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Kejriwal claims AAP is broke but EC figures reveal otherwise

Delhi Chief Minister Arvind Kejriwal risks getting labelled as a politician whose claims are high on hype but low on substance :agree: He said in Goa yesterday that his Aam Admi Party (AAP) does not have money to fight election despite running Delhi government for one-and-a-half years.

WHAT KEJRIWAL SAID

Speaking to a group of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes members in South Goa, the AAP convener said, "It would look odd but it is true that despite a one-and-half year of governance in Delhi, AAP does not have money to fight election. I can show you my bank account, even the party does not have money."

The Delhi Chief Minister elaborated his statement by saying that when the AAP contested in Delhi, the people fought the election. Similar should be the situation in Goa where local people will contest the polls because, he claimed, the AAP is a platform for everyone to fight for their better future.

WHAT EC FIGURES SAY
However, contrary to Kejriwal's claims, facts speak otherwise. Going by the Election Commission, the AAP is the fourth largest political party in the country in terms of receiving contributions. In the financial year 2014-15, it received contributions worth Rs 37.45 crore.

Only three parties - and all of them national ones - had received larger contributions than the AAP. The BJP, with 437.35 crore is at the top, followed by the Congress (Rs 141.55 crore) and the NCP (Rs 38.82 crore).

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/arvind-kejriwal-aap-broke-ec-figures/1/745935.html
 
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RTI wing leader quits AAP over ‘lack of democracy’

The resentment in Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) on distribution of tickets for 2017 Punjab assembly polls is not settling down as party leader Harmilap Grewal announced his resignation from the party, citing lack of internal democracy.


He said that state leaders have been sidelined as the Delhi leadership is calling the shots.


“Over 15,000 party volunteers from Punjab worked for party in Delhi assembly segment but they didn’t capture the party there, but in Punjab, party is being managed by Delhi leadership and there is no say of Punjab leaders which has reflected in two lists of party candidates announced for 2017 assembly polls,” said Grewal, general secretary of right to information (RTI) wing of the party in Punjab. He said that many more party workers and leaders were having the same feeling.

Grewal said tickets have already been decided by the Delhi leaders and a farce programme of conducting voting by volunteers was being carried out.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/punja...f-democracy/story-INzJg7CpMekht2pUVob5zJ.html
 
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I am posting parts of quite a big post made by a poster on another forum regarding Kashmir (I am leaving out historical part that we know better than him).


"India's record on International Law is far from perfect. And rightly so, given the hard lessons it was taught when it sought to play by the rules in a game only to discover the "winners" were almost all cheating. When all the players cheat, and there is no referee, it is only logical that it should do so too. That it has nonetheless still tried to follow the rules, and has done so better than many great powers (though I have no doubt, less well than many smaller countries) is one of the many reasons why it should be praised.


The reality is that Kashmir in India is a story of poor governance. India has made many significant mistakes in the region, in particular the granting of excessive autonomy to the state while letting its assembly be structured in such a way that the population of Kashmir and its elected representatives can hold the rest of the state to ransom. This has had many unfortunate consequences, most notably for the Kashmiri Pandits, who have discovered the consequences of becoming minorities in a state veering towards Islamic principles under its Muslim Majority population. India has failed the youth of Kashmir by not adequately seeing to their education, thus allowing many young men and women to fall under the indoctrination of separatists and extremists. India has also failed to adequately respond to the allegations and accusations raised by groups within it, notable the left wing movements. Thus many people have been able to widely make the assertion that India's governance of Kashmir is no different from British rule, despite the manifest differences - the fact that Kashmir elects its own rulers, and that its institutions of governance are staffed by their fellow Kashmiris for instance. Or that they have equal access (if not better in many cases) to National Institutions of Education and Governance. Thus for instance, one can discover that the J&K Police, as much as the central police forces, have been using those "evil" non lethal riot control measures called pellet guns. The Army is not broadly involved the majority of operations in these episodes of unrest (though individual cases of the Army needing to intervene have been reported). It is why the Media has been forced to use the broad moniker of "Indian Security Forces" to disguise the fact that many Kashmiris are being policed by their own, and thus allow them to continue to blame the Armed and Central forces. A comparable analogy would be if I argued that the recent shootings of blacks in the US, such as that of Michael Brown in Ferguson, were by "American Security Forces" and deliberately confusing the institutions of the State Police, National Guard and Army in the process.

