Indian soldiers at LAC have go-ahead to open fire in self-defence, India tells China

[SuperStar20]

Indians decided 73 years after birth that they should use guns in self defence...

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Should someone get a vir chakra for this master stroke of military thought?

I agree with it. It is stupid Modi govt trying to be nice with china.

 

[beijingwalker]

Please don't compare Indian army with those crying sissies. Scared of gunshots

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Good move by Indian Army, It confuses the PLA soldiers. They can't vacate or move forward.

GB just wants to claim some moral high ground. As for India, now I start to wonder if China really needs to fight India, India now is crashing like a comet, it is fast destroying itself from within.

 

[Peace be there]

@FOOLS_NIGHTMARE you are missing here.As I said earlier you are fond of opening threads to kill time,need a job Abdul,text me.

 

[SuperStar20]

GB just wants to claim some moral high ground. As for India, now I start to wonder if China really needs to fight India, India now is crashing like a comet, it is fast destroying itself from within.

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GDP is down because India went into near complete lockdown and shutdown. Capability is not destroyed or reduced. It will come back as soon as things get normal.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

need a job Abdul,text me

Malu bhai i have 50 dudes like you working for me, some Indians as well. I am not anti Hindu as i love my Pakistani Hindu community. As for yourself i consider you as part of a greater future Pakistani community, no hard feelings. Regarding this thread i opened a similar one.

 

[diligence]

Indian soldiers at LAC have go-ahead to open fire in self-defence, India tells China
With no signs of disengagement on the ground in Ladakh, where India and China have been locked in a stand-off since April, both sides will stay dug in during the region’s bitter winter too.
SNEHESH ALEX PHILIP 24 September, 2020 9:13 pm IST

File photo of Army Chief General M.M. Naravane at Leh to review security situation and operational preparedness along the Line of Actual Control in Eastern Ladakh | Photo: Twitter/@adgpi
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New Delhi: India has made it clear to China that its soldiers will open fire to defend themselves, and Chinese tactics of “using mass” — or seeking to outnumber Indian soldiers, like in the 15 June Galwan Valley clash — will not be tolerated, top government sources said.

With no signs of disengagement on the ground in Ladakh, where India and China have been locked in a stand-off since April, both sides will stay dug in during the region’s bitter winter too, the sources added. The Chinese, they added, have deployed around 50,000 soldiers and equipment, including missile systems, tanks and artillery, at the border.

The sources’ comments come as the ground situation in Ladakh remains the same despite the Chinese seemingly adopting a reconciliatory approach during different levels of dialogue. They suggest that India has changed its rules of engagement for the Line of Actual Control (LAC), where firing of shots was thus far barred under a bilateral agreement, since the 15 June Galwan Valley clash.

The clash had resulted in the death of 20 Indian soldiers, including a commanding officer, and many Chinese troops.

“We have told our soldiers that they can open fire if there is a fear of their own safety. They can fire for self-defence,” a source said, adding that China has been told the same.
According to the sources, there is no question of believing Chinese words of peace unless their deeds on the ground match up. The sources also said China has given them a number for the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) soldiers killed in the Galwan Valley clash — a number Beijing has yet to publicly acknowledge.

The Chinese, sources said, have told the Indian side that five of their soldiers, including a commanding officer, had died in the clash. “If the Chinese are saying five, we can easily double it if not triple it,” a top South Block officer said.


Chinese soldiers far outnumbered Indian troops during the Galwan Valley clash, which took place after a disengagement effort went awry.


“The Chinese tactic was to come in large numbers with clubs and crude weapons and surround Indians, who followed the laid-down protocols and moved in a much lesser manner,” one of the sources quoted above said.

“According to the agreement, both sides are supposed to have a 15-20-member-strong patrol team. Over the last few years (since Doklam), the Chinese started increasing numbers,” the source added..

Sources said since the intervening night of 29-30 August, when Indian soldiers moved in to capture several heights near the southern bank of the Pangong Tso, there has been a number of occasions when shots were fired in the air.


Also Read: India, China say won’t send more troops to Ladakh frontlines, agree to avoid misunderstandings

‘Both sides preparing for winter deployment’
Both sides, sources said, are likely to stay deployed in the forward areas of Ladakh through the winter, with China insisting on disengaging from the southern bank of the Pangong Tso first while India has been clear that it has to happen in in all areas simultaneously.

“India is also of the opinion that since it was the Chinese who initiated the aggression, they should be the first one to start disengaging,” a source added.


The sources admitted that while India has been seeking complete disengagement and status quo ante (return to positions before the stand-off began, following Chinese incursions in April), the current positions will continue to be held for some time, as reported by ThePrint earlier this week.

“I can’t put a time-frame on when the disengagement will happen. The position stays as it is,” one of the above-mentioned sources said.

Also Read: 5 maps that tell you all you want to know about India vs China in Ladakh

‘Depsang issue predates current tensions’
Talking about Depsang Plains, one of the flashpoints in Ladakh, the sources said the issue there predates the current tensions between India and China. Without getting into a timeline, the sources said there are no Chinese soldiers camping at the Bottleneck, also known as Y-Junction.

“We go by foot beyond Bottleneck as vehicles cannot cross that area. The Chinese observe our movement and they have deployed two vehicles that come and block our path well before Patrol Point 10. But we have been reaching our patrolling points using other routes,” a source said.

