Indians view US as biggest threat after China, blame on NATO and US than on Vladimir Putin for Ukraine war: survey shows

[Hecig]

Mao never expected that he would sheler Dalai Lama and the Tibetan "exile government" in 1959. It's the beginning of the end of two countries normal relationship.

This is Pure Rubbish since India has had a LONG LONG history of offering Refuge to All kinds of political and Religious refugees. India has never ONCE in its history refused refugees.

Starting from the Jews, to Parsis (Iran), to Syrian Christians, to Siddhis (Afro), to Tibetan Buddhists , to Sri Lankan Tamils, to Bangladeshis, to Afghans etc. its an unbroken tradition and part of the Hindu value system.

This is Nehru's letter to Chou En-Lai, first premier of the People's Republic of China.

Jawaharlal Nehru wrote to Chou En-Lai emphasizing the need for a peaceful settlement of the Sino-Tibetan problem. It was not because Nehru was concerned about Tibet but because it would be detrimental to China's admission to the UN Security Council. The letter emphasized that the timing was bad:

"In Tibet there is not likely to be any serious military opposition, and any delay in settling the matter will, therefore, not affect Chinese interests or a suitable final settlement. The Government of India's interest in the matter is only to see that the admission of the Peoples' Government to the United Nations is not again postponed due to causes which could be avoided."

Inviting an Invasion: Jawaharlal Nehru's Tibetan Blunder​

Meanwhile here is a history of US China cooperation against India.

US encouraged China to attack India: Nixon tapes​

The close China-Pakistan relationship was central to Nixon's wish to 'tilt' US policy toward Pakistan, in part to demonstrate to Beijing that Washington would support its allies.

'I think we've got to tell (the Chinese) that some movement on their part toward the Indian border could be very significant,' Kissinger said, according to the document.

On December 8, 1971, Nixon and Kissinger agreed to transfer planes to Pakistan and to tell China that 'if you are ever going to move, this is the time.' Kissinger noted the danger that could arise 'if our bluff is called.'

Later on December 8, Nixon and Kissinger decided to send an aircraft carrier and other naval forces to the Bay of Bengal in order to prevent a "Soviet stooge, supported by Soviet arms" from overrunning Pakistan.

On December 10, Kissinger delicately encouraged China to take action against India, and guaranteed US support if the Soviets retaliated.

'If the People's Republic were to consider the situation on the Indian subcontinent a threat to security, and if it took measures to protect its security, the US would oppose efforts of others to interfere with the People's Republic,' the document quotes Kissinger as saying.


Even pakistan claimed that China has moved its troops against India in the NE and Indians are not making this news public to save Face.


Only China never did.

1971 War: How the US tried to corner India​

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It is here that the Chinese saga began. In a tightly guarded secret, Nixon had started contacts with Beijing. The postman was Pakistani dictator Field Marshal Yahya Khan.

When on April 28 1971, Kissinger sent a note defining the future policy option towards Pakistan, Nixon replied in a handwritten note: 'Don't squeeze Yahya at this time.' The Pakistan president was not to be squeezed because he was in the process of arranging Kissinger's first secret meeting to China. The events of the following months and the US position should be seen in this perspective.

....
During the second week of July, Kissinger went to Beijing where he was told by then Chinese prime minister Zhou Enlai: 'In our opinion, if India continues on its present course in disregard of world opinion, it will continue to go on recklessly. We, however, support the stand of Pakistan. This is known to the world. If they (the Indians) are bent on provoking such a situation, then we cannot sit idly by.' Kissinger answered that Zhou should know that the US sympathies also lay with Pakistan.

....
The CIA reported to the President: 'She (Indira Gandhi) hopes the Chinese (will) not intervene physically in the North; however, the Soviets have warned her that the Chinese are still able to "rattle the sword" in Ladakh and Chumbi areas.'

.....
On November 10, Nixon instructed Kissinger to ask the Chinese to move some troops toward the Indian frontier. 'Threaten to move forces or move them, Henry, that's what they must do now.'

This was conveyed to Huang Hua, China's envoy to the United Nations. Kissinger told Huang the US would be prepared for a military confrontation with the Soviet Union if the Soviet Union attacked China.

