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India's bid for NSG: Members countries talking about alternate plan if China remains unmoved

NEW DELHI: When China says India's bid for membership to the Nuclear Suppliers Group is not on the plenary agenda, it isn't entirely inaccurate because that's exactly the consensus Beijing is trying to block. As a result, NSG members are even informally talking about an alternate plan if China remains unmoved.

The impasse goes back to the technical meet in Vienna on June 9. The Indian application was accepted, which meant it technically passed the bar to be discussed for discussed for consideration at Seoul. It was at that point China raised the red flag saying NSG had to first arrive at a consensus on admitting countries which have not signed the Nonproliferation Treaty.

The NSG has always worked by consensus, not voting. So China did block India's case from making it on the formal agenda but that did not stop 29 out of 48 countries from speaking on India's membership during that meet. Sources told ET that majority of them spoke in favour of India's membership. But with the Chinese digging their heels , Argentina, the current chair of the NSG, along with some other countries have informally been discussing a Plan B.

This involves setting up a time-bound working group that will lay down the benchmarks for non-NPT countries to join the grouping. The argument is that such an arrangement would allow the matter to at least come up on the agenda in Seoul. And from an Indian standpoint give it a definite timeframe. While variants of this model are being informally discussed, India is keen to seal the membership before the Obama presidency ends.

With this in mind, India has pursued a 'peeling the onion' strategy. This meant systematic targeting of possible naysayers through its key backers. So if it leaned on us to bring countries like Mexico on board, it had Germany work on Switzerland and Australia on New Zealand. Gradually, numbers have dwindled with only a few doubtful cases. India's calculations hinge on peeling the onion in a way that China remains the last country standing.

New DELHI, sources said, is working to take the situation to a point that Beijing will have to explain why it's opposing India's aspirations. And also why such a move could be a permanent setback to the India-China relationship. That's where Prime Minister Narendra Modi's possible meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping on the margins of the SCO summit a day before the NSG main plenary is crucial, added sources.

China has until now avoided to specifically oppose India in the open. Always, sources said, it has tried to find supporters to show its actions are not unilateral. For this reason, South Block believes this high-stakes diplomacy will go down to the wire in Seoul.
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...hina-remains-unmoved/articleshow/52841834.cms
 
NSG will be strengthened if India joins: Canada
Sachin Parashar
At a time when questions are being raised about India’s non-proliferation credentials, one of world’s leading proponents of the international non-proliferation regime, Canada, has come out openly in support of India. It said the presence of India will actually strengthen the NSG's export controls.
| TNN | Jun 20, 2016, 11.22 PM IST

Highlights
  • Canada has said the presence of India in the exclusive nuclear club will actually strengthen the Group’s export controls
  • Canada had entered into a civil nuclear agreement with India based on the 2008 clean waiver to India
  • Canada’s acting high commissioner Jess Dutton has said Canada is trying to create consensus on India's entry to NSG


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NEW DELHI: At a time when questions are being raised about India's non-proliferation credentials, one of world's leading proponents of the international non-proliferation regime, Canada, has come out openly in support of India saying that the presence of India in the exclusive nuclear club will actually strengthen the Group's export controls.

Ahead of the NSG plenary later this week in Seoul, Canada also said that it was encouraging all NSG members to join in the consensus needed to achieve this objective "at the earliest possible date''.

"India's role in international nuclear commerce is bound to keep growing in strength as the size of India's fleet of nuclear power plant, already one of the world`s largest, rapidly increases,'' Canada's acting high commissioner Jess Dutton Monday told TOI.

"As such, we believe India's membership in the NSG will reinforce the international nuclear non-proliferation regime,'' he added.

Dutton's remarks to TOI came on a day China claimed that the issue of India's NSG membership wasn't even on the agenda for the Seoul meeting of the 48-nation Group. Dutton said Canada was working actively to create a consensus for India's membership.

"The NSG stands to benefit from the active participation of Indian technical specialists in helping the Group strengthen the international control of nuclear goods and technologies and help strengthen domestic controls on nuclear exports,'' said Dutton, adding that India was ready to become an active member of NSG.

Canada entered into a civil nuclear agreement with India based on the 2008 clean waiver to India by the NSG for nuclear trade despite New Delhi not having signed NPT. Canada is now a significant source of uranium for India. Unlike in the case with a few other members of the Group who had supported India in 2008, Canada's support to India and its acknowledgement of India's non-proliferation credentials remain unwavering despite it regarding NPT as the mainstay of its policy to promote disarmament, non-proliferation and peaceful uses of nuclear energy.

