Indians will always be ugly neighbours to hotter Pakistanis: BuzzFeed India editor

[Force-India]

That's a very good point and it's because Miandad IS ethnically Indian. People from Karachi are very Indian looking.

Duh how did i forget you are the descends of Alexanders army

 

[SHAMK9]

Duh how did i forget you are the descends of Alexanders army

You peasants

 

[pakistanitarzan]

While overall it is true that Pakistani men tend to be more on the lighter side but it is very stupid of her to post something like that, its very low!

 

[Supply&Demand]

? What really? time to take a nap kiddo.



So you know about Pak more than us? yes 8% of Paks population is ethnically from UP,Lucknow,Gujrat etc.. and yet over 40% of them claim to be of Pashtun stock... but they all look like ethnic indians from those states where they came from.



who cares if 95% of your class mates were "super white" ... (which i highly dount),,, again this thread isnt about being "white" ...




What? cricketers,politicians arent choosen for the complexion in Pak... maybe the criteria in india though.




Be happy to debunk them.




Kabadi games? oh damn poor iranians,skoreans,bangladeshis,Pakistanis,thais.. mighty indians won ... oh poor others who won less medals in a game.





Pak doesnt contest in beauty pageants... nor any expat who doesnt represent the country... so what now smart ***?



damn i havent seen such butthurt in years.


Pak = 84

india = 82

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P.S: Most players in Pak team are newbies... meanwhile most indian players (even newbies have been playing internation cricket since atleast 2-3 years).



So you wont 65? do you celebrate winning the war?
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In 1965, Pakistanis really whipped India's rear end.

"Pakistan claims to have destroyed something like 1/3rd the Indian Air Force, and foreign observers, who are in a position to know say that Pakistani pilots have claimed even higher kills than this; but the Pakistani Air Force are being scrupulously honest in evaluating these claims. They are crediting Pakistan Air Force only those killings that can be checked from other sources."

Roy Meloni,
American Broadcasting Corporation
September 15, 1965.

1965 War, the Inside Story by R.D. Pradhan:

In Chapter 8 titled "Of Cowardice and Panic", the author describes the cowardice of Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad, the Indian general commanding officer in Lahore sector. When the general was fired upon by Pakistani forces, he "ran away". "On learning that, Lt. Gen. Harbakash Singh and the corps commander drove in a Jonga to the battlefront. Army commander found that the enemy (PAF) air attack had created a havoc on G.T. Road. (Indian) Vehicles were burning and several vehicles of 15 Division abandoned on the road, the drivers having run away, leaving some of the engines still running. Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad was hiding in a recently irrigated sugar cane field. As described by Harabakash Singh: "He (Prasad) came out to receive us, with his boots covered with wet mud. He had no head cover, nor was he wearing any badges of his rank. He had stubble on his face, not having shaved." Seeing him in such a stage, Harbakhash Singh asked him: "Whether he was the General Officer commanding a division or a coolie? Why had he removed badges of rank and not shaved? Niranjan Prasad had no answer."

Pradhan's book contains many different entries by Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan. A Sept 9, 1965 entry reads: Had a very hard day on all fronts. Very fierce counter-attacks mounted and we are required to withdraw in Kasur area. COAS was somewhat uncertain of himself. I suggested to him that he should go in forward areas so that he will be in touch of realities. He said he would go next day.

In Line of Duty: A Soldier Remembers, Lt Gen Harbakhsh Singh reveals that not only did Gen Chowdhury play a very small role in the entire campaign, he was so nervous as to be on the verge of losing half of Punjab to Pakistan, including the city of Amritsar. Harbakhsh describes, in clinical detail, how our own offensive in the Lahore sector had come unhinged. The general commanding the division on Ichchogil canal fled in panic, leaving his jeep, its wireless running and the briefcase containing sensitive documents that were then routinely read on Radio Pakistan during the war. Singh wanted to court martial him, Chowdhury let him get away with resignation.

According to Shekhar Gupta, the editor of Indian Express, Harbkhash Singh recounts that a bigger disaster struck a bit to the south where the other division cracked up in assault, just as it encountered a bit of resistance. Several infantry battalions, short on battle inoculation, deserted and Singh gives a hair-raising account – and confirmation of a long-debated rumor – that Chowdhury panicked so badly he ordered him to withdraw to a new defensive line behind the Beas, thereby conceding half of Punjab to Pakistan. Singh describes the conversation with Chowdhury at Ambala where he refused to carry out the order, asking his chief to either put it down in writing or visit the front and take charge of the battle.

The London Daily Mirror reported in 1965:

"There is a smell of death in the burning Pakistan sun. For it was here that India's attacking forces came to a dead stop.

"During the night they threw in every reinforcement they could find. But wave after wave of attacks were repulsed by the Pakistanis"

"India", said the London Daily Times, "is being soundly beaten by a nation which is outnumbered by four and a half to one in population and three to one in size of armed forces."

