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Mahesh Jethmalani says Advani told Musharraf during Agra summit that no treaty will be signed until Dawood Ibrahim must be handed over to India. Once it collapsed US tried to build pressure on Pakistan and Colin Powell visited India to discuss it further. Before anything concrete could happen, Godhara incident happened.
Not sure if its true or not but there was complete silence on Newshour
But no one refuted it or discussed it any further.
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Mahesh Jethmalani says Advani told Musharraf during Agra summit that no treaty will be signed until Dawood Ibrahim must be handed over to India. Once it collapsed US tried to build pressure on Pakistan and Colin Powell visited India to discuss it further. Before anything concrete could happen, Godhara incident happened.
Not sure if its true or not but there was complete silence on Newshour
But no one refuted it or discussed it any further.
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Firstly let's look at the amount CBN is spending:-
1)According to documents, over Rs 40 crore was spent on the Lake View state guest house on the Raj Bhavan road in Hyderabad, the complete renovation of two floors of the secretariat and also his house in Banjara Hills.
2)According to a Government Order (GO), Rs 10 crore has been spent on renovation of two floors of the secretariat. Another camp office of the Chief Minister Lake view guest house cost the exchequer around Rs 2 crore.
3)Another Rs 3 crore was spent on the Chief Minister's convoy, Rs 73 lakh and Rs 3 lakh on CCTV and air conditioner respectively for the Chief Minister's temporary residence in Banjara Hills.
4)For Naidu's Japan delegation visit, the government spent around Rs 1.5 crore.
Several crores have also been spent on his travel by private airplanes across India and the world. The Chief Minister visited Singapore, Japan, China and Davos after he took charge.
Point 1: - Lake view guest house is where CBN stays(his official residence), The Secretariat(where he works) needed some renovation in some areas which wasn't done under the previous govt. He will be staying here for some time as the Babus do not want to move to Vijayawada & stay in Hyderabad for 1-2 years more.
Point 2:- Basically part of Point 1 & explained there.
Point 3:- The Banjara hills house is his temporary residence till the work in Lakeview is done(from what I believe), the amount spent on CCTV is a must for his security as he has been targeted by Naxals in the past & there is a danger that they may still do so.. The AC cost he could have paid from his own pockets & was unnecessary.
& CM's convoy is a necessity for every CM, thankfully he hasn't bought any new cars..
Point 4:- Well he had a lot of meetings in Japan,China,Singapore & Davos(all had to be arranged) to get money & investment into India & AP(Into AP actually, but he advertised the PM's schemes for the nation on a whole). So some money had to be spent on such meetings as the ROI would be more in the long term if the meeting was successful.
Point 5: - One thing which this article has not mentioned is that 20 crore is currently being spent on constructing a temporary office in Vijayawada.
Also CBN has spent a few crores to organise govt. functions+rallies across the state.(with him in presence) This is being done to make people feel that the govt. will take care of all regions & won't ignore anyone
For if he didn't make such moves/statements people will start accusing him of being anti-Rayalaseema & anti-Uttarandhra & only concentrating on the capital region.. The opposition will make this small issue into a big one & make his already tough work difficult.
And lastly speaking let me tell you that I don't agree entirely with wasteful expenditure such as the 3 lakh AC & 40 crore on Lakeview(which I feel is too much) & I strongly berate him on this.
But let me tell you that he is not wasting money left & right like an irresponsible person, austerity measures have been introduced for all the babus & ministers(except him & some top babus).. Money-saving measures & ideas have been encouraged by him.
He linked Aadhar to pension/ration card/health card & saved about 750 crore which was being lost through irregularities!!
This way he is working towards saving money.. But I feel it still isn't enough
I hope I have answered your queries, Please tag me if you have more questions/doubts
ON Times Now debate
Mahesh Jethmalani says Advani told Musharraf during Agra summit that no treaty will be signed until Dawood Ibrahim must be handed over to India. Once it collapsed US tried to build pressure on Pakistan and Colin Powell visited India to discuss it further. Before anything concrete could happen, Godhara incident happened.
Not sure if its true or not but there was complete silence on Newshour
But no one refuted it or discussed it any further.
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Old but very interesting read: Did Godhra save Pakistan?