The necessary response to such actions, through proper debate, education and information has been lacking. The groups who should have been organizing these responses, traditionally called the "right" in India (flawed as these terms are given their rooting in economic ideological differences), has for much of India's history been disorganized. This has allowed the more extreme elements of the Left and so called "Liberal" crowd to dominate the discourse. This has in turn forced the Right to also respond with more extremist rhetoric.

What India is currently witnessing is a process to rebalance some of the traditional asymmetries in dialogue and discourse that have existed. As a consequence, the left is retaliating to preserve the status quo, striking out both with violence and through an attempt to steer the dialogue. Some of the reasons for its slipping grasp has been the evolution of tools such as Social Media. As with any period of flux and dislocation, there are unfortunate consequences, many of which could have been avoided had responsible action been taken to avoid creating said asymmetries. What the final outcome of this process will be I cannot say.

If someone wishes to gain a deeper understanding of the sorts of problems caused by the "Left" that I am describing, I would advise them to read the brilliant work "The Road to Serfdom" by Austrian economist and Philosopher Friedrich Hayek, who perfectly describes the highjacking of liberalism and the path to totalitarianism that much of the left engages in. In India's situation, his work is practically prophetic. I would specifically recommend the introduction, and the first couple of chapters."


This poster was full leftists a year ago. This seems a very strong improvement.
 
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Chief Minister Arvind Kejriwal announced on Monday, 15thAugust, a nearly 50% increase in minimum wages for the Capital’s workforce, underscoring his government’s push for economic parity in a growing rich-poor divide.

The Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) government’s proposal is to raise the minimum wage of an unskilled person from Rs 9,568 to Rs 14,052. Besides, wages for semi-skilled and skilled people will increase from Rs 10,582 to Rs 15,471 and from Rs 11,622 to 17,033 respectively.
There are a number of reasons why this increase in minimum wages is a bad idea despite the good intentions of the Delhi government.

For starters, the current wage rate in the national capital for an unskilled worker is Rs 9,568, which is higher than the neighbouring states of Haryana (Rs 7,600), Uttar Pradesh (Rs 7,108) and Rajasthan (Rs 5,226). Even before the wage hike, it is clear that the wage of an unskilled worker in Delhi is almost the same as of a skilled worker in Haryana and is more than that of a skilled worker in UP or Rajasthan.
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It needs to be mentioned that the minimum wage in Delhi is already 35 per cent higher than in neighbouring Uttar Pradesh and 72 per cent higher than in adjoining Haryana.
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India’s, and Delhi’s, main advantage in manufacturing is “cheap labour” if such a wage hike is implemented in the capital, where the minimum wage is already very high when compared to rest of North India, then there will be a mass exodus of Industries from the capital to neighbouring states of Haryana and Uttar Pradesh. The hike will force the small and medium industries to be more innovative and use technology, automation, for work, the final result will be reduced jobs because of increased salaries and greater use of automation in the capital. Any sane government which has a long term vision will see that such a move will greatly harm Delhi’s, already not so good, economic prospects in the long run.

The main argument presented by the AAP government that this move will reduce the income inequality in the national capital is total lie, since Delhi mostly relies on medium and small scale enterprises, as most of the big industries have shifted to states such as Haryana, Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan because of lack of land and an already expensive work force, the remaining big industries Delhi has, will simply relocate to the neighbouring states of Haryana and Uttar Pradesh and the main causality of all this “minimum wage saga” will be the Small and Medium industries.

Let’s look at some statistics to show why it is not a good idea to radically increase the minimum wage in Delhi by such a massive proportion.