In Times reporter Louis Karrar wrote:

"Who can defeat a nation which knows how to play hide and seek with death".

USA - Aviation week & space technology - December 1968 issue.

"For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel.

UK - Air International - November - 1991

" the average PAF pilot is almost certainly possessed of superior skills when compared with, say, an average American pilot. As to those who are rated above average, they compare favorably to the very best."

Encyclopaedia of Aircraft printed in several countries by Orbis publications - Volume 5

"Pakistan's air force gained a remarkable victory over India in this brief 22 day war exploiting its opponents weaknesses in exemplary style - Deeply shaken by reverse, India began an extensive modernisation and training program, meanwhile covering its defeat with effective propaganda smoke screen.




The official history confirms another great failing of the 1965 war, the inability of the Indian Air Force to provide a decisive edge on the battlefield or even match up to the Pakistanis

In a society where even the writing of ancient history is so politically contentious, it is difficult to expect a realistic appreciation of fairly recent wars. Culturally, we also confuse military science with soldierly heroism. We can spend all our time extolling our troops for the courage they showed in Kargil but avoid talking about what got them in such a near-impossible war in the first place. Even with our bigger wars, propaganda myths created in the course of the engagements are then perpetuated for decades. In the 22-day war in 1965, for example, as schoolchildren we were taught that the Pakistani pilots were so scared of the tiny Gnat that they fled the moment they spotted one.That it was because the then army chief, General J.N. Chowdhary, was such a world-famous hot-shot in tank warfare that the Pakistani armour came unstuck at Khem Karan and other graveyards of the Patton. That Lahore and Sialkot were almost sure to be in our bag if the war had gone on a few more days.

That is why it is refreshing that India’s own official history of the country’s first full-fledged modern war has been written with a degree of detachment. It confirms several widely held beliefs in the strategic community and described in the many books on that war. In India, the official history has followed close after the release of In the Line of Duty: A Soldier Remembers, the autobiography of Lt Gen Harbakhsh Singh, one of our tallest generals ever, professionally and physically, at 6-ft-2. As the western army commander during the 1965 war (there was no northern command then), he also led the operations in Kashmir and therefore controlled the entire war.

His revelations, read with his earlier War Despatches and now authenticated by the official history, are devastating. It is, for example, now confirmed that not only did Gen Chowdhury play a very small role in the entire campaign, he was so nervous as to be on the verge of losing half of Punjab to Pakistan, including the city of Amritsar. Harbakhsh describes, in clinical detail, how our own offensive in the Lahore sector had come unhinged. The general commanding the division on Ichchogil canal fled in panic, leaving his jeep, its wireless running and the briefcase containing sensitive documents that were then routinely read on Radio Pakistan during the war. Singh wanted to court martial him, Chowdhury let him get away with resignation.

But a bigger disaster struck a bit to the south where the other division cracked up in assault, just as it encountered a bit of resistance. Several infantry battalions, short on battle inoculation, deserted and Singh gives a hair-raising account – and confirmation of a long-debated rumour – that Chowdhury panicked so badly he ordered him to withdraw to a new defensive line behind the Beas, thereby conceding half of Punjab to Pakistan. Singh describes the conversation with Chowdhury at Ambala where he refused to carry out the order, asking his chief to either put it down in writing or visit the front and take charge of the battle. Chowdhury waffled even on that panicky decision, Singh’s artillery and some rag-tag armour lured the Pattons into soggy ground on a moonlit night and the result was the greatest escape to victory in our post-Independence military history. What was to be a spectacular Pakistani breakthrough right up
to Panipat became a great rout of its armour.

The official history confirms not just this but also another great failing of that war, the inability of the Indian Air Force to not only provide a decisive edge on the battlefield but to even match up to the Pakistanis. It did not participate in any of the big battles. Many of its attacks were casual, half-hearted, even suicidal, as the decision of opening the campaign with four Vampires, one of history’s first jets, made of plywood, to block the Pakistani advance in Chhamb. All four were shot, and IAF opened the campaign with a 0-4 deficit. Then followed a bizarre story of no communication between the army and the air force. The army apparently thought it could sort out the Pakistanis by itself. The air force thought it was fighting a war exclusively with the PAF.

There was evidently too little communication between the army, air force and the political leadership. The IAF, for example, was told to stay back in the hangars in the eastern sector even when the PAF launched withering attacks on Kalaikunda and Bagdogra. Even after the disastrous Chhamb engagement, the IAF was so casual as to leave a whole bunch of frontline aircraft exposed at Pathankot, within minutes of flying time from PAF bases, and the result was another disaster in a raid at dusk. The Pakistanis seemed to have such a free run they even shot down the Dakota carrying the then chief minister of Gujarat, Balwant Rai Mehta, deep inside our territory, at night.

