India’s attitude points to desire for war: Sartaj Aziz

[Stephen Cohen]

@Abu Zolfiqar

The statements coming out of Pakistan ie from your Civilian and MILITARY leaders
show an EXTREMELY nervous and uneasy state of mind

Every other day there is a statement COMPLAINING about India
whether it is Kashmir ; or LOC firing

Your Army has been rattled by our response

According to figures given on October 16 by Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry to the National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, India had by then fired approximately 36,000 rounds of ammunition in the current cycle of tit-for-tat shooting, while Pakistani troops in response fired about 8,000 rounds. About the same time, “sources close to the Indian home minister” quoted in the India media put the number of rounds fired by India even higher at 50,000. In other words, for every shot fired by Pakistan, India fired about five or six. The imbalance indicates clearly which side is stoking the fire.

Source Behind India’s sabre rattling - Asif Ezdi

 

[Shot-Caller]

Only an idiot would believe that Pakistan was winning militarily but Pakistani Prime minister decided to fly to US uninvited and get humiliated by US president.

You did talk about Kashmir before 71, infact did much more, you sent infiltrators to spark a rebellion, tried to take it by force in 65 and that is why you were dismembered in 71.

We don't usually start a conflict but when we do, we make sure we win.

Don't be such a kid. Nawaz sharif was forced because it could have escalated into a nuclear war. And him being the coward that he is forced the military to come back. You need to get your facts right before you jump to conclusion. The only time you were successful was 71. That too because there was an internal conflict going on and you interfered. Other than that you've kept biting the dust and 99 was a sure shot victory for us if we had a brave prime minister.

 

[I.R.A]

@Abu Zolfiqar @Horus

Pakistanis really miss Manmohan SIngh isnt it

No I for one really wanted Modi to take charge, I was fed up of his bullshit statements about Pakistan as CM of Gujrat and I personally wanted to see him as PM of India, so that the day he takes charge of his office he knows how wrong he was in his calculations about Pakistan. And I wanted your goons giving statements publicly which they have been giving recently.

Go ask him if he can wage war on Pakistan. He won't he knows the consequences.

And when I feel depressed I watch Indian TV news and you know what soon I get charged up because they keep telling you how much Aparon bombs Pakistan has etc etc.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

@Abu Zolfiqar

The statements coming out of Pakistan ie from your Civilian and MILITARY leaders
show an EXTREMELY nervous and uneasy state of mind

Every other day there is a statement COMPLAINING about India
whether it is Kashmir ; or LOC firing

Your Army has been rattled by our response

Since May 2014 more indian soldiers have been killed, fewer civilians

fewer Pakistani soldiers killed, more civilians

Every time you fire - we fire back......yeah, sounds like a "rattled" nation to me

@Abu Zolfiqar

The statements coming out of Pakistan ie from your Civilian and MILITARY leaders
show an EXTREMELY nervous and uneasy state of mind

Every other day there is a statement COMPLAINING about India
whether it is Kashmir ; or LOC firing

Your Army has been rattled by our response

According to figures given on October 16 by Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry to the National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, India had by then fired approximately 36,000 rounds of ammunition in the current cycle of tit-for-tat shooting, while Pakistani troops in response fired about 8,000 rounds. About the same time, “sources close to the Indian home minister” quoted in the India media put the number of rounds fired by India even higher at 50,000. In other words, for every shot fired by Pakistan, India fired about five or six. The imbalance indicates clearly which side is stoking the fire.

Source Behind India’s sabre rattling - Asif Ezdi

and despite that - you lost more soldiers than we did......spraying and praying doesnt make you more effective

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Imran Rashid

Pakistan will miss Singh - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

@Abu Zolfiqar

It is YOUR leadership that is singing the PEACE tune not us

You have not yet been told the correct facts about the damage done to
your military logistical infrastructure by India

And the casualty figures are also being suppressed

The simple fact of the matter is that YOU have developed
a SENSE OF entitlement because of Man mohan Singh

That the Indian govt will overlook your LOC firing

But no ; NOT anymore

That is HURTING your ego

 

[Star Wars]

God save PDF.

If someone were to notice his posts, he could get in trouble...