“But since the tensions began, we have avoided pushing ahead so as not to create fresh escalation,” the source added, saying both sides have built up in depth areas.

Also Read: Xi’s motivations behind LAC standoff and why China has been hyperactive since 2017

Indian soldiers at LAC have go-ahead to open fire in self-defence, India tells China

With no signs of disengagement on the ground in Ladakh, where India and China have been locked in a stand-off since April, both sides will stay dug in during the region’s bitter winter too.

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It's merely a wishful thinking on the part of Indians that Chinese will get a few thousand sq. KM of Ladakh land and then settle down happily while Indians stay with the remaining Ladakh as their Union territory plus Indians would get away with the Kashmir valley and Jammu. China is very much a party now in the Kashmir dispute. It's not even a bilateral issue between Pakistan and India but rather a trilateral dispute including China. Indians tried to delink it from the UNO (by removing UN observers, etc.) and continuously repeating the mantra of bilateralism for decades. In the meantime, Indian forces kept murdering the people of occupied state of J&K. Last year Indians advanced further on their belligerent and expansionist approach declaring the state as the part of Indian union. That was a strategic blunder on Modi's part. That forced both Pakistan and China to counter Indian expansionist policies once and for all. This coming winter is going to be hard for Modi and Indians (In-Sha-Allah). How then Indians think they can get away with their decades of expansionist policies and use of terrorism against both Pakistan and China. This is the time for Indians to pay. But remind you that the price for stretagic blunders is never paid in terms of tactical measures.

 

[beijingwalker]

Capability is not destroyed or reduced. It will come back as soon as things get normal.

What capabilities do you have? manufacturing? comprehensive industries? imports and exports?

 

[SuperStar20]

What capabilities do you have? manufacturing? comprehensive industries? imports and exports?

Yes, all those things are there. Nothing is dismantled.

 

[JNUite]

Be careful what you wish for ... one wiped out Chinese platoon means the capture of New Delhi . The Chinese can just use a shooting death of a soldier as a pretense for a second invasion of India lmao.

I believe that the dead have been treated with the highest respect in the military, and that the information will eventually be reported to society at the right time, so that heroes can be honored and remembered as they deserve.

-: Hu Xijin, Editor Global Times .

 

[beijingwalker]

Yes, all those things are there. Nothing is dismantled.

LOL, You basically can't make anything. There are all there... what are all there? You don't have anything to start with.

 

[SuperStar20]

LOL, You basically can't make anything. There are all there... what are all there? You don't have anything to start with.

Thats good, nothing lose either case. What is chinese complaint then?

 

[beijingwalker]

Thats good, nothing lose either case. What is chinese complaint then?

China doesn't complain, it's India making a lot of noise, China never thinks much of India.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

I agree with it. It is stupid Modi govt trying to be nice with china.

The point is not whether it's China or not China. The point is, which other country on the planet ever made such a ridiculous treaty?

 

[SuperStar20]

The point is not whether it's China or not China. The point is, which other country on the planet ever made such a ridiculous treaty?

That also after repeated violations across entire border. This time, govt reacted because of public pressure. Otherwise business as usual.

 

[beijingwalker]

That also after repeated violations across entire border. This time, govt reacted because of public pressure. Otherwise business as usual.

Business as usaul?

China share in India imports up 5% points in April-July over last year, despite overall decline
Trade experts say India’s dependence on China for items like APIs for medicines will continue, but not-essentials like toys & plastics could be cut back.

REMYA NAIR 23 September, 2020 9:03 am IST

Container ships docked at China's Yangshan Deepwater Port, operated by Shanghai International Port Group Co. (representational image) | Photo: Qilai Shen | Bloomberg


New Delhi: Despite numerous calls to boycott Chinese goods in the aftermath of the Ladakh stand-off and the Galwan Valley clash, China’s share in India’s import basket has risen steadily in the current fiscal, led by imports of chemicals, electrical machinery and medical equipment.

China’s share in India’s total imports has gone up to 19 per cent in the April to July period of 2020-21, up from 14 per cent in the year-ago period.

Infographic: Ramandeep Kaur | ThePrint

Trade data from the Ministry of Commerce shows that the trend continued in July, as China’s share in India’s imports stood at 20 per cent, up from 15 per cent in the same month last year. After two months of lockdown, economic activity bounced back in July, raising demand for imports.

Overall, India’s total imports declined by 48 per cent in the April-July period compared to a year ago, but the decline in imports from China was much slower — the figure contracted by 29 per cent.

Infographic: Ramandeep Kaur | ThePrint

India’s exports to China have risen 31 per cent in the April-July period, with a total value of $7.3 billion. China’s share in the overall export basket has also increased by 4.5 percentage points to 9.7 per cent. All the figures are in comparison to the year-ago period.


Trade experts ThePrint spoke to pointed out that India’s dependence on China for items like active pharmaceutical ingredients for medicines and electrical equipment will continue in the near term, though India may be able to cut back on imports of non-essential items like toys and plastics.

China share in India imports up 5% points in April-July over last year, despite overall decline

Trade experts say India’s dependence on China for items like APIs for medicines will continue, but not-essentials like toys & plastics could be cut back.

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