On December 12, the White House received an urgent message. The Chinese wanted to meet in New York. General Alexander Haig, then Kissinger's deputy, rushed to the venue, but was disappointed. Huang just wanted to convey his government's stand in the UN, no words of an attack in Sikkim or in the then North East Frontier Agency (now, the northeastern states).

The myth of the Chinese intervention is also visible in the secret Pakistani dispatches. Lieutenant General A A K Niazi, the Pakistani army commander in Dhaka, was informed: 'NEFA front has been activated by Chinese although the Indians for obvious reasons have not announced it.'

Until the last day of the war, Pakistan expected its Chinese saviour to strike, but Beijing never did.

In Washington, Nixon analysed the situation thus: 'If the Russians get away with facing down the Chinese and the Indians get away with licking the Pakistanis...we may be looking down the gun barrel.' Nixon was not sure about China. Did they really intend to start a military action against India?

 

[SoulSpokesman]

And 22 per cent saw the US as the second-most significant security threat,

These 22% would be mostly Muslims and Commies. Mercifully, they have little or no influence on the current Modi administration.

Regards

 

[beijingwalker]

This is Pure Rubbish since India has had a LONG LONG history of offering Refuge to All kinds of political and Religious refugees. India has never ONCE in its history refused refugees.

Starting from the Jews, to Parsis (Iran), to Syrian Christians, to Siddhis (Afro), to Tibetan Buddhists , to Sri Lankan Tamils, to Bangladeshis, to Afghans etc. its an unbroken tradition and part of the Hindu value system.

This is Nehru's letter to Chou En-Lai, first premier of the People's Republic of China.

Jawaharlal Nehru wrote to Chou En-Lai emphasizing the need for a peaceful settlement of the Sino-Tibetan problem. It was not because Nehru was concerned about Tibet but because it would be detrimental to China's admission to the UN Security Council. The letter emphasized that the timing was bad:

"In Tibet there is not likely to be any serious military opposition, and any delay in settling the matter will, therefore, not affect Chinese interests or a suitable final settlement. The Government of India's interest in the matter is only to see that the admission of the Peoples' Government to the United Nations is not again postponed due to causes which could be avoided."

Inviting an Invasion: Jawaharlal Nehru's Tibetan Blunder​

Meanwhile here is a history of US China cooperation against India.

US encouraged China to attack India: Nixon tapes​

The close China-Pakistan relationship was central to Nixon's wish to 'tilt' US policy toward Pakistan, in part to demonstrate to Beijing that Washington would support its allies.

'I think we've got to tell (the Chinese) that some movement on their part toward the Indian border could be very significant,' Kissinger said, according to the document.

On December 8, 1971, Nixon and Kissinger agreed to transfer planes to Pakistan and to tell China that 'if you are ever going to move, this is the time.' Kissinger noted the danger that could arise 'if our bluff is called.'

Later on December 8, Nixon and Kissinger decided to send an aircraft carrier and other naval forces to the Bay of Bengal in order to prevent a "Soviet stooge, supported by Soviet arms" from overrunning Pakistan.

On December 10, Kissinger delicately encouraged China to take action against India, and guaranteed US support if the Soviets retaliated.

'If the People's Republic were to consider the situation on the Indian subcontinent a threat to security, and if it took measures to protect its security, the US would oppose efforts of others to interfere with the People's Republic,' the document quotes Kissinger as saying.


Even pakistan claimed that China has moved its troops against India in the NE and Indians are not making this news public to save Face.


Only China never did.

1971 War: How the US tried to corner India​

.....
It is here that the Chinese saga began. In a tightly guarded secret, Nixon had started contacts with Beijing. The postman was Pakistani dictator Field Marshal Yahya Khan.

When on April 28 1971, Kissinger sent a note defining the future policy option towards Pakistan, Nixon replied in a handwritten note: 'Don't squeeze Yahya at this time.' The Pakistan president was not to be squeezed because he was in the process of arranging Kissinger's first secret meeting to China. The events of the following months and the US position should be seen in this perspective.

