Indian second strike capability,under gunned and underwhelming

[Ultima Thule]

Not today nor tomorrow.
they don't have a tested compact warhead and they have signed a deal not to test any more nukes.

Then why they are testing SLBM and SSBN?

 

[Safriz]

Not today nor tomorrow.
they don't have a tested compact warhead and they have signed a deal not to test any more nukes.

They don't have compact nuke , that's why they cannot MIRV their sea bases K series.
But they are fielding those with existing unitary warheads from Agni-1 and Agni-5.

 

[BHarwana]

Then why they are testing SLBM and SSBN?

They are testing all those missiles and will place a warhead that is not tested but based on a theory.

 

[randomradio]

About K-4 , K-15 and Arihant submarine, it's a bit baffling.
Taking reference from the website most Indians consider reliable source the lightest and smallest diameter Indian nuclear warhead may be the one on Agni-1 which has a blast yield of 40-50 kt. That's the one most probably used on K-15.
https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/agni-1/
On the higher side ,the Agni-4 and Agni-5 warheads are 1-1.3 meters wide and 3 metes long. That's the warhead most probably used on K-4 and has a blast yield of 150 KT.

So an Arihant submarine armed with four K-4 will have a total destructive power of about 600 KT or four warheads of 150 KT each.
The same for an Arihant armed with twelve K-15
With twelve warheads of 50 KT each.
That's a very under gunned second strike capability of just 600 KT?
Neither K-4 or K-15 are MIRV capable as too narrow.

You have underestimated the size of the warheads. And K-15 can carry much larger warheads. Arihant is a TD, bigger subs are coming up.

 

[BHarwana]

They don't have compact nuke , that's why they cannot MIRV their sea bases K series.
But they are fielding those with existing unitary warheads from Agni-1 and Agni-5.

They can only place a nuke on a land based system and huge rockets. That is why India talks less about their nuclear program. Indian nukes cannot fit inside a Submarine. they also cannot launch nukes from fighter jets like Pakistani Raad missile. With an Indian Nuclear warhead the ICBM india has will Become a BM with a range less than shaheen 2

 

[Ultima Thule]

They can only place a nuke on a land based system and huge rockets. That is why India talks less about their nuclear program. Indian nukes cannot fit inside a Submarine. they also cannot launch nukes from fighter jets like Pakistani Raad missile. With an Indian Nuclear warhead the ICBM india has will Become a BM with a range less than shaheen 2

What do you mean this bold part of yours bro

 

[BHarwana]

What do you mean this bold part of yours bro

Indian nuclear design is very bulky and very heavy. The more heavier the war head is the lesser range it will achieve. When designing a missile you have to bring in many things. Like most of Indian missile are fired though silos why? because the are to heavy for a TEL and bulky. In a ballistic missile the rage come with altitude gained by the rocket. with a heavier payload the range decreases. When they test and ICBM it has no war head so it can achieve a good altitude.

 

[Ultima Thule]

They are testing all those missiles and will place a warhead that is not tested but based on a theory.

Then why they are developing K series of SLBM and thishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arihant-class_submarine just for showpiece, i won't agree with you bro you have no logic

 

[BHarwana]

Then why they are developing K series of SLBM and thishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arihant-class_submarine just for showpiece, i won't agree with you bro you have no logic

Okay just research what type of warheads India has tested and what are the drawbacks of all those war heads. Just research what PU 241 nuke is capable of and what are the difficulties of devilry system for such war heads. The Pu241 and Pu240 is not a good fuel for a nuke.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Okay just research what type of warheads India has tested and what are the drawbacks of all those war heads. Just research what PU 241 nuke is capable of and what are the difficulties of devilry system for such war heads. The Pu241 and Pu240 is not a good fuel for a nuke.

Pu warheads is more compact and better than U warheads

 

[Safriz]

You have underestimated the size of the warheads. And K-15 can carry much larger warheads. Arihant is a TD, bigger subs are coming up.

Ok, can you correct the estimate?

 

[randomradio]

Ok, can you correct the estimate?

At the higher end it is 200-300kT as a standard warhead, officially. It can go even higher for some specific targets. These are thermonuclear warheads.

K-15 is made for both atomic and thermonuclear. So yields can easily be estimated to be anywhere between 15 and 300kT. But since it is a submarine launched missile, the yield should be much closer towards the higher end.

 

[Safriz]

At the higher end it is 200-300kT as a standard warhead, officially. It can go even higher for some specific targets. These are thermonuclear warheads.

K-15 is made for both atomic and thermonuclear. So yields can easily be estimated to be anywhere between 15 and 300kT. But since it is a submarine launched missile, the yield should be much closer towards the higher end.

Ok, so if K-15 according to you is carrying 300 Kt warhead each then K-4 must be carrying over a megaton?
Ever wondered why all Indian missiles are designed to carry over a ton in warhead Wight? Even Prithvi?

 

[BHarwana]

Pu warheads is more compact and better than U warheads

For submarines you need HEU not only Pu or U and Pu 239 is good but HEU is the best. Indians are Pu 241 and 240

 

[Ultima Thule]

For submarines you need HEU not only Pu or U and Pu 239 is good but HEU is the best. Indians are Pu 241 and 240

But they will still put their Pu warhead for their K series of SLBM