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Is something rotten in the state of Indian capitalism? In the uproar over corruption that has gripped the nation's middle class since the New Delhi Commonwealth Games last October, it's hard not to detect a sourness over the allegedly outsize influence of big business on government. If the venal politician is the equivalent of Dr. Evil in the popular imagination, then Mini-me, his sidekick, is a deep-pocketed tycoon with access to the corridors of power.

India's incipient anti-business rhetoric misdiagnoses both the problem and the solution. Unlike Suharto's Indonesia or post-Soviet Russia, India's business landscape is not dominated by classic crony capitalists, but by genuine businesses that need more than the right connections to thrive. And as shown by the dodgiest sectors of the economy—real estate and telecom—India's trouble is not too much capitalism, but too much government control.

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New Delhi Commonwealth Games chief organizer Suresh Kalmadi.

At no point since the advent of economic reform in 1991 has private enterprise been in such poor odor. Niira Radia, a lobbyist for two of India's best known businessmen, Ratan Tata and Mukesh Ambani, has become a symbol of the $40 billion 2G scandal: the 2008 allocation of telecom spectrum to private firms at allegedly throwaway prices. About half a dozen top executives of telecom firms caught up in the scandal are cooling their heels in Delhi's squalid Tihar jail awaiting trial. The income-tax department tapped Ms. Radia's phones; tapes of these were released last year, leading to more revelations about corporate India's nexus with New Delhi.

By now the contours of the case against an out-of-control business class—as alluring as it is misleading—have become familiar. As Brown University professor Ashutosh Varshney and former McKinsey consultant Jayant Sinha argued in a widely cited op-ed in the Financial Times earlier this year, "India has 6.9 per cent of the world's 1000 or so billionaires, while its gross domestic product is only 2.1 per cent of world GDP."

The total wealth of India's 55-odd billionaires comes to about 20% of GDP, a proportion rivaled only by infamously crony capitalist Russia. Many of India's richest have allegedly used political and regulatory connections to augment their fortunes.

Look at things another way, however, and a different picture emerges. A cursory comparison of the 20 richest people or families in India and Russia reveals dramatic differences. In India, only one of the top 20, K.P. Singh of DLF Limited, made a fortune in real estate, where, thanks to primitive record keeping and convoluted regulations, official favor carries disproportionate weight. Another, Sunil Mittal of Bharti Enterprises, is a telecom tycoon. (This is not to suggest any wrongdoing on either Mr. Singh's or Mr. Mittal's part.)

Two more of the top 20, Anil Agarwal of Vedanta Resources and Kumar Mangalam Birla of the Aditya Birla Group, owe their fortunes in large part to mining and metals and commodities respectively, favorite targets of those who bemoan India's alleged turn toward crony capitalism.

But Mr. Agarwal's fortune was built largely in Africa, and says more about his drive and business acumen than about India's political economy. Similarly, Mr. Birla has built a globally competitive Indian multinational spanning aluminum, telecom and cement. The fortunes of the other 16 people on the list encompass steel, petrochemicals, information technology, health care, media and banking, hardly the symbols of a typical crony capitalist economy.

Even those who apparently benefit from having the right connections, such as the Ambani brothers, have built real businesses that create consumer value and tens of thousands of jobs. In Russia, by contrast, 10 of the 20 richest owe their wealth at least partially to their control of natural resources including coal, metals and oil and gas. Many of Russia's fortunes were created not by building viable businesses, but by asset-stripping government firms acquired through official favor.

None of this is to suggest that Indian businessmen are saints. Indeed, operating in a country that ranks a lowly 87 in Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index—between Malawi and Djibouti—few can afford to be as squeaky clean as their counterparts in better run climes. And if economic reforms keep stalling, the next generation of the megarich in India may well come mainly from mining, real estate and construction, where the ability to bend a politician's ear counts for more than the ability to read a balance sheet.

Nonetheless, as India's anti-corruption effort begins to resemble a dog chasing its own tail, spawning more government oversight to combat the failure of government oversight, it makes sense to repeat a few truisms that a more mature polity would have learned by now.