....
During the second week of July, Kissinger went to Beijing where he was told by then Chinese prime minister Zhou Enlai: 'In our opinion, if India continues on its present course in disregard of world opinion, it will continue to go on recklessly. We, however, support the stand of Pakistan. This is known to the world. If they (the Indians) are bent on provoking such a situation, then we cannot sit idly by.' Kissinger answered that Zhou should know that the US sympathies also lay with Pakistan.

....
The CIA reported to the President: 'She (Indira Gandhi) hopes the Chinese (will) not intervene physically in the North; however, the Soviets have warned her that the Chinese are still able to "rattle the sword" in Ladakh and Chumbi areas.'

.....
On November 10, Nixon instructed Kissinger to ask the Chinese to move some troops toward the Indian frontier. 'Threaten to move forces or move them, Henry, that's what they must do now.'

This was conveyed to Huang Hua, China's envoy to the United Nations. Kissinger told Huang the US would be prepared for a military confrontation with the Soviet Union if the Soviet Union attacked China.

On December 12, the White House received an urgent message. The Chinese wanted to meet in New York. General Alexander Haig, then Kissinger's deputy, rushed to the venue, but was disappointed. Huang just wanted to convey his government's stand in the UN, no words of an attack in Sikkim or in the then North East Frontier Agency (now, the northeastern states).

The myth of the Chinese intervention is also visible in the secret Pakistani dispatches. Lieutenant General A A K Niazi, the Pakistani army commander in Dhaka, was informed: 'NEFA front has been activated by Chinese although the Indians for obvious reasons have not announced it.'

Until the last day of the war, Pakistan expected its Chinese saviour to strike, but Beijing never did.

In Washington, Nixon analysed the situation thus: 'If the Russians get away with facing down the Chinese and the Indians get away with licking the Pakistanis...we may be looking down the gun barrel.' Nixon was not sure about China. Did they really intend to start a military action against India?

If China sheltered an ‘’exile government‘’ and their "spiritual leader" of an Indian rebel province, what would India feel about? China actually didn't want a war with India back then cause China was experiencing a severe food shortage all across the country and was falling out with USSR, China made some compromises and proposed several border plans but they were all arrogantly rejected by Nehru. Even India admitted that they encroached into China' territories north of Mcmahon line, you should stop lying and everyone knows your notorious and highly provocative "Forward Policy", 1962 spanking was what you rightly deserved for those misadventures.

 

[etylo]

This is Pure Rubbish since India has had a LONG LONG history of offering Refuge to All kinds of political and Religious refugees. India has never ONCE in its history refused refugees.

Starting from the Jews, to Parsis (Iran), to Syrian Christians, to Siddhis (Afro), to Tibetan Buddhists , to Sri Lankan Tamils, to Bangladeshis, to Afghans etc. its an unbroken tradition and part of the Hindu value system.

This is Nehru's letter to Chou En-Lai, first premier of the People's Republic of China.

Jawaharlal Nehru wrote to Chou En-Lai emphasizing the need for a peaceful settlement of the Sino-Tibetan problem. It was not because Nehru was concerned about Tibet but because it would be detrimental to China's admission to the UN Security Council. The letter emphasized that the timing was bad:

"In Tibet there is not likely to be any serious military opposition, and any delay in settling the matter will, therefore, not affect Chinese interests or a suitable final settlement. The Government of India's interest in the matter is only to see that the admission of the Peoples' Government to the United Nations is not again postponed due to causes which could be avoided."

Inviting an Invasion: Jawaharlal Nehru's Tibetan Blunder​

Meanwhile here is a history of US China cooperation against India.

US encouraged China to attack India: Nixon tapes​

The close China-Pakistan relationship was central to Nixon's wish to 'tilt' US policy toward Pakistan, in part to demonstrate to Beijing that Washington would support its allies.

'I think we've got to tell (the Chinese) that some movement on their part toward the Indian border could be very significant,' Kissinger said, according to the document.

On December 8, 1971, Nixon and Kissinger agreed to transfer planes to Pakistan and to tell China that 'if you are ever going to move, this is the time.' Kissinger noted the danger that could arise 'if our bluff is called.'