"Given its nuclear non-proliferation credentials, we believe India has demonstrated that it is ready to become an active and constructive member of the NSG. We strongly encourage all NSG members to join in the consensus needed to achieve this objective, at the earliest possible date,'' said Dutton.

Canada's voice carries a lot of weight with many other members of NSG who regularly profess commitment to NPT as the cornerstone of their disarmament and non-proliferation policies. Canada was also one of the 7 original members of NSG which itself was formed in 1975 as a reaction to India's nuclear testing the previous year. The plutonium which India used for its 1974 nuclear test was sourced from a reactor supplied by Canada.

Canada is also an important member of the Vienna Group of Ten, a group of 10 "like-minded'' countries who work together on issues related to NPT and all of which are members of NSG. At least 3 members of this Group - New Zealand, Austria and Ireland - are said to have reservations about allowing India as a non NPT signatory into the NSG. In the NSG meeting though in Vienna earlier this month, some of these countries were said to have relented a bit as they sought a process for inclusion of non-NPT states and not a one-time exception for any country.

Dutton said Canada had been a strong supporter of Indian membership in the NSG for many years and had been actively engaged in efforts to create the consensus required to allow India to join the Group. "We welcomed India`s recent application for membership, as well as its formal adherence to the NSG Guidelines in mid-May of this year," he said

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...f-India-joins-Canada/articleshow/52840946.cms

China assures Pakistan of continued support over NSG
Beijing ‘paving way’ for Islamabad’s entry, not going for a deal with New Delhi at ally’s cost
June 20, 2016
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ISLAMABAD - China yesterday assured Pakistan there will be no deal with India over the Nuclear Suppliers Group at the cost of the traditional ally, The Nation learnt.

China, official sources said, had pledged not to back down on its assertion that if the NSG countries make an exception for India, they should do the same for Pakistan.

Pakistani diplomats spoke to the Chinese counterparts yesterday after Indian External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj claimed China was not opposed to India's entry to NSG and was only focused on procedure. She also showed optimism that India will win Chinese support over the NSG membership.

Her comments come days after India’s foreign secretary S Jaishankar visited China and canvassed the issue of the NSG a week ahead of the plenary meeting of the group scheduled to be held in Seoul on June 24, where India’s membership is likely to be discussed.

Regarding Pakistan’s bid to enter to the NSG - the nation China is batting for - she said applications should be considered on merit, adding India was not opposed to Pakistan’s membership. “We wouldn't like to oppose anyone's entry to the nuke club. But we would like every country's application to be considered on merit,” she remarked.

China has been leading a group of nations that are holding out against India's membership to the 48-nation club that trades in advanced nuclear material and technology.

The US has already extended its support for India's inclusion in the NSG. British premier David Cameron has also assured Prime Minister Narendra Modi of the UK's ‘firm support’ for India's membership. Russia and Switzerland have also backed India's entry.

New Delhi already enjoys most of the benefits of NSG membership under a 2008 exemption to the NSG rules to clear the decks for nuclear deal with Washington, even though India has developed atomic weapons and never signed the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty - the main global arms control pact.

A senior official at the foreign ministry told The Nation, Pakistan immediately contacted China to verify Sushma Swaraj’s claims.

“They have assured us they will not let us down. Chinese officials said there will be no deal with India at the cost of Pakistan,” he added.

Another official said Beijing told Islamabad it was trying to pave way for Pakistan’s membership of the elite group. “If India goes into the NSG, there is every chance Pakistan will also get in,” he said, quoting Chinese counterparts.

Foreign office spokesman Nafees Zakaria said Pakistan was opposed to ‘countries-specific exemptions’ for the membership of NSG. He said Pakistan was for level-playing field and criteria based approach which treats the applications of Pakistan and India in a non-discriminatory manner. He said the two applications cannot be considered in isolation from the goal of maintaining strategic stability in South Asia.

Adviser to Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz and PM’s Special Assistant on Foreign Affairs Tariq Fatemi have been in contact with counterparts with all the influential countries to get backing for Pakistan’s NSG bid and stop India’s solo entry into the elite group.

The two top diplomats said they were continuing to reach out to the other countries to ensure Pakistan’s application for NSG membership sails through.

Sartaj Aziz has been advocating that criteria should be evolved to grant membership of NSG and then it should be applied to all the aspiring countries. He believes besides China, several NSG member countries were supporting Pakistan’s stance.

On June 9, the 48-nation NSG held a special meeting in Vienna, Austria to consider applications from the two South Asian nations, both of whom posses atomic weapons and have not signed the NPT.