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“During 2012-13, average annual Index of Industrial Production (IIP) was 115.94, which decreased to 102.29 in 2013-14. There is a decline in the IIP of 11.77 per cent in 2013-14 over the previous year,” clearly such a decline should encourage the AAP government to actually focus on growth of Industries in Delhi, which will lead to increased employment, rather than making their life difficult by announcing such colossal wage hikes.
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According to the Delhi Economic Survey (2014-15) “The estimated employment, as depicted in the above table, though indicated improvement in the absolute numbers, it is not keeping in pace with the growth of factories. To elaborate it further, it is observed that the per factory employment during 2013 remained at the same level as that of 2012 i.e. average 46 persons employed in each factory.”
CropperCapture44.jpg


According to the Delhi Economic Survey (2014-15) “It may be observed that the number of registered factories in Delhi increased by 23.76% from 3198 in 2007-08 to 3958 in 2012-13. During the same period, total capital increased by 156% from ` 7164 crore to ` 18356 crore. The number of employees decreased to the level from 1.28 lakh in 2007-08 to 1.19 lakh in 2012-13. However, a downward growth is visible in total capital employed in 2012-13 over that of 2011-12.”
CropperCapture45.jpg


Unemployment figures in Delhi are also not very encouraging, as the scourge of Unemployment continues to rise. Naturally, in such turbulent times where Unemployment is worldwide problem the Delhi government will do every possible thing in its power to increase the job creation in the national capital. But, instead of laying down red carpet for the Industry and making things easier for Industries to stimulate Industrial growth the Delhi government has decided to hike the already “high” minimum wage in the capital and cripple Delhi’s Industrial base and in that process push all the people who are joining the workforce every year towards an uncertain future.

It’s not only the Industry which will be harmed by this hike, the existing workers in the work force ,the unskilled workers, of which there are many, entering the workforce each year and the “common people”, Ironically, will be greatly harmed by this hike.

For example, a factory owner won’t keep a skilled worker at a mandated Rs 17,033 per month if the efforts of that skilled worker in the factory generates Rs 13,000 worth of added revenue per month. Over the course of the year, a factory that employs such a worker would lose Rs 48,396, so instead, it would either hire an Informal worker or simply automate that job. The wage hike will force many workers in the formal sector to be pushed into the informal sector.

The wage hike will hurt the unskilled workers entering the workforce the most, as most of these workers are from poor families and have little to no education background or skills which they can leverage to get a decent job. As the minimum wage for unskilled workers goes up, Businesses are discouraged from hiring unskilled workers as the cost of skilling them for the job goes up resulting in unskilled workers not being able to find a job which provides them with the skills necessary to move up the employment ladder and get a better job. In short, such a colossal hike in minimum wage will destroy the first step of the employment staircase that provides the skills and experience workers need to reach the next step, and to continue moving towards a better life.

One of the basic lessons of economics is that when the price of something goes up, people buy less of it, so, if the price of food or clothing rises, as it will inevitably, you can expect consumers to reduce their demand for those goods. Upper middle class and the rich can afford to pay top dollar, but the middle class and the less fortunate sections of society will have to cut down on their consumption of goods and services if they have to survive in this era.

There is opposition to the new wage hike within the AAP too as the party’s trade wing has demanded that the government reconsider its decision.
“We represent Delhi’s 15 lakh traders and industrialists. The step (to increase minimum wages) will harm Delhi’s trade and industry in the long run. Wages are already high in the Capital and if they are increased further, trade and industry might seek a shift to neighbouring States,” said Brijesh Goel, convenor, AAP Trade Wing.

If the Kejriwal government is really concerned about the welfare of workers in Delhi then it needs to come up with a comprehensive policy on this matter and not just merely take populist decisions which only benefit a select section of society and harm everyone else.

The new minimum wage is only going to push up the “Minimum bribe” of the Inspector raj officials who will be in charge of implementing this new Minimum wage.

@magudi @ranjeet @IndoCarib @911 @GoR
http://www.thefrustratedindian.com/2016/08/arvind-kejriwal-minimum-wage-aap/
 
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Chief Minister Arvind Kejriwal announced on Monday, 15thAugust, a nearly 50% increase in minimum wages for the Capital’s workforce, underscoring his government’s push for economic parity in a growing rich-poor divide.

The Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) government’s proposal is to raise the minimum wage of an unskilled person from Rs 9,568 to Rs 14,052. Besides, wages for semi-skilled and skilled people will increase from Rs 10,582 to Rs 15,471 and from Rs 11,622 to 17,033 respectively.
There are a number of reasons why this increase in minimum wages is a bad idea despite the good intentions of the Delhi government.