Later on December 8, Nixon and Kissinger decided to send an aircraft carrier and other naval forces to the Bay of Bengal in order to prevent a "Soviet stooge, supported by Soviet arms" from overrunning Pakistan.

On December 10, Kissinger delicately encouraged China to take action against India, and guaranteed US support if the Soviets retaliated.

'If the People's Republic were to consider the situation on the Indian subcontinent a threat to security, and if it took measures to protect its security, the US would oppose efforts of others to interfere with the People's Republic,' the document quotes Kissinger as saying.


Even pakistan claimed that China has moved its troops against India in the NE and Indians are not making this news public to save Face.


Only China never did.

1971 War: How the US tried to corner India​

.....
It is here that the Chinese saga began. In a tightly guarded secret, Nixon had started contacts with Beijing. The postman was Pakistani dictator Field Marshal Yahya Khan.

When on April 28 1971, Kissinger sent a note defining the future policy option towards Pakistan, Nixon replied in a handwritten note: 'Don't squeeze Yahya at this time.' The Pakistan president was not to be squeezed because he was in the process of arranging Kissinger's first secret meeting to China. The events of the following months and the US position should be seen in this perspective.

....
During the second week of July, Kissinger went to Beijing where he was told by then Chinese prime minister Zhou Enlai: 'In our opinion, if India continues on its present course in disregard of world opinion, it will continue to go on recklessly. We, however, support the stand of Pakistan. This is known to the world. If they (the Indians) are bent on provoking such a situation, then we cannot sit idly by.' Kissinger answered that Zhou should know that the US sympathies also lay with Pakistan.

....
The CIA reported to the President: 'She (Indira Gandhi) hopes the Chinese (will) not intervene physically in the North; however, the Soviets have warned her that the Chinese are still able to "rattle the sword" in Ladakh and Chumbi areas.'

.....
On November 10, Nixon instructed Kissinger to ask the Chinese to move some troops toward the Indian frontier. 'Threaten to move forces or move them, Henry, that's what they must do now.'

This was conveyed to Huang Hua, China's envoy to the United Nations. Kissinger told Huang the US would be prepared for a military confrontation with the Soviet Union if the Soviet Union attacked China.

On December 12, the White House received an urgent message. The Chinese wanted to meet in New York. General Alexander Haig, then Kissinger's deputy, rushed to the venue, but was disappointed. Huang just wanted to convey his government's stand in the UN, no words of an attack in Sikkim or in the then North East Frontier Agency (now, the northeastern states).

The myth of the Chinese intervention is also visible in the secret Pakistani dispatches. Lieutenant General A A K Niazi, the Pakistani army commander in Dhaka, was informed: 'NEFA front has been activated by Chinese although the Indians for obvious reasons have not announced it.'

Until the last day of the war, Pakistan expected its Chinese saviour to strike, but Beijing never did.

In Washington, Nixon analysed the situation thus: 'If the Russians get away with facing down the Chinese and the Indians get away with licking the Pakistanis...we may be looking down the gun barrel.' Nixon was not sure about China. Did they really intend to start a military action against India?

Wow, the biggest joke you made, you convienently ignored the 1962 war but deflected to 1971 Pakistani crisis. In 1959, Nehru sheltered Dala Lama, leading up to 1962, Nehru was ordering Indian troops to march forward on Chinese territory and occupy it, such action directly led to the border war. The time was under US president Kennedy who was very anti-China, India had both Soviet and US support at the time. We are talking about Nehru, Mao and Dala Lama and the 1962 war, not Ghandi and Pakistan war. For gods sake, dont talk nonsense here, the culprit here was/is India want to occupy Tibet, that led to the 1962 war and current conflicts.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Indians view US as biggest threat after China, blame on NATO and US than on Vladimir Putin for Ukraine war: survey shows​

January 17 2023

• Respondents said US bigger threat than arch-rival Pakistan
• 60% of those polled urged Modi to keep purchasing Russian oil

WASHINGTON – Indians view the United States as the biggest military threat after China and place greater blame on Nato and Washington than on Russian President Vladimir Putin for his war in Ukraine, according to a new survey.

Some 43 per cent of the 1,000 respondents perceived China – with whom India has a long-lingering border dispute and has seen tensions flare again since 2020 – as the greatest threat, according to the survey by Morning Consult, a US-based global business intelligence company.

