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India’s Ballistic Missiles; Derivative of Peaceful Space Cooperation-a pakistani perspective

If JF 17 is considered a JV,Brahmos can be considered as an indigenous missile. :lol:

India doesn't have warheads to fit on the Brahmos ? Even the Indian 200Kt thermonuclear RV for Shaurya/K 15 weighs less than 400 kg.
That's what you think. However it's not feasible even for USA and Russia to make many different types of warheads for each more missile. There can't be a special nuke just for Brahmos.
The smallest Indian missile which can carry nuke without breaking MCTR, is Prithvi and it is big fat wide thing which is built to carry nuke of 500 kg.
So that is an indication that India has nothing smaller than that,and brahmos cannot carry 500 kg.
Wake up.

GTHO if you have nothing to contribute
Oh you mean useless GIF images like Indians here?
I got plenty.
 
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The smallest Indian missile which can carry nuke without breaking MCTR, is Prithvi and it is big fat wide thing which is built to carry nuke of 500 kg.
So that is an indication that India has nothing smaller than that,and brahmos cannot carry 500 kg.
Wake up.

You know when the prithvi was developed ? :lol:
What does Prithvi have to with MTCR,you fool ?

That's what you think. However it's not feasible even for USA and Russia to make many different types of warheads for each more missile. There can't be a special nuke just for Brahmos.

Says who ? An ignorant troll from Pakistan ?

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You know when the prithvi was developed ? :lol:
What does Prithvi have to with MTCR,you fool ?



Says who ? An ignorant troll from Pakistan ?

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Hey assshole. Mind your language, I can use plenty of abuse too.
MCTR applies o Brahmos,not Prithvi.
Point remains if India had something less than 500 kg in nuclear arsenal, an indigenous missile must have been made to carry just that. Not an MCTR breaking foreign, private venture
 
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Point remains if India had something less than 500 kg in nuclear arsenal, an indigenous missile must have been made to carry just that. Not an MCTR breaking foreign, private venture

Logical fallacy.

Remember the last time you got owned ?
How many types of Ballistic missiles India has deployed?

And BTW,heard about Nirbhay ?

And you think the present Brahmos is fully MTCR compliant ? You know for sure that its range is limited to 290 km ?

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What we see here is a desperate attempt by a seasoned troll,to deviate the topic from long range Indian missiles to warhead miniaturization -a field in which he thinks Pakistan excels ( and India sucks )

Too bad,we only have RVs weighing ~400 Kg carrying 200 Kt Thermonuclear warheads.
 
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Logical fallacy.

Remember the last time you got owned ?
How many types of Ballistic missiles India has deployed?

And BTW,heard about Nirbhay ?

And you think the present Brahmos is fully MTCR compliant ? You know for sure that its range is limited to 290 km ?

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What we see here is a desperate attempt by a seasoned troll,to deviate the topic from long range Indian missiles to warhead miniaturization -a field in which he thinks Pakistan excels ( and India sucks )

Too bad,we only have RVs weighing ~400 Kg carrying 200 Kt Thermonuclear warheads.
Shurya has a stated payload of 1 ton,again too heavy for a miniature nuke.Trend of 1 ton payload is across the board in all indian nuclear misisles. There is none with less than 1 ton stated warhead capacity. Brahmos doesnt count.
Nirbhay is a very recent thing,which is proof enough that previously India did not have the tech to make miniature nukes and that's why did not make a small nuclear missile. Brahmos is Nuclear capable only for online fanboys. In reality Russia wont let MCTR being broken as it is their tech.
The only evidence of India even trying for miniature nukes is Nirbhay. Before Nirbhay all Indian missiles are big fat heavy lifters as India simply did not have anything light. Proof is in the pudding as they say.
On the other hand all Pakistani misiles are of lesser Diameter,with lower payload capacity. Ghaznavi and Abdali are comparable in range with Prithvi and both are slimmer because pakistan has miniature nukes,India doesnt.
Btw pakistan has officially confirmed presence and continued production of Miniature nukes. India hasnt.
 
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because pakistan has miniature nukes,India doesnt.
Btw pakistan has officially confirmed presence and continued production of Miniature nukes. India hasnt.
Stupidity at it best what is Miniature Nukes ?? what is the Lowest Nuclear Device PAEC tested
 
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Shurys has a stated payload of 1 ton,again too heavy for a miniature nuke.

lmao what ? If it can carry a maximum of 1 tonne,that doesn't mean it can carry anything less.May be this will educate you.

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Shourya Re-entry Vehicle (RV) supports wide range of weapons, with total payload mass ranging from 180 to 1,000 Kg. The missile range is a function of payload mass.The November 2008 test unveiled the new generation RV that is designed and optimized for newer boosted fission and thermonuclear weapon (including those awaiting confirmatory test). The sharp nose high ‘βeta’ (Ballistic coefficient 9 ) RV design employs 16 cm diameter blunt nose and half angle of 12° that is mounted on a payload adapter to interface with the 0.74m diameter mission control module atop the upper stage. The high ‘βeta’ RV in combination with an all carbon composite body enables higher re-entry speed even with a light weight payload


. Before Nirbhay all Indian missiles are big fat heavy lifters as India simply did not have anything light. Proof is in the pudding as they say.