When it became obvious that China will not allow India to join the NSG, a spokesman for the US State Department urged Pakistan to present its application before the entire group. Meanwhile, now annual plenary session will be held in Seoul, South Korea, on June 23-24.

Senior analyst Dr Huma Baqai said the NSG membership of India does not figure too much in US policy. “Pakistan also deserves to be member of this group because Pakistan’s nuclear command and control structure is very safe. Indo-US cooperation is increasing in defence sector but Washington also realises the needs of Pakistan as well,” she maintained.

She said Indian lobby in Washington was very strong in moulding the opinion of US lawmakers in New Delhi’s favour.



Published in The Nation newspaper on 20-Jun-2016

http://nation.com.pk/national/20-Jun-2016/china-assures-pakistan-of-continued-support-over-nsg
 
What ever happens from here on, China will have come out worse.

To be frank China's image has taken a beating among people of India. with a Huge trade deficit in it's favour and with India planning spend billions in Infra projects, will Chinse be the losers?
On top of all this, India can really make things tough for a lot of Chinese companies that export to India.
 
China says India’s entry not on NSG meet agenda, other group members differ
  • Sutirtho Patranobis and Pramit Pal Chaudhuri, Hindustan Times, Beijing / New Delhi
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File photo of Chinese President Xi Jinping, US President Barack Obama and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in Washington, DC. China is stonewalling India’s membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group though the US is supporting it. (AFP)


  • India’s entry into an elite club controlling nuclear technology is not on the agenda of the group’s meeting this week, China said on Monday, but diplomats from the bloc’s other member-states insisted New Delhi’s candidature will be taken up.

    China has stonewalled India’s membership of the 48-member Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) on the grounds that it is not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). The group, set up in response to India’s first nuclear test in 1974, aims to prevent the proliferation of atomic weapons.

    Ahead of the NSG’s annual plenary meet in Seoul on June 23-24, Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said India’s application to join the group was not on the agenda.

  • “I want to point out the NSG agenda has never covered any issue concerning non-NPT countries joining the NSG. As we understand the annual conference in Seoul this year also has no such kind of issue or topic,” Hua told a regular news briefing.

    The opinion of member countries is divided not only about India’s inclusion but also on the entry of all non-NPT members, she said.

    Differences in the bloc

    But diplomats from other NSG member countries differed with the Chinese perspective, saying their understanding was the issue of new members will be taken up on the final day of the two-day meet.

    The NSG, being an informal body, has no fixed agenda and issues taken up at meetings depend on the views of members. New Delhi hopes several countries will raise the question of its membership and force China to take a stand, the diplomats said.

    The US on Monday said it continues to call member nations to back India’s membership, further indicating that New Delhi’s application is, contrary to the Chinese assertion, on the agenda.

    “We continue to call on the participating governments of the NSG to support India’s application at the plenary session this week in Seoul,” US state department spokesman John Kirby said.

    South Korea, which currently holds the NSG chairmanship, is expected back India.

    China adopted a similar position when India secured a US-backed exemption from NSG sanctions in 2008 as part of the landmark nuclear deal between the two countries. Even then, Beijing had declared the Indian exemption was not on the agenda, but the US had raised the issue and Germany, the then chairman, had accepted it for discussion.

    India has ramped up efforts to win backing for its NSG bid, reaching out to key world capitals such as Washington and London and sending foreign secretary S Jaishankar on a low-key visit to Beijing last week to lobby for its inclusion.

    China’s categorical statement came just a day after external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj said Beijing was not against New Delhi’s inclusion but was talking “only about the criteria and procedures”.

    Read | China not protesting our NSG bid, only talking of procedure: Swaraj

    ‘Need for consensus’

    Hua told the news briefing India’s bid is not in a “matured” stage, and needs consensus and detailed discussions among NSG members because New Delhi still has not signed the NPT, the “cornerstone” pact against the spread of nuclear weapons.

    The NSG works on the principle of consensus and a single hold-out country can spoil India’s chance to be part of the grouping.

    Beijing’s stance might make a meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and President Xi Jinping on the margins of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) summit in Tashkent on June 23 awkward.

    After Monday’s statement, it is also unlikely Modi and Xi will be able to work out a last minute deal before the NSG plenary ends on June 24.

    India has argued that joining the NSG will give it access to technology needed for clean energy. China has spearheaded the campaign to prevent India’s inclusion while saying that its “all weather ally” Pakistan should be treated at par with India.