First, historically speaking India's businesses overall, and especially small and medium-sized ones, have been more victim than victimizer, shackled by 40 years of socialism and the travesty of the license-permit Raj. Even today, the World Bank ranks India a dismal 134 out of 183 in terms of ease of doing business. Second, successful countries find ways to attract wealth creators rather than chase them away.

In the end, India's problems stem not from crony capitalism but crony socialism, the continued hold of an often corrupt and inept political class on economic decision making. Like most countries, India could do with greater competition and fewer barriers to entry for new businesses. But it's India's politicians and bureaucrats who need reining in, not its billionaires.

Sadanand Dhume: India's Crony Socialism - WSJ.com


Very old article but related to our current economic problems.
 
This is why I have stated before....it will get worse before it gets better. We will have the illusion of economic porgress but the reality will be far different. The military will have to step in to take corrective measures at some point. I don;t adovcate for such, but seeing how politics in India has died. Its all about who you know and getting your family members elected to your seat......business as usual. Where is the real change?

Look at how Lok Pal? Look at Anna Hazara? Look at Kiran Bedi and how they tried to malign her good name? She was a damn good cop? She truly cleaned up. Do any of you think she is an anti nationalist? Working for the CIA? F-king morons.
 
. The military will have to step in to take corrective measures at some point. I don;t adovcate for such,
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You don;t have to resort to such tactics. You live comfortably in the UK, so you don't truly care. You are a scab and bootlicker of the British. You probably work for their security agencies. Looking at some of your posts, you seems to be a plant. Have some self respect.
 
This thread was for discussing our economic and public policies not for fighting, please express your views in a cordial way. The point of discussion is whether we should have central planning or we should have laissez-faire free markets. Whether the govt reduces the poverty or whether the govt increases the poverty by its welfare programs. The best author on this subject is frederic baistat, the french economist of i guess 1850s. His important writings were 'The invisible hand of the govt'.
 
Free markets are not exactly "free." That is the core problem. Corporations and Capitalists in fact cause more damage in the long run if unchecked.
 
If the capitalists and corporations(C&C) make big money through honest business, than it should not be a problem. For example bill gates and his company produced the windows operating system and he didn't put a gun on anybody's head and forced them to buy his products. But people voluntarily bought his products and he became rich. We should not be afraid of people like that. If C&C get rich because they are in bed with the govt, or because they work for the govt, or they get rich with help of the govt which creates barriers for their competitors products or services in the market,or they become rich because of govt contracts(Mining etc.,), than we should be afraid of them. Then that system would be called crony markets , rather than free markets.

That's why we better follow the advice of Thomas Jefferson ""If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." .

Free markets are not exactly "free." That is the core problem. Corporations and Capitalists in fact cause more damage in the long run if unchecked.
 
If the capitalists and corporations(C&C) make big money through honest business, than it should not be a problem. For example bill gates and his company produced the windows operating system and he didn't put a gun on anybody's head and forced them to buy his products. But people voluntarily bought his products and he became rich. We should not be afraid of people like that. If C&C get rich because they are in bed with the govt, or because they work for the govt, or they get rich with help of the govt which creates barriers for their competitors products or services in the market,or they become rich because of govt contracts(Mining etc.,), than we should be afraid of them. Then that system would be called crony markets , rather than free markets.

That's why we better follow the advice of Thomas Jefferson ""If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." .




Jefferson is my favorite Prez. The example you gave is one way to look at it. But I suggest you look at the role of corporations and capitalism in agriculutre has raised the prices of many foods. There needs to be checks and balances in place on sensitive areas which is great for us. The dilemma I see is that corporations and capitalism push technology and product development to the forefront but it comes at a price determined by shareholders. And thats fine, if you don;t want it, don't buy it. But then Corporation via lobbyists push their demands and bribe politicians to do their bidding. So what was once free choice, has suddenly become mandated by law. Environmental laws that were once in place suddenly get rewritten and changed to appease the Corporate demands. Why? So they continue to make huge profits at our expense. Its a very complicated issue. So I think the future for the world and for India should public-private partnership under Social Finance where development is made with the needs of the ppl in mind. The publi being involved have a stake in the progress as it benefits them not just greed. Making a profit wil have a different meaning and criteria. Enough to continue new development yet drain our resources. All this keeping our future and safety in mind. What do you think? In kerala, Public-private partnerships in buiding airports have resulted with good results. Its might not be the best in the world but its does an effective job.
 