 

[OrionHunter]

We were ready for war in 2008 and your IAF pilots know very well how close they were to getting obliterated in the sky. We were ready for war in 2002 when your forces mobilized and you suffered nearly 1,000 casualties during mobilization as well as pitched battles with the PA (Zero casualties on our side).

I sometimes pray your forces WILL mis-behave so that we can show you what being prepared really means. Realities have changed.

Your nonsensical tripe is the result of your ISPR propaganda machinery working overtime to drill this shit into the brains of the sheeple as well as the crap dished out by your mullah brigade. And you absorb this garbage hook line and sinker. Shows complete intellectual bankruptcy.

Grow up and try being more rational instead of spewing gobbledygook and rubbish which makes me laugh at your idiocy.

 

[ares]

Don't be such a kid. Nawaz sharif was forced because it could have escalated into a nuclear war. And him being the coward that he is forced the military to come back. You need to get your facts right before you jump to conclusion. The only time you were successful was 71. That too because there was an internal conflict going on and you interfered. Other than that you've kept biting the dust and 99 was a sure shot victory for us if we had a brave prime minister.

So before starting the war, you leadership or your army didn't think, it could escalate into a nuclear war?.. two months into the conflict, only after you started losing one peak after the other, threat of nuclear war entered into their minds?

Your line of reasoning is juvenile.

And How could it have initiated a nuclear war? India had decided not cross the LOC..India had decided not to open a second front...because we were beating back Pakistani infiltrators on all fronts..had you been winning militarily, you would have sit tight..like Indian PM was.

Where as your ministers and generals were touring China to Saudi to US..finding ways to save face, from the quagmire they had landed Pakistan in.

As far 71 is concerned , yes we did win that war conclusively, and the only reason you accept it now is because, we made you sign a surrender document. But the fact is an internal conflict has been brewing in Indian since 80s, first Punjab and then Kashmir..you never won anything then either?

 

[Bang Galore]

First thing is, this is a Pakistani Forum. Using such monikers for Hindus (albiet there are still some in pakistan) is an accepted cultural norm atleast on the forum if not in pakistan.

Big bad india as an existential threat has worked charmingly well for pakistan as a integration factor for the longest period. Untill there is re-calibration of pakistani foriegn policy, India bashing is to buy time. It is time tested, effective and low cost alternative than actual policy reforms to engage India. Until then fabricated and skewed analysis of strategic issues is absolutely the preferred tool propagate pakistans national narrative. PDF is another medium for the same, and thus towing the same national rhetoric by administration should not be surprising.to you

Old legal adage: “If you have the law, hammer the law. If you have the facts, hammer the facts. If you have neither the law nor the facts, hammer the table”.

The post quoted is a good example of hammering the table.

 

[MilSpec]

Don't be such a kid. Nawaz sharif was forced because it could have escalated into a nuclear war. And him being the coward that he is forced the military to come back. You need to get your facts right before you jump to conclusion. The only time you were successful was 71. That too because there was an internal conflict going on and you interfered. Other than that you've kept biting the dust and 99 was a sure shot victory for us if we had a brave prime minister.

Well , Although an off topic bait, but I'll still bite....

If kargil was a sure shot victory, then I pray for thousands of such victories for you and your military, where your entire armed forces and your fancy jets stood frozen in fear, while your brave soldiers were being blown to smitherens by Indian Artillery and Indian Air Force.

If it was a victory, it was for pervez musharraf as the kargil debacle sent your democratic process back by another decade... I wish you such victories time and again.

As far as 65 is concerned, a conflict whose objective was to liberate kashmir from big bad Indians, ended up defending lahore against Indian invasion, surely can only be spinned as a victory in Planet Pakistan.

But in a way you are correct, every conflict with India has been a victory for pakistani military establishment as it resulted into dictatorships consolidating power in the nation for years to come.

Maybe , the definition of victory or loss is skewed in planet pakistan.

 

[Judge]

First thing is, this is a Pakistani Forum. Using such monikers for Hindus (albiet there are still some in pakistan) is an accepted cultural norm atleast on the forum if not in pakistan.