    Pakistan and Namibia too have applied to join the NSG.

    (With inputs from HTC, Washington, DC)

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...bers-differ/story-wI6mJ2sPtyIWzzJHlPqNoK.html

What ever happens from here on, China will have come out worse.

To be frank China's image has taken a beating among people of India. with a Huge trade deficit in it's favour and with India planning spend billions in Infra projects, will Chinse be the losers?
On top of all this, India can really make things tough for a lot of Chinese companies that export to India.

If China stalls Indian application not only its relations with India sour but also with major powers of the world who are actively supporting India's membership.

Very interesting to see China's stand when it is the last man standing.
 
India's bid for NSG: Members countries talking about alternate plan if China remains unmoved

NEW DELHI: When China says India's bid for membership to the Nuclear Suppliers Group is not on the plenary agenda, it isn't entirely inaccurate because that's exactly the consensus Beijing is trying to block. As a result, NSG members are even informally talking about an alternate plan if China remains unmoved.

The impasse goes back to the technical meet in Vienna on June 9. The Indian application was accepted, which meant it technically passed the bar to be discussed for discussed for consideration at Seoul. It was at that point China raised the red flag saying NSG had to first arrive at a consensus on admitting countries which have not signed the Nonproliferation Treaty.

The NSG has always worked by consensus, not voting. So China did block India's case from making it on the formal agenda but that did not stop 29 out of 48 countries from speaking on India's membership during that meet. Sources told ET that majority of them spoke in favour of India's membership. But with the Chinese digging their heels , Argentina, the current chair of the NSG, along with some other countries have informally been discussing a Plan B.

This involves setting up a time-bound working group that will lay down the benchmarks for non-NPT countries to join the grouping. The argument is that such an arrangement would allow the matter to at least come up on the agenda in Seoul. And from an Indian standpoint give it a definite timeframe. While variants of this model are being informally discussed, India is keen to seal the membership before the Obama presidency ends.

With this in mind, India has pursued a 'peeling the onion' strategy. This meant systematic targeting of possible naysayers through its key backers. So if it leaned on us to bring countries like Mexico on board, it had Germany work on Switzerland and Australia on New Zealand. Gradually, numbers have dwindled with only a few doubtful cases. India's calculations hinge on peeling the onion in a way that China remains the last country standing.

New DELHI, sources said, is working to take the situation to a point that Beijing will have to explain why it's opposing India's aspirations. And also why such a move could be a permanent setback to the India-China relationship. That's where Prime Minister Narendra Modi's possible meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping on the margins of the SCO summit a day before the NSG main plenary is crucial, added sources.

China has until now avoided to specifically oppose India in the open. Always, sources said, it has tried to find supporters to show its actions are not unilateral. For this reason, South Block believes this high-stakes diplomacy will go down to the wire in Seoul.
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...hina-remains-unmoved/articleshow/52841834.cms
What do you mean other members differ? who are these members.

Just wanted to know how many countries are opposing Pakistan and how many are opposing india? just want to know how isolated is Pakistan if we go by indian rants

China and some other countries has already said that india should sign NPT and they can join otherwise then both india and Pakistan should be allowed to enter without signing NPT.
 
Why China is Playing a Tougher Game on the NSG This Time Around
By Andrew Small on 20/06/2016Leave a comment


The Shaheen-III missile is displayed during the Pakistan Day parade in Islamabad, Pakistan, March 23, 2016. A portrait of Pakistan’s national poet Allama Muhammad Iqbal is seen in the background. Credit: REUTERS/Faisal Mahmood

Nearly eight years ago, after being left in a minority of one, China backed down under intense pressure from the United States and acquiesced to the exemption for India in the Nuclear Suppliers’ Group (NSG). With India’s membership up for consideration this week at the NSG’s plenary meeting in Seoul, an outright repeat of these events appears unlikely. In contrast to 2008, when Beijing hid behind other opponents until each and every one of them had been peeled off, this time China has made its position clear. Unless a deal is done in the coming days, most observers are betting that China will stick to its guns. What has changed? And how far is Beijing’s opposition likely to go?

On Monday, China responded to the Indian external affairs minister’s statement that Beijing was not opposed to Indian membership. “The inclusion of non-NPT members has never been a topic on the agenda of NSG meetings. In Seoul this year, there is no such topic,” the Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson said. “We have stressed that the NSG is still divided about non-NPT countries entry into the NSG and under the current circumstances we hope that NSG will make thorough discussions to make a decision based on consultation.”