My friend do you know why the soviet union collapsed, it collapsed because the politburo was unable to decide the price of bread. Why they were unable to decide the price of bread, cause it doesn't matter what price they decide they didn't had enough food. When people started to die of hunger, especially the children, that's when the soviet union disintegrated. The rise in prices indicates a lot of things, may the prices of agriculture produce has not risen it may be that the purchasing power of rupee has gone down and you need more monetary units to buy the same thing. It also indicates the cost of farming has risen. It also may indicate that farmers are making more money in other sectors than agriculture because of which the food supply has gone down and the price has gone up. Capitalism in agriculture actually keeps the foods prices cheaper, because the farmer gets the capital before farming and can do effective farming because of it. If the farmers don't have capital upfront effective farming cannot be done affecting the farm output , which will result in less supply of food and higher prices as a result. It is better to have a lot of food at higher prices than no food at lower prices.

You have raised an important if the lobbyists thus goto the politicians, but politicians should not have the power to to give them benefits(The first article of thread was about this thing). Thats why i suppoert less laws , cause less laws means less control of markets. Politicians must take oath to the constitution not to the corp orates or anybody else. As far as the agriculture being a sensitive area is concerned , thats why i suggested free markets in agriculture so that we won't end up like the soviet union. The govt intervention in agriculture from last 65 years has destroyed it. We need to free up the markets now in agriculture immediately. Principles are important and not collectivism.


Public-private partnership is nothing but another form of crony capitalism


Jefferson is my favorite Prez. The example you gave is one way to look at it. But I suggest you look at the role of corporations and capitalism in agriculutre has raised the prices of many foods. There needs to be checks and balances in place on sensitive areas which is great for us. The dilemma I see is that corporations and capitalism push technology and product development to the forefront but it comes at a price determined by shareholders. And thats fine, if you don;t want it, don't buy it. But then Corporation via lobbyists push their demands and bribe politicians to do their bidding. So what was once free choice, has suddenly become mandated by law. Environmental laws that were once in place suddenly get rewritten and changed to appease the Corporate demands. Why? So they continue to make huge profits at our expense. Its a very complicated issue. So I think the future for the world and for India should public-private partnership under Social Finance where development is made with the needs of the ppl in mind. The publi being involved have a stake in the progress as it benefits them not just greed. Making a profit wil have a different meaning and criteria. Enough to continue new development yet drain our resources. All this keeping our future and safety in mind. What do you think? In kerala, Public-private partnerships in buiding airports have resulted with good results. Its might not be the best in the world but its does an effective job.
 
You don;t have to resort to such tactics. You live comfortably in the UK, so you don't truly care. You are a scab and bootlicker of the British. You probably work for their security agencies. Looking at some of your posts, you seems to be a plant. Have some self respect.

Says the guy who`s location is NYC :coffee:
 
Is something rotten in the state of Indian capitalism? In the uproar over corruption that has gripped the nation's middle class since the New Delhi Commonwealth Games last October, it's hard not to detect a sourness over the allegedly outsize influence of big business on government. If the venal politician is the equivalent of Dr. Evil in the popular imagination, then Mini-me, his sidekick, is a deep-pocketed tycoon with access to the corridors of power.

India's incipient anti-business rhetoric misdiagnoses both the problem and the solution. Unlike Suharto's Indonesia or post-Soviet Russia, India's business landscape is not dominated by classic crony capitalists, but by genuine businesses that need more than the right connections to thrive. And as shown by the dodgiest sectors of the economy—real estate and telecom—India's trouble is not too much capitalism, but too much government control.

I completely agree on that.
 

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