Indian PM Modi, Afghan President Ghani jointly inaugurate Kabul's Stor Palace

[pakistani342]

Afghans deported from Pak are in desperate need of aid and India is funding and celebrating inauguration of palaces!
Messed up priorities!
We should start charging Afghanistan for hosting their refugees!

great point -- great point

But I think the restoration of palaces is better PR -- I suspect even these poor refugees who have lived in Pakistan for decades will be bitter about Pakistan and grateful to India.

 

[H!TchHiker]

That is an interesting way of solving the issue.

This is the worst way and innocent on weaker side pay the highest price due to this.Ordinary citizens will face more troubles.

great point -- great point

But I think the restoration of palaces is better PR -- I suspect even these poor refugees who have lived in Pakistan for decades will be bitter about Pakistan and grateful to India.

Precisely its not the love for Indians its the hate for Pakistan that speaks.

 

[pakistani342]

This is the worst way and innocent on weaker side pay the highest price due to this.Ordinary citizens will face more troubles.


Precisely its not the love for Indians its the hate for Pakistan that speaks.

Who knows -- I sometimes think, even the Afghans have forgotten what is what.

 

[H!TchHiker]

Who knows -- I sometimes think, even the Afghans have forgotten what is what.

I wish peace prevail in Afghanistan .Both should sit together and resolve this on the table for once and all.Let people live there life

 

[somebozo]

great point -- great point

But I think the restoration of palaces is better PR -- I suspect even these poor refugees who have lived in Pakistan for decades will be bitter about Pakistan and grateful to India.

It just demonstrates their lack of common sense..

I wish peace prevail in Afghanistan .Both should sit together and resolve this on the table for once and all.Let people live there life

recently i had an encounter with a bunch of Afghans and i tell you these people are on a high dose of Indian afeem..they will never learn..they think Modi will conquer the world for them and Afghans will inherit the earth..

Afghan forigen policy has always been over arching for unrealistic allies with countries it does not have a border with..from Soviet Union to India..same old rotten policy!

 

[pakistani342]

It just demonstrates their lack of common sense..



recently i had an encounter with a bunch of Afghans and i tell you these people are on a high dose of Indian afeem..they will never learn..they think Modi will conquer the world for them and Afghans will inherit the earth..

Afghan forigen policy has always been over arching for unrealistic allies with countries it does not have a border with..from Soviet Union to India..same old rotten policy!

lol ... some specifics on "recently i had an encounter with a bunch of Afghans" ... would like to understand what mood is ...

 

[Kaniska]

By gunships I meant an overt, wholesale military, economics and political assistance. Not sure what else can the GHQ do, keeping in mind a complete take over wont be permitted the US, NATO and others and that a complete take over by Talis also mean TTP empowermint.

Afghans can live with the status quo, frankly but at least a whole sale treatment will mean that Pakistan feels the heat.



Well we are, but the Gernals wont allow that incase you have not been following the Burka offensive.

I beleive more than that, Afganistan need to create a Afganistan nationhood itself....Afganistan need to feel proud of being Afganistan first and rest of the identity later...Till that point, it will be going through tough times.

 

[H!TchHiker]

It just demonstrates their lack of common sense..



recently i had an encounter with a bunch of Afghans and i tell you these people are on a high dose of Indian afeem..they will never learn..they think Modi will conquer the world for them and Afghans will inherit the earth..

Afghan forigen policy has always been over arching for unrealistic allies with countries it does not have a border with..from Soviet Union to India..same old rotten policy!

These bunch are fed with historical supremacy, they still love and dream of 1740 empire.Guess in doing this they are just hitting themselves.
Anyhow i still believe they do not represent the majority.Ordinary people on either side just want to live there life in peace.
We had a mistakes in dealing with Afghanistan in past , we have to accept it and set the new course .We had to live together either we accept it or not .

 

[Roybot]

Afghans deported from Pak are in desperate need of aid and India is funding and celebrating inauguration of palaces!
Messed up priorities!
We should start charging Afghanistan for hosting their refugees!

Nice try, do you think this renovation was done overnight?

The restored palace, will house the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Afghanistan

 

[Kambojaric]

Article here, excerpts below:

KABUL: Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi jointly inaugurated the newly-restored Stor Palace in Kabul with Afghan President Ashraf Ghani via video link on Monday, Tolo News reported.

"In our hearts and minds, Indians and Afghans have always been close friends," the Indian premier said, adding that India's 1.25 billion people will "always be on Afghanistan's side in terms of working towards peace and stability".