China’s stance certainly cannot be attributed to any profound attachment to the NSG’s rules. The nuclear plants that China is building in Pakistan may help to address that country’s dire energy situation but no other member of the NSG accepts the claim by Chinese officials that each and every new reactor was “grandfathered” into China’s original membership agreement.

While this violation has not been deemed sufficient to warrant blowing the group up, it has been an ongoing demonstration that China sees the institution through a largely political prism. And Beijing’s position on Indian membership is undoubtedly politically hyphenated: boiled down to its essentials, China is willing to back India’s entry if there is a clear route for Pakistan to join the club too. Beijing did belatedly attempt a similar manoeuvre during the late stages of the negotiations in 2008 but the proposal that Pakistan might be granted a matching exemption to India’s attracted more incredulity than support from other NSG members.

This time, Chinese attempts to push for a conditions-based process that would keep the door open to Pakistan’s future entry elicit greater sympathy. Other countries also have their reservations about an ad hominem approach to membership for non-NPT states. Nonetheless, with the largely successful diplomatic push by the Indian government and its supporters reaching the final stages, it is possible that China will be left as the only hold-out once again.

Under Hu Jintao, that would likely have proved sufficient. China was reluctant to be diplomatically isolated, virtually always seeking some degree of political cover from others. Beijing was wary about going toe-to-toe with Washington on issues deemed to be top-tier strategic priorities, which the NSG waiver certainly was. It had a counter-move in its back pocket too, in the shape of its deal with Pakistan on a new phase of Chashma reactors, an NSG exemption by fiat, from which only its own nuclear industry would benefit. And Beijing was wary of doing too much damage to its bilateral relationship with India for the sake of a Pakistan that was still reeling from the A.Q. Khan proliferation scandal, one in which China was itself implicated – the bomb designs that showed up in Libya, to take just one example, being of Chinese origin. Very few considerations suggested that this was a propitious moment to make a stand, though even then it was a close, last-minute call.

This time, virtually none of these conditions are the same.

President Xi Jinping is a more forceful leader than his predecessor, more comfortable with playing great power politics and less anxious about the repercussions of throwing China’s weight around. The United States has less capacity to press China to change its position, and the dynamics between Washington and Beijing are far more competitive than they were in 2008. U.S. officials, however hard they push, will not be able to repeat the same trick. There is also no obvious back-up plan if China agrees to Indian membership without concomitant assurances about Pakistan’s future position, which, given the requirement for unanimous decision-making at the NSG, could permanently entrench a framework that disadvantages its closest partner. And this time, there is more at stake for China in being seen to stick up for the interests of its Pakistani friends.

China is not about to make a fundamental break with its non-alignment policies but in a context where Beijing is in the process of establishing its first overseas military facilities, and engaging in an intensifying strategic contest with the United States, credibility with friends and quasi-allies matters more than it did. Pakistan has been the surprising pace-setter in Xi Jinping’s “Belt and Road” initiative, and over the last year Chinese intellectuals have taken to describing the country as China’s “one real ally”, with the relationship a “model to follow”. For all the supposed constancy of their “all-weather friendship”, this was not the tone in 2008. Standing up for Pakistan now is not only about the bilateral relationship but also about China’s reliability as a partner, and the demonstration effect in this high stakes case would have resonance well beyond Seoul.

The sole countervailing factor is that China will not want to cause real damage to its relationship with India over the NSG, which matters far more to New Delhi than it does to Beijing. China knows that there would be repercussions for higher-salience issues, such as the South China Sea and the future scope of U.S.-India ties. It will also be uncomfortable about the prospect of its relationships with India and Pakistan being re-coupled at just the moment where it finally appeared to be having some success in developing them along parallel tracks. As a result, Beijing will be looking for an “out” rather than wanting to make a point of its obduracy. But that would require a compromise that will allow China to credibly claim that it has preserved an opening for the Pakistanis, a possibility that is still on the table.

Short of that, no matter how effectively Beijing is diplomatically boxed in, isolation alone is unlikely to prove a sufficient deterrent to China blocking the emerging consensus over Indian membership in the NSG, and last-minute phone calls from the White House will not swing it. The sole reason China would move is because it calculates that the costs to the Sino-Indian relationship outweigh those of being seen as a fair-weather friend.

Andrew Small is a senior transatlantic fellow at the German Marshall Fund of the United States, and author of “The China-Pakistan Axis: Asia’s New Geopolitics”.

http://thewire.in/43991/why-china-is-playing-a-tougher-game-on-the-nsg-this-time-around/
 
China and some other countries has already said that india should sign NPT and they can join otherwise then both india and Pakistan should be allowed to enter without signing NPT.