Because much of them were designed in the turn of the twenty first century to carry the heavier 200Kt FBF designs.

Ghaznavi and Abdali

Ghaznavi - payload 700 kg
Abdali - payload 500 kg

Both these can pack a 200 Kiloton TN warhead of Indian design.What's the blast yield of your miniature nuke,kid ?
 
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India hasnt.

About Agni III RV

Re-Entry Vehicle: RV-Mk.4

Agni-III RV supports a wide range of weapons, with total payload mass ranging from 600 to 3,490 Kg. The missile range is a function of payload (see graph below).

This is the first Re-Entry Vehicle (RV) that is designed & optimised for the new lighter 200Kt thermonuclear payload weapon and corresponding to a very long range.The 200Kt yield weapon reportedly weights less than 450 Kg, however some sources indicate a mass of between 300 to 200 Kg. The sharp high (Ballistic coefficient5) RV design employs 17 cm diameter blunt nose with a nose cone section 2 meter long and half angle of 11°, followed by a 0.65 meter long cylindrical section that is terminated by with a 0.5 meter long, 1.5 meter diameter interface to the missile adapter.

Compared to Agni-II this RV is shorter, more voluminous and just 3.3 meter long. The high RV in combination with an all carbon composite body enables higher re-entry speed even with a lighter weight payload

Instead of conventional bus architecture, the RV Mk-4 is self-contained with high altitude thrusters, navigation and re-entry control systems, making it very accurate. It is world’s first all composite RV and uses no metal backup. The all carbon composite re-entry heat shields with multi-directional ablative carbon-carbon re-entry nose tip make it very light and tough. The new lightweight composite case can withstand temperatures of up to 5,000º centigrade thus its conic half angle choice is more aggressive, yet capable of all re-entry velocities. This very light RV mass uniquely enables disproportionate large increase in missile’s range. The RV has been flight tested before its use in Agni-III.

Whatever they tested,they showed a video.
No video exits of Indian nuclear test. :lol:

So we don't have a nuclear weapon ? :lol: :lol:
 
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The video is Already posted in Previous thread you Created

Now SKIP Trolling Explain Me what is the Miniature Nuke ???
What is the Lowest Device PAEC Tested
Yeah the two second video in which something happens over the horizon and no clear evidence that it is actually Pokhran?
Thing is Indian tests if had been a resounding success as Pakistan's were,should have been shouted from rooftops. They weren't,because the tests did happen but failed to achieve the required yield,or in other words Indian nuke designs failed.
Today's line up of Indian missiles shows the effects. All being heavy lifters with none made to carry small nukes as there aren't any. Bye.
 
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Wow, very poorly written article.

by Ahsan Ali Zahid and Hasan Ehtisham

( October 31, 2015, Islamabad, Sri Lanka Guardian) An intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) is a potential source of power projection and hegemonic desires. Latest report ofFederation of American Scientists, which refers to India’s ICBM project that it is deepening the nuclear competition between two Asian nuclear powers, India and China. Meanwhile, West is proposing that Indian missile program has two potential targets Pakistan and China, but picture is murky when longer range is desired by DRDO. In future, there is a theoretical possibility that India will aim United States and Europe if it feel threatened by any “high-tech aggression” originated from U.S. or any European country.

While the identification of the ICBM range is uncertain, it should be from 8000 km to more likely 12000 km. Indian local media refers the Agni-V missile as its first ICBM. Agni-V is a three stage, solid fuel missile can target up to 5000 km. currently it is the India’s longest range missile, tested twice in 2012 and 2013. Based on the space launch program, it has all ingredients of ICBM with navigation and guidance capabilities. It can be fired from mobile launcher anywhere in India, giving the ability of second strike and hit the large parts of China, Europe and Africa. India is going to induct the missile in armed forces with three multiple independently-targetable re-entry vehicle warheads.

China was conscious when India in 2012 publicized the test of its long-range nuclear-capable Agni V missile. While giving ultimatum to India that it should not overemphasize its strength, China’s leading paper Global Times penned that, “The West chooses to overlook India’s disregard of nuclear and missile control treaties. The West remains silent on the fact that India’s military spending increased by 17 percent in 2012 and the country has again become the largest weapons importer in the world.”

Undoubtedly, Indian aspirations such as to become a permanent member of UN security council, illustrate it’s desires to become a global power on the cost of becoming offensive military state, as on the successful test of Agni-V missile it announced itself a major “missile power”. India’s next furtive project is ICBM named “Surya”, which has planned range of 12000 km. Though its most tests have failed :o::o:but the range of both missiles raise some serious questions about India’s aim and risks of nuclear arms race, which could be the cause of conflict threatening the entire globe.