Lol somebody give this guy a basic history lesson. Pashtuns and Hindus were constantly fighting each other, and the Hindu nationalists/BJP/RSS's beloved Marathas were trounced by Ahmed Shah Abdali at Panipat. The only thing that has changed now is the emergence of Pakistan which has brought the Pashtuns in Afghanistan closer to India due to hate of Pakistan. Afghans are extremely and I repeat extremely stupid if they believe Hindu nationalists actually care about them. Hypothetically (although it will never happen) if the Indians take over Pakistan then the next in line will be Afghanistan to create 'Akhand Bharat'

 

[Armani]

there are three kind of friends:
1) friend.
2) friend of a friend
3) enemy of an enemy.
the third one best describe indo afghan love.

The description fits Pak-China love more perfectly.

Why else would a state that calls itself an 'Islamic Republic' and hosts all manner of religious radicals...make friends with a Communist state that oppresses the very practice of religion? It doesn't make any level of sense unless you look at it through the Indian lens - our presence is the only thing that manages to bring these two polar opposite ideologies together.

For Pakistan, it also reminds of a very old saying - "Beggars can't be choosers".

On topic - this is a good development wrt Indo-Afghan cooperation. Certainly isn't the first and most certainly won't be the last. As far as more material assistance goes, deliveries of further Mi-35 gunships and even some tanks (T-55 and T-72M1 are being considered) are a given in the coming years.

In future, the size & scope of help will only keep growing. That I am certain of.

Lol somebody give this guy a basic history lesson. Pashtuns and Hindus were constantly fighting each other, and the Hindu nationalists/BJP/RSS's beloved Marathas were trounced by Ahmed Shah Abdali at Panipat. The only thing that has changed now is the emergence of Pakistan which has brought the Pashtuns in Afghanistan closer to India due to hate of Pakistan. Afghans are extremely and I repeat extremely stupid if they believe Hindu nationalists actually care about them. Hypothetically (although it will never happen) if the Indians take over Pakistan then the next in line will be Afghanistan to create 'Akhand Bharat'

Your paranoia is amusing. No wonder you ran & swam all the way to Sweden.

Jokes aside...times change, and with it, so do alliances. There was a time when the Americans and British were at each other's necks, from killing people to burning down the White House. Yet the two sides are best buddies today - you can rarely see a strategic move or operation of one that does not involve the other in some way.

History is filled with such stories of two best-of-friends becoming worst of enemies, baying for each other's blood...and enemies coming together to fight a common foe.

Yet if you think there is such a thing as a relationship that is to stay as it is forever, you are both misinformed & naive.

Furthermore, I do not see any reason why Pakistanis need to be perturbed by Indian assistance to Afghanistan in any way. Only those that detest the very existence of India, or those who consider the Taliban/ISIS to be their allies have a valid reason to be hateful. Neither type are an ideal citizen...but then again, modern day Pakistan is rife with such people. Not all, but definitely a considerable number.

 

[Indika]

4. And, you have not factored in the opportunity cost -- Afghanistan is currently 40 years behind Pakistan for example -- do you want to extend that to 60 in 10 years

Unstable Afghanistan will be the albatross around pakistans neck. An unstable afghanistan will keep pakistan occupied and will not allow much economic progress to happen. Pakistan will have to spend more time,money & effort in propping up anti-afghan forces. Over a period of time pakistan will fall behind the world by 10 years.

Even if not for India , afghanistan will not be vacated by western forces due to china factor. As such pakistan has just jumped into a bottomless pit.

 

[Kambojaric]

Your paranoia is amusing. No wonder you ran & swam all the way to Sweden.

Jokes aside...times change, and with it, so do alliances. There was a time when the Americans and British were at each other's necks, from killing people to burning down the White House. Yet the two sides are best buddies today - you can rarely see a strategic move or operation of one that does not involve the other in some way.

History is filled with such stories of two best-of-friends becoming worst of enemies, baying for each other's blood...and enemies coming together to fight a common foe.

Yet if you think there is such a thing as a relationship that is to stay as it is forever, you are both misinformed & naive.

Furthermore, I do not see any reason why Pakistanis need to be perturbed by Indian assistance to Afghanistan in any way. Only those that detest the very existence of India, or those who consider the Taliban/ISIS to be their allies have a valid reason to be hateful. Neither type are an ideal citizen...but then again, modern day Pakistan is rife with such people. Not all, but definitely a considerable number.