Indian govt want's China to keep toeing this line and object to India's entry into NSG.
In fact China is desperate here.
It does not want to even discuss India's entry because then it will have to object. It is "trying" to play clever game
BUT
Come the day, it will be forced to choose sides and will expend a lot of political capital in taking sides against India.
 
NSG membership: How India countered China's Pakistan card
June 20, 2016 14:10 IST

'The onus is now on China to explain to the world why it feels Pakistan should accompany India on the question of NSG membership!!'
'China's not so covert help for Pakistan's nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programmes will stand exposed,' says Ambassador G Parthasarathy.


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IMAGE: Prime Minister Narendra Modi with US President Barack Obama in the Oval Office, June 7, 2016.
Modi thanked Obama for extending support to India's membership in the Missile Technology Control Regime and the Nuclear Suppliers Group. Photograph: PTI Photo



When Prime Minister Indira Gandhi carried out what she called a 'peaceful nuclear explosion' in May 1974, the reaction of the world was swift and decisive.

Very few countries took our protestations of the 'explosion' being 'peaceful,' seriously. Pakistan, which had decided in January 1972, immediately after the Bangladesh conflict, to make nuclear weapons to counter Indian conventional military superiority, accelerated its efforts to go nuclear.

China's Chairman Mao Xedong assured Pakistan Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto in 1976 of full-fledged Chinese assistance to fulfill his nuclear ambitions. Chinese assistance to Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme has continued relentlessly over the past four decades.

The designs of Pakistani nuclear weapons have been provided by China along with assistance to strengthen Pakistan's capabilities for the production of weapons grade uranium and plutonium.

India's 1974 nuclear test also had other implications. There was a significant economic cost India had to pay for its 'peaceful nuclear explosion.'

The United States unilaterally cut off supply of enriched uranium fuel for the 420 MW Tarapur Nuclear Power Plant. More importantly, a Nuclear Suppliers Group, which today has 48 members, was formed to end all nuclear supplies and cooperation with countries like India, which had not signed the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and accepted International Atomic Energy Agency safeguards on all its nuclear establishments.

India was the country that was hard hit most strongly by the NSG's formation. It lost access to imported uranium ore even for its nuclear power plants and research reactors.

The NSG's stringent sanctions seriously impeded the development of India's nuclear power programme and even its nuclear research. It was only after the May 1998 nuclear tests and the failure of Western sanctions imposed on India that the George W Bush administration moved decisively to end sanctions.

In July 2006, the United States Congress amended US law to accommodate nuclear trade with India. In 2008 the Bush administration approached the NSG to get all its members to end sanctions. After prolonged negotiations, extending over two rounds, the NSG finally ended sanctions on September 6, 2008.

India, in turn, agreed to detailed provisions to separate its civilian and military programmes, to work for the conclusion of a comprehensive fissile material control treaty, to work for export controls on missile and nuclear technologies and observe its moratorium on testing nuclear weapons.

But India still remained to be accepted as a member of groups like the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) and the Nuclear Suppliers Group.


But for President Bush's personal intervention with world leaders like China's then President Hu Jintao, the NSG would not have ended sanctions imposed on India.

Major industrial powers like Russia, Japan, the UK, Germany, Canada and France supported the American effort. It was this process that has led to India getting cooperation from countries across the world including the US, Russia, France and Canada to develop its nuclear power programme, together with supplies of uranium ore to run its growing number of nuclear power reactors.

Despite these developments, India is still not a member of the NSG. And the opposition to its membership of the NSG comes from China, encouraged and provoked by its 'all weather friend' Pakistan.

India has the support of all major powers including the US, Russia, France, Germany, Canada and Japan to being admitted as a member of the NSG. But China is leading the charge against it being made a member unless Pakistan is treated similarly.

China knows fully well that given Pakistan's clandestine supply of nuclear weapons technology and designs to Iran, Libya and North Korea it stands very little chance of being admitted to the NSG and treated on par with India for the present.

These issues are set to figure prominently at the NSG's meeting in Seoul on Friday, June 24. Quite obviously, Foreign Secretary S Jaishankar's June 16-17 visit to Beijing was to explore the possibility of getting China to end its objections to India's membership of the NSG, by hinting that India would have no objections to Pakistan being accorded NSG membership.

This puts the onus on Pakistan to meet the stringent conditions set by the NSG. There are a number of NSG conditions that Pakistan will be unable to agree to. The most important condition is to sign a Fissile Material Control Treaty and end the production of all fissile material for use in nuclear weapons.