Many of us have read with great resentment and scepticism claims of writers like former PAF chief Air Marshall Asghar Khan (India-Pakistan War: The First Round) and British writer John Fricker who give Pakistan a TKO victory in the 1965 air war. Fricker, in particular, gave these claims international currency with his controversial article, ‘30 Seconds over Sargodha’, which described ‘‘how’’ a PAF pilot shot down four Indian Hunters in 30 seconds over the Sargodha airbase. These claims are highly inflated. But the fact remains that in 1965 the IAF failed to tilt the balance in any theatre of the war. Singh says the IAF was simply not prepared for war, physically or mentally. The IAF commanders from that period, including the then chief Arjan Singh, say the army never kept them in the loop. But the fact is that all of them, even the eastern and western command chiefs, were decorated after the war. There were no questions asked.

There weren’t any asked elsewhere either. Every single army general even remotely connected with the war effort was decorated, including the Strike Corps commander in the Sialkot sector who did not cover five miles in 15 days. Chowdhury himself was cast as some kind of a swadeshi Rommel, though he never got within shouting distance of the war. And even the then naval chief was decorated though his fleet remained firmly in harbour, failing to stir out even after the Pakistanis cockily pounded Dwarka.

The dangers in perpetuating mythologies built during a war into a kind of instant military history are obvious. It is impossible to first generously lionise and decorate people and to then hold them accountable for what they did wrong during a war. We obviously learnt some lessons from these in 1965 and the result was a decisive, premeditated campaign and victory in 1971. The key to that lightning campaign was total understanding between the army and the IAF. But if you look back on the way we once again rushed to hand out decorations post-Kargil and how closed we still are to the idea of finding out how on earth we let so many Pakistanis get so well entrenched on so much territory for so long, you wonder if the lessons of 1965 are so thoroughly forgotten that we are willing to make the same mistakes again.

typical pakistani propaganda,,pick and choose and hide ur deficiences...therefore look where r u guys..counted as one of the failing nations in the world...on the other hand we learn from our mistakes and better ourselves which is why we know India will succeed whereas Pakistan has nothing but go down...

and btw PAF performed well in comparison to IAF only becoz u had superior american planes and IAF ran more offensive operations...but overall Pakistan got nothing out of the war and strategically lost the war...the only reason u guys celebrate is u guys have nothing to celebrate about in ur history. We do not celebrate becoz we have much bigger victory in 1971...
Read this below:

At the conclusion of the war, many Pakistanis considered the performance of their military to be positive. 6 September is celebrated as Defence Day in Pakistan, in commemoration of the successful defence of Lahore against the Indian army. The performance of the Pakistani Air Force, in particular, was praised.

However, the Pakistani government was accused by foreign analysts of spreading disinformation among its citizens regarding the actual consequences of the war.[119] In his book "Mainsprings of Indian and Pakistani foreign policies", S.M. Burke writes[18] —

After the Indo-Pakistani war of 1965 the balance of military power had decisively shifted in favor of India. Pakistan had found it difficult to replace the heavy equipment lost during that conflict while her adversary, despite her economic and political problems, had been determinedly building up her strength.

Most observers agree that the myth of a mobile, hard hitting Pakistan Army was badly dented in the war, as critical breakthroughs were not made.[120] Several Pakistani writers criticized the military's ill-founded belief that their "martial race" of soldiers could defeat "Hindu India" in the war. Rasul Bux Rais, a Pakistani political analyst wrote

The 1965 war with India proved that Pakistan could neither break the formidable Indian defenses in a blitzkrieg fashion nor could she sustain an all-out conflict for long.



So for once stop reading Pakistani propaganda. You and ur country will be better served

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

typical pakistani propaganda,,pick and choose and hide ur deficiences...therefore look where r u guys..counted as one of the failing nations in the world...on the other hand we learn from our mistakes and better ourselves which is why we know India will succeed whereas Pakistan has nothing but go down...

and btw PAF performed well in comparison to IAF only becoz u had superior american planes and IAF ran more offensive operations...but overall Pakistan got nothing out of the war and strategically lost the war...the only reason u guys celebrate is u guys have nothing to celebrate about in ur history. We do not celebrate becoz we have much bigger victory in 1971...
Read this below:

At the conclusion of the war, many Pakistanis considered the performance of their military to be positive. 6 September is celebrated as Defence Day in Pakistan, in commemoration of the successful defence of Lahore against the Indian army. The performance of the Pakistani Air Force, in particular, was praised.

However, the Pakistani government was accused by foreign analysts of spreading disinformation among its citizens regarding the actual consequences of the war.[119] In his book "Mainsprings of Indian and Pakistani foreign policies", S.M. Burke writes[18] —

After the Indo-Pakistani war of 1965 the balance of military power had decisively shifted in favor of India. Pakistan had found it difficult to replace the heavy equipment lost during that conflict while her adversary, despite her economic and political problems, had been determinedly building up her strength.