And 22 per cent saw the US as the second-most significant security threat, ahead of India’s historic arch-rival Pakistan, the survey showed.

“While the world’s two largest democracies would seem to make for natural partners, especially given their mutual mistrust of China, Indians have strategic reasons to be wary of the world’s Western superpower,” according to Ms Sonnet Frisbie and Mr Scott Moskowitz, who oversaw the survey released on Tuesday.

“As tensions between Washington and Beijing increase, the Indian public may be worried about getting caught in the middle of a US-China conflict that destabilises regional security, putting India at risk.”

The concerns reflected in the survey about the risks from Washington persist despite the South Asian nation’s closer partnership with the US, Australia, and Japan – or the Quad, a grouping of democracies formed to counter Beijing’s economic and military ambitions.

India has remained neutral on the Russian war in Ukraine despite pressure from its Quad partners – refraining from United Nations censure votes, while urging a diplomatic solution to ease the food and fertilizer crunch triggered by the crisis. It has also continued to snap up cheap Russian oil.

The survey, conducted on Oct 14-15, found that 60 per cent of the respondents want the government to continue purchasing oil from Russia and 48 per cent of them said Russia should remain India’s preferred military equipment provider, compared to 44 per cent for the US.

Some 49 per cent also want Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government to continue military exercises with the country.

More Indians blame the US and Nato for the war in Ukraine because “historical ties with Russia formed during the Cold War and India’s post-independence period run deeper than India’s relatively new relationship with the US”, said Ms Shumita Deveshwar, senior director of India research at TS Lombard.

Russia as the main supplier of weapons and cheap oil to India is also “embedded in the mindset of the people, and that takes much longer to change”, she said. BLOOMBERG

Indians View US as Biggest Threat After China, Survey Shows

Indians view the US as the biggest military threat after China and place greater blame on NATO and Washington than on Vladimir Putin for his war in Ukraine, according to a new survey.

www.bloomberg.com

Yes, I agreed.

Pakistan used to have no. 1 but at least 20 years ago it changed. We feel now the biggest threat come from China.

General public opinion is much more friendly to Russia due to historical friendship.

Any day Indian people will pick Russia rather than the USA.

Most believe that USA is not trustworthy.

 

[retaxis]

Wow, the biggest joke you made, you convienently ignored the 1962 war but deflected to 1971 Pakistani crisis. In 1959, Nehru sheltered Dala Lama, leading up to 1962, Nehru was ordering Indian troops to march forward on Chinese territory and occupy it, such action directly led to the border war. The time was under US president Kennedy who was very anti-China, India had both Soviet and US support at the time. We are talking about Nehru, Mao and Dala Lama and the 1962 war, not Ghandi and Pakistan war. For gods sake, dont talk nonsense here, the culprit here was/is India want to occupy Tibet, that led to the 1962 war and current conflicts.

India thought since China has fallen out with the Soviets and are 'enemies' and also enemies of US, It would be good time to attack since India is at least backed by the USSR. They found out the hard way that China doesn't need anyone but themselves.

 

[Hecig]

If China sheltered an ‘’exile government‘’ and their "spiritual leader" of an Indian rebel province, what would India feel about? China actually didn't want a war with India back then cause China was experiencing a severe food shortage all across the country and was falling out with USSR, China made some compromises and proposed several border plans but they were all arrogantly rejected by Nehru. Even India admitted that they encroached into China' territories north of Mcmahon line, you should stop lying and everyone knows your notorious and highly provocative "Forward Policy", 1962 spanking was what you rightly deserved for those misadventures.

Your post is Defensive and attempts to "justify" the illegal actions of china. You do that because you know china was at fault here.

But this is unnecessary because NO ONE CARES WHY china did what they did. People only care about WHAT china did.

Same goes for all Nations or even individuals. Only WHAT they did matter, not Why they did.

I have stated history as it played out and people are free to draw their own conclusion. Your propaganda is pointless.

China has already hosted and aided Indian Rebel groups in clear violation of its panchasheel policy. There is no illusion in India regarding the true nature of China and chinese character (or lack off).