Even if Pakistan agrees to this, it would have to end distrust of its propensity to pass on nuclear weapons technology to Islamic countries and North Korea, as it has done in the past.

It is in this context that one has to understand why External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj asserted that she did not think that China was opposed to India joining the NSG and that India was not opposed to Pakistan's membership of the NSG.

The onus is now on China to explain to the world why it feels Pakistan should accompany India on the question of NSG membership!! China's not so covert help for Pakistan's nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programmes will stand exposed.

India would, after all, have no objection to meeting the NSG's conditions to become a member. It would be for China to explain to the world why it supports the nuclear ambitions of its 'all weather friend' and ally, Pakistan.

These issues will not necessarily be sorted out at the NSG's Seoul meeting, but Beijing will learn that it will have to pay the price of having its credibility eroded if it continues to equate Pakistan with India on issues like nuclear proliferation.

G Parthasarathy, a former high commissioner to Pakistan, is one of India's most outspoken commentators on foreign affairs and security issues.

G Parthasarathy

http://www.rediff.com/news/column/n...a-countered-chinas-pakistan-card/20160620.htm

Foolish to even think China will support India's NSG bid
Far from offering something, Beijing believes it is seeing increased New Delhi's truculence

Foreign secretary S Jaishankar's visit to Beijing last week indicates that New Delhi is undertaking direct diplomacy to obtain China's support for India's membership into the Nuclear Suppliers Group.

This is as it should be. It was foolish and futile to try and somehow shame China into supporting the Indian case.

Actually the first round of diplomacy began earlier, with President Pranab Mukherjee's visit to Beijing last month.

Also read - How Pranab pulled off a balancing act in China

What is not widely known is that the foreign secretary, who was accompanying the president, took the opportunity to engage the Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi in a one-on-one meeting.

What transpired in either meeting will not be known, but the success or failure of the effort will soon become evident in the forthcoming NSG meeting in Seoul.

Trade

Suffice to say, it will make little difference. India has already sought and obtained a waiver to conduct civil nuclear trade from the body and also pledged to follow its rules, whether or not we are members.

However, it will be a dent in the prestige of the government which had hyped up India's efforts to enter the body to the point where being denied entry will be seen as a major setback for Indian diplomacy.

The NSG debate is a good primer of the manner in which world politics functions. To start with the NSG is itself a body that is not based in international law, but a cartel of the powerful, in this case, countries with the capacity to conduct nuclear trade, with whom the only language that talks is power and the only method of negotiation is give and take.

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Pranab Mukherjee on China. (PTI)
There are other similar bodies, beginning with the G7/G8 - now somewhat chastened - but which once played the role of the arbiter of the rules of international economic system.

So there is the MTCR (Missile Technology Control Regime), a club of countries which have the knowhow of making missiles, space systems or their components, the Australia group which is a cartel of countries making chemicals and precursors of chemical weapons and the Wassenaar Arrangement with advanced conventional weapons technologies.

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As part of the India-US nuclear agreement of 2008, America promised to ease our entry into all these groups and that was a big thing, because the only country that could achieve this goal was the US, the sole global superpower.

Being cartels and not international agreements, these regimes are not always universal, the major missile and arms exporting power China is not a member of the MTCR or the Wassenaar, though it claims to harmonise its rules with them.

Position

Given this perspective, China's formal position raising the issue of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty was a red herring.

It was not India's refusal to join the NPT that led to the NSG's creation, but its first nuclear test. With the world more or less accepting India as "a state with nuclear weapons," and marking this by the 2008 waiver, that issue should no longer have any salience.

Neither should the Chinese need to assuage Pakistan's angst. Beijing has been a major beneficiary of Islamabad's obsession with India.

It is in its interest to prolong this situation, rather than bringing in Pakistan from the cold.

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It is actually all about that oldest issue in diplomacy - give and take. What is India willing to offer to China, in exchange for its support for the Indian application for NSG membership?

Far from offering something, Beijing believes it is seeing increased Indian truculence. New Delhi has gone out of its way to connect freedom of navigation issues with the South China Sea; tried to shame China into placing Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar in the ISIS-al Qaeda sanctions list at the UN; Indian entities with government backing sought to organise a conference of the entire galaxy of Chinese dissidents, and that, too, at the headquarters of the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan government in exile. As it is India has been disdainful towards Beijing's pet initiative, the One Belt One Road.