Big bad india as an existential threat has worked charmingly well for pakistan as a integration factor for the longest period. Untill there is re-calibration of pakistani foriegn policy, India bashing is to buy time. It is time tested, effective and low cost alternative than actual policy reforms to engage India. Until then fabricated and skewed analysis of strategic issues is absolutely the preferred tool propagate pakistans national narrative. PDF is another medium for the same, and thus towing the same national rhetoric by administration should not be surprising.to you

Why would you want change in Pakistan?
Pakistan is heading down a perfect direction. Let them be consumed by Islam and Arabs.

Why would you even want them to change their narrative? If that happens and they behave differently, their nation might actually change and start becoming prosperous. As things stand, we should support their jihad(even against us) and their shariah lovers!

Give it two decades in the current direction Pakistan is on. Life will be simpler for us in the long term.

 

[Shot-Caller]

So before starting the war, you leadership or your army didn't think, it could escalate into a nuclear war?.. two months into the conflict, only after you started losing one peak after the other, threat of nuclear war entered into their minds?

Your line of reasoning is juvenile.

And How could it have initiated a nuclear war? India had decided not cross the LOC..India had decided not to open a second front...because we were beating back Pakistani infiltrators on all fronts..had you been winning militarily, you would have sit tight..like Indian PM was.

Where as your ministers and generals were touring China to Saudi to US..finding ways to save face, from the quagmire they had landed Pakistan in.

As far 71 is concerned , yes we did win that war conclusively, and the only reason you accept it now is because, we made you sign a surrender document. But the fact is an internal conflict has been brewing in Indian since 80s, first Punjab and then Kashmir..you never won anything then either?

Yea our army initiated the war and obviously they had calculated what damage india could inflict. Us interfered because there was a chance of it going nuclear and Nawaz sharif ordered army to return after the pressure. I'm hoping this time you'll get it because I said the same thing in my last post and you came up with silly question. As far as 71 is concerned. East Pakistan and west Pakistan were geographically 2 separate lands. Therefore it was much easier for you to interfere as the supplies for our army had to come from west Pakistan. Nothing very brave about it either. Balochistan has been facing internal conflicts since 60s. It just got attention during musharraf's time. With all your interference what have you been able to do about it? Just entering your forces into a separated land having conflicts and jumping up and down about it may be a thing for you.

 

[SrNair]

Poor Chaps.We gave a minor shock treatment and they are scared like Shit

Pakistan has to prepare for a war, its only a matter of when these self radicalized Hindutvas go on a maha yudh drive. Pakistan's military strategy should focus on inflicting mass casualties on Indian civilians for voting these extremists into office. Hindutvas need to be told that their little Hindu Reich will actually result in a collective 'chita' in which they will burn collectively.

Best of Luck PDF.y

 

[Stephen Cohen]

But in a way you are correct, every conflict with India has been a victory for pakistani military establishment as it resulted into dictatorships consolidating power in the nation for years to come.

Maybe , the definition of victory or loss is skewed in planet pakistan.

Events - "Fighting to the End: The Pakistan Army’s Way of War" Book Talk - May - 2014 - Hudson Institute

In Fighting to the End, Dr. C. Christine Fair answers the critical question: “Why does Pakistan’s army persist in pursuing revisionist policies that have come to imperil the very viability of the state itself?” After analyzing decades’ worth of the army’s own defense publications, Fair concludes that “from the army’s distorted view of history,
it is victorious as long as it can resist India’s purported drive for regional hegemony as well as the territorial status quo. Simply put, acquiescence means defeat.”

 

[I.R.A]

@Imran Rashid

Pakistan will miss Singh - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

@Abu Zolfiqar

It is YOUR leadership that is singing the PEACE tune not us

You have not yet been told the correct facts about the damage done to
your military logistical infrastructure by India

And the casualty figures are also being suppressed

The simple fact of the matter is that YOU have developed
a SENSE OF entitlement because of Man mohan Singh

That the Indian govt will overlook your LOC firing

But no ; NOT anymore

That is HURTING your ego

@Abu Zolfiqar @The-Authority @Zaalim @Horus


Why do we even have to prove anything here? Will we gain anything from this discussion or reach a conclusion of this useless discussion except seeing more chest thumping?

For me I am pretty much satisfied with our capability, if they want a war they will get one hell of a war, until then I am signing off from this thread my dose of Indian superiority being fed to me is running dangerously high need to take a Piss so its excreted from my system.