Most observers agree that the myth of a mobile, hard hitting Pakistan Army was badly dented in the war, as critical breakthroughs were not made.[120] Several Pakistani writers criticized the military's ill-founded belief that their "martial race" of soldiers could defeat "Hindu India" in the war. Rasul Bux Rais, a Pakistani political analyst wrote

The 1965 war with India proved that Pakistan could neither break the formidable Indian defenses in a blitzkrieg fashion nor could she sustain an all-out conflict for long.



So for once stop reading Pakistani propaganda. You and ur country will be better served

I quoted international sources,papers even your own generals .. so how's that Pakistani propoganda?

 

[Menace2Society]

Indians like to push to the world that Bollywood is an indicator of looks in India when it represents 0.00000000001% of India and they all have had plastic surgery.

Pakistanis are by a clear distance better looking than Indians. You walk down a street in Pakistan and you will see better looking people, albeit unkept, but better looking nevertheless per capita than India.

Girls in the west love Pakistani guys for their strength and looks. Girls only respect Indians when they are their math teacher.

 

[Ryuzaki]

Indians like to push to the world that Bollywood is an indicator of looks in India when it represents 0.00000000001% of India and they all have had plastic surgery.

Pakistanis are by a clear distance better looking than Indians. You walk down a street in Pakistan and you will see better looking people, albeit unkept, but better looking nevertheless per capita than India.

Girls in the west love Pakistani guys for their strength and looks. Girls only respect Indians when they are their math teacher.

 

[Supply&Demand]

I quoted international sources,papers even your own generals .. so how's that Pakistani propoganda?

where did our generals say that Pakistan won the war? they said India did mistakes and we have to learn from it..Even when u win u have to analyse,,unlike u we do that and we succeed...no wonder Pakistanis can never learn from their mistakes and keep repeating them again and again

Indians like to push to the world that Bollywood is an indicator of looks in India when it represents 0.00000000001% of India and they all have had plastic surgery.

Pakistanis are by a clear distance better looking than Indians. You walk down a street in Pakistan and you will see better looking people, albeit unkept, but better looking nevertheless per capita than India.

Girls in the west love Pakistani guys for their strength and looks. Girls only respect Indians when they are their math teacher.

OMG!!!!! ha ha ha ...ROFL!!!!..stop now...i cant laugh anymore!!!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

where did our generals say that Pakistan won the war? they said India did mistakes and we have to learn from it..Even when u win u have to analyse,,unlike u we do that and we succeed...no wonder Pakistanis can never learn from their mistakes and keep repeating them again and again






OMG!!!!! ha ha ha ...ROFL!!!!..stop now...i cant laugh anymore!!!

So you won 65 war? Really ? If you believe that good for you ... Your govt thinks otherwise.

 

[Supply&Demand]

So you won 65 war? Really ? If you believe that good for you ... Your govt thinks otherwise.

Can u show me what my govt thinks on this? btw the world thinks the war started by Pakistan ended in a stalemate and Indian strategic victory.

Do u disagree with any of this? I guess u will...Som1 who has been fed lies by the govt propaganda for a long time will not change his opinion and mindset..

 

[doppelganger]

we all seen his pics that he posted...

I had not. Its the internet man. Anyone can post anything. Maybe Zarvan is a hot devout fundamentalist chick posting the photo of her brother?

 

[Salik]

No one chose to be looked like how they look like. Its gene that control every thing. Ahead it will be human that will control the genes. You have no idea what genetics and human engineering is going to do. It's gonna change whole philosophy of body and beauty.

Such threads are archives for our next generations how our forefather argued. So chill and keep it up. : )

 

[Kabira]

No one chose to be looked like how they look like. Its gene that control every thing. Ahead it will be human that will control the genes. You have no idea what genetics and human engineering is going to do. It's gonna change whole philosophy of body and beauty.

Such threads are archives for our next generations how our forefather argued. So chill and keep it up. : )

Future is now, ancient hindus already mastered gene control.

Indian couples seek ‘white’ donors for fair kids

"The couple wanted a donor with ‘very fair’ skin, but as someone with such special physical attributes was not available on Indian databases, the couple decided to look abroad for Caucasian or ‘white’ egg donors."

Bollywood have fucked up mindset of apu Indian

 

[Burhan Wani]

I love bangali aren't they exotic. Saad Bro ;-)

What can i say

 

[Mr.Nair]

I visited her account yesterday and she had like 21K followers, now they've become 24.5K; smart, I guess.

But anyways, thank you, ma'am.

The story is like who become more famous, a honest person or a criminal ! Of course a criminal.