Membership

New Delhi, however, believes that it has sought to balance its ties with China by participating in the New Development (BRICS) Bank and the Asia Infrastructure Development Bank. India has sought membership of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation and sought to put an even spin on its position on maritime issues in the communiqué issued after the Russia-India-China meet in April upholding UNCLOS and addressing disputes through "negotiations and agreements" between the parties concerned.

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In June, it dropped references to South China Sea in relation to freedom of navigation issues. It has also indirectly signalled that were it to become a member of the NSG, it would consider the Pakistani application on its merits.

But what will clinch the issue is the deal Jaishankar will be seeking to strike with Beijing. Such deals are not made in public. We can only surmise their existence through the outcomes or in hindsight.

(Courtesy of Mail Today.)

http://www.dailyo.in/politics/nsg-m...lear-trade-south-china-sea/story/1/11277.html
 
yeah lets create another group and china can stay in NSG no issues.

Like India created BIMSTEC to replace SAARC.

It won't be difficult for US.

NSG is an unofficial cozy group and not an official group like IAEA or treaty like NPT which carry UN mandate.
 
NSG is an unofficial cozy group
Thats the point, US can make it or break it. Other than Russia & China rest of them are western countries which can ensure that group runs for their benefit not for china's .
 
New DELHI, sources said, is working to take the situation to a point that Beijing will have to explain why it's opposing India's aspirations. And also why such a move could be a permanent setback to the India-China relationship. That's where Prime Minister Narendra Modi's possible meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping on the margins of the SCO summit a day before the NSG main plenary is crucial, added sources.

This! :tup:

So what if India doesn't get into NSG, let us at least make China stand alone as the opposition - and not let China hide behind the nonstarters like Pakistan's own NSG membership!

What ever happens from here on, China will have come out worse.

To be frank China's image has taken a beating among people of India. with a Huge trade deficit in it's favour and with India planning spend billions in Infra projects, will Chinse be the losers?
On top of all this, India can really make things tough for a lot of Chinese companies that export to India.

Yup! China could easily cockblock India's entry into NSG but India, on her part, should make clear to the Chinese the costs of doing so.
 
Thats the point, US can make it or break it. Other than Russia & China rest of them are western countries which can ensure that group runs for their benefit not for china's .

The irony would be India with its NSG waiver and not being an NSG member is in a position to do more business with other NSG members than China being an NSG member.

China is a pariah in NSG while India is the blue eyed boy.
 
Indian govt want's China to keep toeing this line and object to India's entry into NSG.
In fact China is desperate here.
It does not want to even discuss India's entry because then it will have to object. It is "trying" to play clever game
BUT
Come the day, it will be forced to choose sides and will expend a lot of political capital in taking sides against India.
If China stalls Indian application not only its relations with India sour but also with major powers of the world who are actively supporting India's membership.

Very interesting to see China's stand when it is the last man standing.

you guys are talking like india is the Grand Great Superpower of the world and if china oppose india in NSG, india will vanish china from the face of the earth....

Please guys say something from reality...
no matter if china stand still or made some agreements for greater good..... How will india isolate china..

china is the one of the biggest investor in Asia, Africa, America South, America North or Europe..

china holds trillions of $$$ of worth in USA and the 2nd largest trade partner of USA..

china is the largest investor in russia and are to be the largest trade partner of russia..

china is the 2nd largest trade partner of EU and invest billions of $$$ in EU...

china is the one of the largest trade partner of Africa Union and largest resources buyer from AU and china is also the largest investor in AU..
 
you guys are talking like india is the Grand Great Superpower of the world and if china oppose india in NSG, india will vanish china from the face of the earth....

Please guys say something from reality...
no matter if china stand still or made some agreements for greater good..... How will india isolate china..

china is the one of the biggest investor in Asia, Africa, America South, America North or Europe..

china holds trillions of $$$ of worth in USA and the 2nd largest trade partner of USA..

china is the largest investor in russia and are to be the largest trade partner of russia..

china is the 2nd largest trade partner of EU and invest billions of $$$ in EU...

china is the one of the largest trade partner of Africa Union and largest resources buyer from AU and china is also the largest investor in AU..

Did I say anything remotely hat you are suggesting in your rant?

Yes, China is desperate. That's a fact
Yes, opposing India will come at a cost. We are not talking about India attacking here. We are talking about monetary.

If Chinese or YOU think that overt opposition to India will not have any reaction from Indian side, you lot are completely deluded.

Like I said, not having NSG is not going to be the end of the world for India. What ever India does to China will not be the end of world for China either.
BUT
That India will take steps as a retaliation is a fact that must be quite obvious.
 

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