For starters, the current wage rate in the national capital for an unskilled worker is Rs 9,568, which is higher than the neighbouring states of Haryana (Rs 7,600), Uttar Pradesh (Rs 7,108) and Rajasthan (Rs 5,226). Even before the wage hike, it is clear that the wage of an unskilled worker in Delhi is almost the same as of a skilled worker in Haryana and is more than that of a skilled worker in UP or Rajasthan.
CropperCapture40.jpg


It needs to be mentioned that the minimum wage in Delhi is already 35 per cent higher than in neighbouring Uttar Pradesh and 72 per cent higher than in adjoining Haryana.
CropperCapture41.jpg

India’s, and Delhi’s, main advantage in manufacturing is “cheap labour” if such a wage hike is implemented in the capital, where the minimum wage is already very high when compared to rest of North India, then there will be a mass exodus of Industries from the capital to neighbouring states of Haryana and Uttar Pradesh. The hike will force the small and medium industries to be more innovative and use technology, automation, for work, the final result will be reduced jobs because of increased salaries and greater use of automation in the capital. Any sane government which has a long term vision will see that such a move will greatly harm Delhi’s, already not so good, economic prospects in the long run.

The main argument presented by the AAP government that this move will reduce the income inequality in the national capital is total lie, since Delhi mostly relies on medium and small scale enterprises, as most of the big industries have shifted to states such as Haryana, Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan because of lack of land and an already expensive work force, the remaining big industries Delhi has, will simply relocate to the neighbouring states of Haryana and Uttar Pradesh and the main causality of all this “minimum wage saga” will be the Small and Medium industries.

Let’s look at some statistics to show why it is not a good idea to radically increase the minimum wage in Delhi by such a massive proportion.

CropperCapture42.jpg


“During 2012-13, average annual Index of Industrial Production (IIP) was 115.94, which decreased to 102.29 in 2013-14. There is a decline in the IIP of 11.77 per cent in 2013-14 over the previous year,” clearly such a decline should encourage the AAP government to actually focus on growth of Industries in Delhi, which will lead to increased employment, rather than making their life difficult by announcing such colossal wage hikes.
CropperCapture43.jpg


According to the Delhi Economic Survey (2014-15) “The estimated employment, as depicted in the above table, though indicated improvement in the absolute numbers, it is not keeping in pace with the growth of factories. To elaborate it further, it is observed that the per factory employment during 2013 remained at the same level as that of 2012 i.e. average 46 persons employed in each factory.”
CropperCapture44.jpg


According to the Delhi Economic Survey (2014-15) “It may be observed that the number of registered factories in Delhi increased by 23.76% from 3198 in 2007-08 to 3958 in 2012-13. During the same period, total capital increased by 156% from ` 7164 crore to ` 18356 crore. The number of employees decreased to the level from 1.28 lakh in 2007-08 to 1.19 lakh in 2012-13. However, a downward growth is visible in total capital employed in 2012-13 over that of 2011-12.”
CropperCapture45.jpg


Unemployment figures in Delhi are also not very encouraging, as the scourge of Unemployment continues to rise. Naturally, in such turbulent times where Unemployment is worldwide problem the Delhi government will do every possible thing in its power to increase the job creation in the national capital. But, instead of laying down red carpet for the Industry and making things easier for Industries to stimulate Industrial growth the Delhi government has decided to hike the already “high” minimum wage in the capital and cripple Delhi’s Industrial base and in that process push all the people who are joining the workforce every year towards an uncertain future.

It’s not only the Industry which will be harmed by this hike, the existing workers in the work force ,the unskilled workers, of which there are many, entering the workforce each year and the “common people”, Ironically, will be greatly harmed by this hike.

For example, a factory owner won’t keep a skilled worker at a mandated Rs 17,033 per month if the efforts of that skilled worker in the factory generates Rs 13,000 worth of added revenue per month. Over the course of the year, a factory that employs such a worker would lose Rs 48,396, so instead, it would either hire an Informal worker or simply automate that job. The wage hike will force many workers in the formal sector to be pushed into the informal sector.