The pace Indians have adopted in augmentation of their long-range ballistic missile capabilities is missing a dynamic circumstance that Pakistan and China are employing a strategy that goes beyond conventional nuclear deterrence. India is still surrounded in ambiguous strategies generated by its two arch rivals and India’s strategic planners have no clues that how they will control escalation of a conventional conflict into a nuclear one. There is a chance of preemption against Indian ICBM program in times of crisis because an ICBM with PSLV dimensions can easily be targeted.

This means that ICBM is a first strike weapon, which has no survivability in a conflict because of its exposure to a preemptive strike. As Richard Speier explains, “In strategic theory, this leads to “crisis instability,” the increased incentive for a crisis to lead to strategic attacks because of each side’s premium on striking first.” Therefore induction of long-range ballistic missile capabilities without any appropriate planning to deal with situations that might lead to a nuclear war will further deteriorate the complex security environment of the region.

Indian thinkers feel that there is need to develop long range high speed nuclear capable missiles and MIRV capabilities, which is also an excuse to their nuclear expansion. Keeping war scenario in mind, policy is the first thing to throw out in waste, therefore India’s “no first use” (NFU) doctrine is just a disguise to get nuclear assistance from the U.S., Canada, Australia, Japan and Russia for military use.

The foundation for the Indian ICBM is the space launch vehicle technology delivered by foreign sources under the pretext of peaceful scientific development. The United States, France and Germany assisted India in different span of times in creating India’s biggest nuclear-capable missile. Contemporarily ISRO is enjoying unconditional support fromBritain and U.S. in space technology, notwithstanding when this fact is established that there is no significant discrepancy between India’s civilian and military rocket programs. In 2005, when U.S. and India were involved in constructing closer ties in space exploration and satellite navigation, there were resolute reports that Indian scientists were organizing to produce an ICBM. Whereas recently, Michael Elleman, a former UN weapons inspector raised alarms that India’s missile development pattern was “highly unusual.”

India claims that it is adhering to the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) rules but the reality is quite opposite, in fact it is not preventing the spread of nuclear-capable ballistic missiles. So how, India can become the member of 35-nation MTCR?:blah: For which India hasapplied recently when India is already involved in exporting the missiles and technology to many African, Gulf and Southeast Asian states below the MTCR threshold. How a state which is deliberately violating the treaty not being a member, will not violate being a member?

P5 states used their ballistic missile programs as space launch vehicle but India had used peaceful foreign aided space program to develop ballistic missiles. Useful but now other states like Iran, Brazil, Japan, South and North Korea can follow India’s example.

Once, India shocked the world by diverting Canadian-supplied fuel for research and generating power to make nuclear weapons. In 1989 Bulletin of the Atomic Scientistspublished an article, in which Gary Milhollin had specified the detail chronology that how peaceful Satellite Guidance System Gets into Indian Missile Program. Milhollin was of the view that Indian 1974 nuclear blast destroyed illusions about the “peaceful atom” and it is not surprising that India will again use the slogan of “Peace” for its space program to develop deadly missiles.

The U.S. has been the biggest donor of economic aid to India and currently facilitating India’s nuclear expansion.:o::suicide: So far it is intentionally using delaying tactics to realize the Indian missile threats but more likely India may confront in future the U.S. over Middle East oil or to side with Russia in conflict, or even confront Russia over Central Asia. The U.S. must rethink its policies before it’s too late or later it will be employing few analysts to analyze, How to contain India?

About the authors:

Ahsan Ali Zahid is a M. Phil scholar in School of Politics and International Relations, Quaid-e-Azam University, Islamabad, Pakistan.

Hasan Ehtisham is a M. Phil scholar in Department of Strategic Studies, Quaid-e-Azam University, Islamabad, Pakistan.

India’s Ballistic Missiles; Derivative of Peaceful Space Cooperation | Sri Lanka Guardian

looks like both think tank fools of pakistan have no idea what they are talking about.
quality of Quaid-e-Azam University is highlighted here...

why don't these fools post the same article in pakistani news paper? does Pakistani media knows those to authors are noting but a national waste?
 
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Yeah the two second video in which something happens over the horizon and no clear evidence that it is actually Pokhran?
Thing is Indian tests if had been a resounding success as Pakistan's were,should have been shouted from rooftops. They weren't,because the tests did happen but failed to achieve the required yield,or in other words Indian nuke designs failed.
Today's line up of Indian missiles shows the effects. All being heavy lifters with none made to carry small nukes as there any. Bye.


If Indian Test weren't So Successful Why In Desperation Pakistan Tested its Nukes with matter of 16 days
Post Indian tests


Again you are Dodging the bullet I Asked you What is Miniature Nuke???what is Lowest yield Device PAEC Tested
 
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