Ignoring the ad hominem which shows your intellectual capacity, answer one simple question. Have Indians and Afghans "always" been friends. This is what your Modi ji said in his speech. Il repeat it for your benefit once again.

"Indians and Afghans have always been close friends"

I dont know what the rest of your post is about since it does not relate to my post in any way (and as a consequence amounts to rambling). My comment is focused on Modi and his lack of knowledge of basic history.

 

[Armani]

Ignoring the ad hominem which shows your intellectual capacity, answer one simple question. Have Indians and Afghans "always" been friends. This is what your Modi ji said in his speech. Il repeat it for your benefit once again.

"Indians and Afghans have always been close friends"

I dont know what the rest of your post is about since it does not relate to my post in any way (and as a consequence amounts to rambling). My comment is focused on Modi and his lack of knowledge of basic history.

The world will be upside down if you take every politician's word for word. Modi's aim is to build a strong relationship between modern-day India and modern-day Afghanistan. To reach that goal, he will say a lot of things that might or might not have historical accuracy - that's the job description of a politician.

(even though the said statement is fairly accurate in the post-independence period)

Being from Pakistan, where the civilian govt. capsizes under the Army dictatorship every now & then, you should know this better than anyone. I replied because your post was clearly not about Modi's statement, it was about how Indians & Afghans were not friends at one point of time in the distant past, so they can't be friends now, either.

...which only puts up your naivety for everyone to see. But why are you so naive and butthurt? I have already explained that in the previous post -

" Only those that detest the very existence of India, or those who consider the Taliban/ISIS to be their allies have a valid reason to be hateful. "

Hypothetically (although it will never happen) if the Indians take over Pakistan then the next in line will be Afghanistan to create 'Akhand Bharat'

The most self-contradictory and naive line I have read in the forum in a long time.

If you think that Indians taking over Pakistan will never happen, then from where does the question of taking over Afghanistan even arise?

You establish that vampires don't exist as a fact...and then proceed to scare people by telling them about vampires?

What level of stupidity is this?

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

The description fits Pak-China love more perfectly.

Why else would a state that calls itself an 'Islamic Republic' and hosts all manner of religious radicals...make friends with a Communist state that oppresses the very practice of religion? It doesn't make any level of sense unless you look at it through the Indian lens - our presence is the only thing that manages to bring these two polar opposite ideologies together.

For Pakistan, it also reminds of a very old saying - "Beggars can't be choosers".

On topic - this is a good development wrt Indo-Afghan cooperation. Certainly isn't the first and most certainly won't be the last. As far as more material assistance goes, deliveries of further Mi-35 gunships and even some tanks (T-55 and T-72M1 are being considered) are a given in the coming years.

In future, the size & scope of help will only keep growing. That I am certain of.



Your paranoia is amusing. No wonder you ran & swam all the way to Sweden.

Jokes aside...times change, and with it, so do alliances. There was a time when the Americans and British were at each other's necks, from killing people to burning down the White House. Yet the two sides are best buddies today - you can rarely see a strategic move or operation of one that does not involve the other in some way.

History is filled with such stories of two best-of-friends becoming worst of enemies, baying for each other's blood...and enemies coming together to fight a common foe.

Yet if you think there is such a thing as a relationship that is to stay as it is forever, you are both misinformed & naive.

Furthermore, I do not see any reason why Pakistanis need to be perturbed by Indian assistance to Afghanistan in any way. Only those that detest the very existence of India, or those who consider the Taliban/ISIS to be their allies have a valid reason to be hateful. Neither type are an ideal citizen...but then again, modern day Pakistan is rife with such people. Not all, but definitely a considerable number.

pakistan china friendship has all the three characteristics.
1) we are friends because we don't have any disputes and are neigbours.
2) pakistan china friendship started under bhutto rule. because bhutto went to russian camp and russia was a friend of china at that time. friend of friend.
3) we share common enemy in india.

secondly about your weapons gifts to afghanistan. us gave more than 60 billion dollars and still they even don't control the outside districts of kabul. how can few helicopters help them when taliban are already used to fight the mighty airforce of US and coalition.
about how can pakistan an islamic country be a friend of communist. how could india a non communist country be a friend of russia. or how could US a non muslim country be a friend of saudi arabia a fundamental muslim country. or how could islamic iran a more fundamental islamic country be a friend of russia.

"beggars can't be chosers". until 90s our economy was more stronger than yours. it did well even under musharraf rule. its only the war on terror which made us weaker and the war is almost ended.