The wage hike will hurt the unskilled workers entering the workforce the most, as most of these workers are from poor families and have little to no education background or skills which they can leverage to get a decent job. As the minimum wage for unskilled workers goes up, Businesses are discouraged from hiring unskilled workers as the cost of skilling them for the job goes up resulting in unskilled workers not being able to find a job which provides them with the skills necessary to move up the employment ladder and get a better job. In short, such a colossal hike in minimum wage will destroy the first step of the employment staircase that provides the skills and experience workers need to reach the next step, and to continue moving towards a better life.

One of the basic lessons of economics is that when the price of something goes up, people buy less of it, so, if the price of food or clothing rises, as it will inevitably, you can expect consumers to reduce their demand for those goods. Upper middle class and the rich can afford to pay top dollar, but the middle class and the less fortunate sections of society will have to cut down on their consumption of goods and services if they have to survive in this era.

There is opposition to the new wage hike within the AAP too as the party’s trade wing has demanded that the government reconsider its decision.
“We represent Delhi’s 15 lakh traders and industrialists. The step (to increase minimum wages) will harm Delhi’s trade and industry in the long run. Wages are already high in the Capital and if they are increased further, trade and industry might seek a shift to neighbouring States,” said Brijesh Goel, convenor, AAP Trade Wing.

If the Kejriwal government is really concerned about the welfare of workers in Delhi then it needs to come up with a comprehensive policy on this matter and not just merely take populist decisions which only benefit a select section of society and harm everyone else.

The new minimum wage is only going to push up the “Minimum bribe” of the Inspector raj officials who will be in charge of implementing this new Minimum wage.

@magudi @ranjeet @IndoCarib @911 @GoR
http://www.thefrustratedindian.com/2016/08/arvind-kejriwal-minimum-wage-aap/


pure vote banking
 
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Education policy: it's right to consult India's larger mind


The HRD ministry has invited suggestions and comments on a 43-page document, ‘Some Inputs for Draft National Education Policy 2016’. The ministry, subsequently, also put on its website the 217-page report submitted in May 2016 by the committee appointed to evolve National Education Policy (NEP). Obviously, a final draft policy would emerge in due course and undergo the process of formal acceptance and approval at appropriate levels. It is encouraging to observe that since the past two years, every section of society is being given an opportunity to participate in the consultation on NEP formulation.

Apparently, some luminaries have refrained from offering inputs because of their ideological constraints. Is it not surprising that even before the policy is finalised, and the opportunity to offer suggestions remains wide open, fringe elements have staged demonstrations against it. Those familiar with the post-Independence developments in education are well aware how the scene has been dominated by those more interested in propagating the ideology of their choice than the national welfare. To them, there is nothing like ancient Indian tradition of knowledge quest and, therefore, how can they tolerate historically established and globally acknowledged facts on ancient Indian contribution to knowledge and world civilisation?

One wonders why don’t those opposed put forward their views emphatically and scientifically before the MHRD. One could vouchsafe on the basis of personal experience that many of them seriously detest any reference to ‘Indian education’, or ancient Indian education systems. It must be recalled that the most propagated hypothesis pursued by foreign evangelists with full support of the then alien rulers was, “The souls of the savages must be salvaged.” It was the time when traditional Indian education system was being replaced by a transplanted alien system. Unfortunately, some would still like to stick to it as they too are convinced that there is nothing worthwhile in the Indian tradition of knowledge, scriptures and the gurukul system. To them, it is upsetting to find in the draft: “Indian scholars like Charaka, Susruta, Aryabhata, Bhaskaracharya, Chankya, Patanjali and Vatsayana and numerous others made seminal contribution to the worlds of knowledge in such diverse fields as mathematics, astronomy, physics, chemistry, medical sciences, and surgery, fine arts, mechanical and production technology, civil engineering and architecture, shipbuilding and navigation, sports and games.” ( "saffronization of education":o:)

From all this emerges the greatest challenge before the policymakers: why even seven decades after Independence, India could not instil a sense of pride in its history, heritage and the treasure of knowledge among its citizens? What generates, and who germinates, such an aversion? How could an Indian not be proud of Taxila, Vikramshila and Nalanda of the good old days? Some are restless as their loved citadels like the Aryan invasion theory and non-existence of Saraswati river are scientifically established as politically motivated figs of imagination perpetuated to establish India as a nation only of immigrants. Rabindranath Tagore addressed the convocation of the Banaras Hindu University on February 18, 1935: “We cannot but look with regret at the feebleness of stimulation in our academic training for the forming of our mind which in cooperation with knowledge and sympathy may comprehend the larger mind of the country.” The MHRD is rightly consulting the larger mind of the country.
rajput_js@yahoo.co.in
Former director of the NCERT

Some Christian orgs opposed it here, even DMK and ADMK were using their time tested "We will oppose Sanskritization". *facepalm*
 
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Is this true? why Gabru Punjabis are not funding lala ji's political ambitions?