Members of the Naga National Council (NNC) in China during a training programme.

Actual chinese weapons seized in Indian NE.

Anyway this is not the 1960's or 1970's anymore and all Nations have changed for the better or worse. We live in a New reality and we act as per today's reality.

India truly needed the spanking of 1962 because without it we would have turned into a bannana republic since Nehru had plans to defund and disband the Armed Forces. 1962 Changed all of that for ever and for the better.

 

[beijingwalker]

Your post is Defensive and attempts to "justify" the illegal actions of china. You do that because you know china was at fault here.

But this is unnecessary because NO ONE CARES WHY china did what they did. People only care about WHAT china did.

Same goes for all Nations or even individuals. Only WHAT they did matter, not Why they did.

I have stated history as it played out and people are free to draw their own conclusion. Your propaganda is pointless.

China has already hosted and aided Indian Rebel groups in clear violation of its panchasheel policy. There is no illusion in India regarding the true nature of China and chinese character (or lack off).

Members of the Naga National Council (NNC) in China during a training programme.

Actual chinese weapons seized in Indian NE.

Anyway this is not the 1960's or 1970's anymore and all Nations have changed for the better or worse. We live in a New reality and we act as per today's reality.

India truly needed the spanking of 1962 because without it we would have turned into a bannana republic since Nehru had plans to defund and disband the Armed Forces. 1962 Changed all of that for ever and for the better.

US weapons can be found in every country, what can it prove? and does China host any "excile government" or rebel organizations from India?

 

[Hecig]

US weapons can be found in every country, what can it prove? and does China host any "excile government" or rebel organizations from India?

China is NOT the US. China is state controlled and nothing moves in china without the knowledge and implicit/explicit permission of the govt.

This is a False Equivalence.

As a new member I can post only 3-4 posts in 24 hrs, so this is my last post regarding this.

 

[beijingwalker]

China is NOT the US. China is state controlled and nothing moves in china without the knowledge and implicit/explicit permission of the govt.

This is a False Equivalence.

As a new member I can post only 3-4 posts in 24 hrs, so this is my last post regarding this.

This is BS, whatever US does is ok and China is not, and I ask you again, does China host any "excile government" or rebel organizations from India?

 

[Hecig]

This is BS, whatever US does is ok and China is not, and I ask you again, does China host any "excile government" or rebel organizations from India?

Your confusion is understandable. This is the same confusion and issue the US has when dealing with India.

Why doesn't your propaganda work when it comes to India ?

The answer is really quite simple if you are truly seeking an answer.

Both US and China are "Rule" based society. India is a TRUTH based society.

Your societies and govt. follow the "rules". Indian society and govt. follow the Truth.

You (US/China) share common "values" where "rules" can be bent to suit your convenience.

Indian values are fixed and immutable because its ancient and has stood the test of time.

 

[beijingwalker]

Both US and China are "Rule" based society. India is a TRUTH based society.

lol, I can't believe what I m reading

 

[etylo]

lol, I can't believe what I m reading

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Some clown has the gall to claim their country is a truth based society, the biggest joke I hear for quite some time, this slum countrys people lie and cheat as no others on earth.

 

[Hecig]

lol, I can't believe what I m reading

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Where is the contradiction ?

Indians on an average go through multiple sources to find the truth. This means even fake news gets viewership when people search for the truth.

Not that your post has any merit. There is No such reliable "survey" of "fake news" globally. Its just propaganda and setting a Narrative.

In any case you are free to believe what ever suits your agenda. My reply was for those who are genuinely interested in understanding Indian perspective.


What are you 10 favorite rules in china ?

 

[beijingwalker]

Where is the contradiction ?

Indians on an average go through multiple sources to find the truth. This means even fake news gets viewership when people search for the truth.

Not that your post has any merit. There is No such reliable "survey" of "fake news" globally. Its just propaganda and setting a Narrative.

In any case you are free to believe what ever suits your agenda. My reply was for those who are genuinely interested in understanding Indian perspective.


What are you 10 favorite rules in china ?

Lol, you are so delusional, go and ask around what people from other countries think of your claim that India is a TRUTH based society.