Godhra (and its twin city of Dahod) is famous in the subcontinent as the birthplace of Aurangzeb, the fanatical Mughal emperor. It is also a well known trouble spot that has seen violent riots between Hindus and Muslims for over a hundred years. A large number of people of Godhra have links with people in violence-prone Karachi in Pakistan.
On February 27, 2002, when the Sabarmati Express arrived at Godhra railway station early in the morning, it carried the usual load of Hindus returning from Ayodhya, a Hindu pilgrimage centre.
These pilgrims travel in large groups. They often act rowdily and altercations with vendors is a common occurrence. In fact, most vendors are known to shut shop when such trains approach.
But February 27, 2002 was unusual.
No sooner had the train left the station, it was stopped by pulling the emergency chain, just a little distance away from the station. Here the train was surrounded by a mob of thousands that pelted stones at the passengers.
Apparently some people then entered bogie S-6, which had mainly women and children, by cutting the cloth partition between two bogies. They then poured petrol into the carriage and set it afire. 59 people, including women and children, were burnt alive.
The incident had all the hallmarks of a pre-planned attack. The movement of Hindu pilgrims by this train was a regular, routine affair, not a sudden provocation. Also, it is not easy to suddenly garner a mob of several thousand without warning. A fire engine that tried to reach the spot was denied access, indicating a certain degree of leadership and planning.
The question that remains is, why?
Gujarat then and now was ruled by a Hindu hardliner who faced a difficult election in a few months time. That he would make capital of this incident was a foregone conclusion.
In less than two days, the city of Ahmedabad erupted in an orgy of violence. The local police either played a partisan role or were woefully inadequate to deal with the rioters. The only option was to call in the army.
But where was the army? Unlike the earlier occasions when the army stationed in Ahmedabad could move in at an hour's notice, this time it took more than two days. The troops earmarked for internal riot control duties were more than 600 km away, deployed on the border and ready for war.
To re-adjust the defences took time. The troops flown into Ahmedabad did not have transport and were unfamiliar with the geography of the city. It took them nearly three days to bring the situation under control.
Most of the killings and violence took place before the army was deployed. Sporadic arson and violence did continue, but the worst was over within a week.
In normal times, the army could have been deployed in a day.
For instance, army units in Delhi and Meerut (40 km away) were ready to move in within hours of the riots sparked off by the assassination of Indira Gandhi on December 31, 1984. But the then government deliberately delayed deploying it.
This was certainly not the case in 2002, when the delay was caused due to the logistical difficulties involved in redeploying troops from the border.
The brain behind the Godhra incident knew it would trigger riots, which in turn would force such a redeployment. In fact, an entire division (40,000 soldiers) had to be moved, while another division was kept on alert to move into other areas if necessary.
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There are obviously plenty of people in the know. Maybe a few decades down the line, someone will leak some declassified report.
Though from what I know and all indication are, there certainly was a geo-political backdrop to Godhra.
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ON Times Now debate
Mahesh Jethmalani says Advani told Musharraf during Agra summit that no treaty will be signed until Dawood Ibrahim must be handed over to India. Once it collapsed US tried to build pressure on Pakistan and Colin Powell visited India to discuss it further. Before anything concrete could happen, Godhara incident happened.
Not sure if its true or not but there was complete silence on Newshour
But no one refuted it or discussed it any further.
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If that is true, then Pakistan outmanoeuvred India. Plain and Simple. Got to admire that.
I am sure these things happens from time to time, with varying degrees of success.
Consider this though, if Jethmalani knows, then enough people in the intelligence community would know and I am confident, the opponent would have been paid back.
O N VOHRA commission has named politicians which has close ties to Dawood Ibrahim it has been disclosed. It might give a hint about questions raised in the article you quoted.
It's about time BJP declassify files one by one. Enough time has been wasted to convince opposition parties but they are adamant in not working for the betterment of the country.
Damn they were good.
Perhaps this is the why the current saga has been started, just as Nehru's spying on Bose was.
I don't know if BJP will risk declassifying such files. The people implicated usually have protections against such disclosures, such as state secrets.
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To nail the top people involved? Not sure if much can be done. Very seldom do top culprits get nailed anywhere in the world.
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Most probably a fake news as it doesn't make any sense.Why on earth would Gadkari ji be supplying organic vegetables that too a person who is perhaps the biggest adversary of his party
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