AAP doesn't have money to fight election: Arvind Kejriwal

"It would look odd but it is true that despite a one-and-half year of governance in Delhi, AAP does not have money to fight election. I can show you my bank account, even party does not have money," Kejriwal told a group of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes members in South Goa last evening.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...ney-to-fight-election-arvind-kejriwal-2247684
Punjabis de sare fund tan Badal kha gaye. Infact we are more broke than kejri now :(
 
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Guys, What became of Dahi-Handi festival? MNS has threatened to celebrate it in opposition to quixotic ruling of SC.

Education policy: it's right to consult India's larger mind

The HRD ministry has invited suggestions and comments on a 43-page document, ‘Some Inputs for Draft National Education Policy 2016’. The ministry, subsequently, also put on its website the 217-page report submitted in May 2016 by the committee appointed to evolve National Education Policy (NEP). Obviously, a final draft policy would emerge in due course and undergo the process of formal acceptance and approval at appropriate levels. It is encouraging to observe that since the past two years, every section of society is being given an opportunity to participate in the consultation on NEP formulation.

Apparently, some luminaries have refrained from offering inputs because of their ideological constraints. Is it not surprising that even before the policy is finalised, and the opportunity to offer suggestions remains wide open, fringe elements have staged demonstrations against it. Those familiar with the post-Independence developments in education are well aware how the scene has been dominated by those more interested in propagating the ideology of their choice than the national welfare. To them, there is nothing like ancient Indian tradition of knowledge quest and, therefore, how can they tolerate historically established and globally acknowledged facts on ancient Indian contribution to knowledge and world civilisation?

One wonders why don’t those opposed put forward their views emphatically and scientifically before the MHRD. One could vouchsafe on the basis of personal experience that many of them seriously detest any reference to ‘Indian education’, or ancient Indian education systems. It must be recalled that the most propagated hypothesis pursued by foreign evangelists with full support of the then alien rulers was, “The souls of the savages must be salvaged.” It was the time when traditional Indian education system was being replaced by a transplanted alien system. Unfortunately, some would still like to stick to it as they too are convinced that there is nothing worthwhile in the Indian tradition of knowledge, scriptures and the gurukul system. To them, it is upsetting to find in the draft: “Indian scholars like Charaka, Susruta, Aryabhata, Bhaskaracharya, Chankya, Patanjali and Vatsayana and numerous others made seminal contribution to the worlds of knowledge in such diverse fields as mathematics, astronomy, physics, chemistry, medical sciences, and surgery, fine arts, mechanical and production technology, civil engineering and architecture, shipbuilding and navigation, sports and games.” ( "saffronization of education":o:)

From all this emerges the greatest challenge before the policymakers: why even seven decades after Independence, India could not instil a sense of pride in its history, heritage and the treasure of knowledge among its citizens? What generates, and who germinates, such an aversion? How could an Indian not be proud of Taxila, Vikramshila and Nalanda of the good old days? Some are restless as their loved citadels like the Aryan invasion theory and non-existence of Saraswati river are scientifically established as politically motivated figs of imagination perpetuated to establish India as a nation only of immigrants. Rabindranath Tagore addressed the convocation of the Banaras Hindu University on February 18, 1935: “We cannot but look with regret at the feebleness of stimulation in our academic training for the forming of our mind which in cooperation with knowledge and sympathy may comprehend the larger mind of the country.” The MHRD is rightly consulting the larger mind of the country.
rajput_js@yahoo.co.in
Former director of the NCERT

Some Christian orgs opposed it here, even DMK and ADMK were using their time tested "We will oppose Sanskritization". *facepalm*


Three years into the government and we do not have new syllabus yet! This is what I meant when I said that this government want its enemies to control all levers of power and brainwash next generation/voters.
 
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