainable growth if we are to reduce taxes. We don't have that right now.
 
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I can give you anecdotal evidence. I know of a couple of businesses that were totally operating in cash before DeMo hit them.

Because of this they are now registering companies and have said that all future business will be conducted in white to avoid the trouble they went through(emotional + mental trauma) to convert their money(which they did successfully, every last penny) after DeMo happened.

So the way I am seeing it is that the black money that GoI expected not to come into the system has actually come in.

So, no short term gain, but long term financial cleansing of the system, improved tax compliance are among the major benefits that will accrue to the nation.

That's good to know but let's see if people go back to their old habits or not once there is enough cash in the market. I fear they would because people hate paying taxes.
 
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That's good to know but let's see if people go back to their old habits or not once there is enough cash in the market. I fear they would because people hate paying taxes.
This is a major concern.

Which is why I think two steps are essential:
1. Reduce tax rates uniformly across India - both income tax and corporate tax rate. Remove the exemption raj in taxes.Low taxes and no exemptions will go a very long way in making people pay tax.

2. Keep the cash supply around 20% lower than what it was before demonitization was implemented. Let there be a slight scarcity in the market so that people continue to use cheques and electronic transactions instead of falling in the old way of using cash.
 
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80% normalcy restored in currency.
Another kick in the asse to Loot India Party - Khangress party :rofl:
 
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2. Keep the cash supply around 20% lower than what it was before demonitization was implemented. Let there be a slight scarcity in the market so that people continue to use cheques and electronic transactions instead of falling in the old way of using cash.
I think that was the mistake with the old 500 and 1000 rupee notes. too many were printed leading to a glut. this time there will be a break on the printing

Govt has indicated that 200 rupee will be restricted and more (new) 500 will be printed. I think initially more 200 was pushed to ease the immediate pressure. now 500 will be more and 2000 will be just a backup

moreover it is difficult to use 2000 for day to day transactions.

Overall liquidity in the market will be curbed
 
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I think that was the mistake with the old 500 and 1000 rupee notes. too many were printed leading to a glut. this time there will be a break on the printing

Govt has indicated that 200 rupee will be restricted and more (new) 500 will be printed. I think initially more 200 was pushed to ease the immediate pressure. now 500 will be more and 2000 will be just a backup

moreover it is difficult to use 2000 for day to day transactions.

Overall liquidity in the market will be curbed

There should be a transaction limit for cash put in force by govt...i.e above certain amount cash cannot be used etc.

I am hoping to see this in the budget session.
 
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There should be a transaction limit for cash put in force by govt...i.e above certain amount cash cannot be used etc.

I am hoping to see this in the budget session.

Cash withdrawal charges. Cash withdrawal limit. Cash transaction limit. Digital cash benefits.

I hope they introduce these quickly because they go hand-in-hand.
 
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India's economic and monetary reforms are commendable no matter how poorly executed.
 
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We should never place too much weight on just one economic statistic. But that India's industrial production rose 5.7% in November is an interesting number just the same. For this is really the first hard number we've had concerning the Indian economy to include part of the period of demonetization. And it's not a bad number -- so perhaps the chaos of the process hasn't done that much short term economic harm? However, it's also true that there's a significant fault line in Indian economic statistics, one that's much larger than in most other economies that we study. That's the division between the formal and informal parts of said Indian economy. And that does make this number, as with so many others, harder to interpret.

The news itself:

A sharp jump in the November factory output numbers comes as a pleasant positive surprise for the economy amid slowdown stories in the aftermath of demonetisation. The index of Industrial Production (IIP) rose to a 13-month high of 5.7 percent in November compared with a contraction of 1.8 percent in the month of October.

There are qualifiers that should be applied here:


In fact, the IIP in November (175.8) was lower than October 2016 (178.1), suggesting industrial production actually dropped sequentially, as was mostly the case in earlier months as well. “Going by the production trend in some sectors such as auto, next month’s (December) IIP growth data may be more indicative of the impact of demonetization,” Crisil Research wrote after Thursday’s data release.

Year-over-year figures as against the monthly acceleration, the slight change in the date of Diwali moving the holiday from one month to another. The qualifications can all be argued about. But it's also true that an expansion of industrial output in the month of demonetization is not evidence of some great catastrophe that accompanied the move.

Consumer inflation fell in December 2016 to 3.41%, the lowest since November 2014, leaving room for the Reserve Bank of India to cut rates next month. CPI inflation was marginally higher at 3.63% in November 2016.

Consumer inflation falling is also a good thing.

We must be careful about all of these numbers though. Yes, it's interesting that these are the first hard ones on the Indian economy since demonetization. The most recent official figures, to be used for the coming budget, rely upon data collected up to about the end of October. Everything since then is a forecast. But in the way that time passes so we'll start getting real numbers out of the economy which include the demonetization period.

But the vast majority of India's economy is over in the informal sector which produces two problems for us. The first is that survey data like this new IIP number are obviously easier to collect from the formal than the informal economy. So the numbers are biased by sector. And we can also construct models--but then we can construct economic models to include just about anything--where the impact of demonetization is much greater upon the informal sector than formal. Even, that there could be a rise in the formal sector, one smaller than the loss in the informal, as a result. The informal sector could be entirely cash reliant, the formal one able to pick up lost business by already having access to bank accounts and electronic payments.

Thus we're still in the dark. Economic statistics just aren't good enough as yet for us to be able to work out the full effects of something we've already done. One interesting lesson of which is that we just shouldn't be trying to plan an economy. For if we don't even know the effects of what has been done how can we predict the effects of what we might do?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...ng-good-iip-up-5-7-for-november/#2018d0cb3da8


Didn't these forbes publish how bad it is and will destroy the laborers and poor of India due to demonetization?
Immediate turn?
 
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Cash withdrawal charges. Cash withdrawal limit. Cash transaction limit. Digital cash benefits.

I hope they introduce these quickly because they go hand-in-hand.

Sounds good. A lot support it too. But problem is our rural population will not be comfortable with it.
Too many things as you said, might back fire.
Modi ji will end up becoming one time Atal. That is what i fear.

We need him till 2024 to put things in place.
 
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