Indian navy ships to be fitted with cruise missiles

[sudhir007]

Indian navy ships to be fitted with cruise missiles: Voice of Russia

The president and general director of the Russian-Indian joint venture company "Bramos", Sivatkhan Pillei, who is heading the company's delegation to the International Naval Exhibition-2010 in Doha, has said that India plans to equip its home-made submarines with supersonic cruise missiles to be developed in collaboration with Russia.

The BraMos cruise missile is a symbol of the successful military cooperation between Russia and India, and the name of the missile is a combination of the two large Rivers in both countries- the Brahmaputra and Moscow. The BraMos supersonic missile can hit a target at a distance of 290 kilometers, and can fly at a height of between 15 kilometers and 10 meters. India has already equipped its land forces and surface ships with this class of missile. Now, non-nuclear submarines are to be fitted with BraMos missiles. Ruslan Pukhov, Director of the Center for strategy and technology analysis has told the VOR that the contract with India is hugely advantageous for Russia.:

"India trusts the BraMos in different versions; initially, it was conceived as an anti-ship rocket, but a submarine version is now being developed," said Pukhov. "It's advantageous for Russia because India is the main market for it. One of the leading 5 enterprises in Russia has been created on the basis of the machine construction company".

The issue of submarine based rocket remains an open-ended question, and the matter will become clearer with the appearance of a submarine fitted with the missile in question. The Indian air force has beaten other arms of the armed forces to the race as the BraMos missile will be in its service within the next two years. The latest version of the rocket can fly at more than three times the speed of sound. India's neighbours have no supersonic cruise missiles. Russia and India will soon develop a hypersonic rocket with a speedy exceeding that of sound five-fold or more, making it invulnerable to interception. It testifies to the highly successful military cooperation between India and Russia.

 

[Bull]

Unless the range of Brahmos is extended,w e wouldnt be able to use it as effective as it needs to be.

 

[sudhir007]

Unless the range of Brahmos is extended,w e wouldnt be able to use it as effective as it needs to be.

for more range nirbhay 1000k.m & k-15 750km

 

[Prometheus]

Unless the range of Brahmos is extended,w e wouldnt be able to use it as effective as it needs to be.

work going on to increase its range............Brahmos 2 to have more range and speed

 

[Chanakyaa]

300 km is sufficient for anti ship missile, at supersonic speed.
Brahmos2 will also have 300km range due to mtcr.

 

[pop_alsa]

Unless the range of Brahmos is extended,we wouldnt be able to use it as effective as it needs to be.

So, whats your solution to this "crisis of ineffective weapons"?

Please answer in yes/no -
1. If you think Brahmos is an "ineffective weapon" then why Army inducted it? You mean Russia forced Indian Army to buy an ineffective weapon?
1. Should we stop making Brahmos(300km) versions, because you think its useless in War?
2. Should we terminate the Brahmos-2(300km,hypersonic) project, as that will also be ineffective in War?
3. You want Indian Army to not induct any missiles below 300Km range? Then Should we stop all imports of Israeli missiles with ranges far below 100Km because "low-range" makes them far more ineffective?
4. Do you think a missile system is ineffective because its range is below 300km?
5. Do you expect Indian Army to use a 1000Km range missile, for attack on Pakistani armybase just 250Km away? Would that be more effective? If yes, why?

Here is some hint - Indian threat perceptions are different from that of Western countries. What IAF/IA requires is totally different than what Western weapons are made for.

Western weapon system and ranges are made keeping in mind their own needs. So, when you talk about 300km being ineffective, that's not a correct assessment based on our needs.

Your needs decide whats effective for you.

A 300km missiles are less effective than 1000km versions, for US Navy and Army. But in India's case, 300km are far more effective than 1000km versions due to shared boundaries with adversary states. USA can manage with no 300Km Surface-to-surface missiles in their inventory but 2000km is must for them to manage influence in Asian territories over sea. So, India is doing right thing by focusing on improving short-range missile arsenals. That makes more sense than going for 2000km missiles, which is not urgent and even not that effective due to geography. When a 300km missile can effectively meet India's needs, you don't need divert funds for 1000km missiles which should be lower priority and should be done in future only.

You are mixing up Western and Indian needs.

 

[Indian-Devil]

Brahmos 2 will give real nightmare for the Air Defence systems of the adversories due to its hypersonic speed. But thats also true we should have extended range for this missile like 500Kms. And if that too is able to launch from submarines then it will give a deadly punch to our enemies.

Although there will be other Cruise missles in our arsenal like Shourya and Nirbhay but Brahmos has its own characterstics which makes it unique, Thats the reason its visible on all the front line ships on IN.

 

[KEETARP]

Unless the range of Brahmos is extended,w e wouldnt be able to use it as effective as it needs to be.

Dead right , i agree with you completely abt Submarine
300 kms is good enough for ARMY+Air-Force
bcoz Using mobile platform close to border, Army can effectively hit all strategic targets , similarly sukhoi-30 armed with Brahmos flying supersonic and close to border can hit all targets .
But 300 kms for submarine launch is not good enough,
look at the Sea area of potential war with Pakistan.

Looking at the cost of each submarine acquired/Built and cost of Brahmos,
its too dangerous to take them close to Pakistan waters until their Maritime assets are cleared off (P3C / JF17 etc).

Do note Submarine have to surface up to fire cruise missile making it softer target and loosing its stealth

For hitting strategic targets its better to stay away atleast 500 kms where Mig29 and Surface fleets can provide you support against enemy's power.
This is where K15 should come in handy if armed on submarine bcoz its not a cruise missile but has all its advantages.
Once you destroy maritime power , you can safely hit your target by cheaper Nirbhay subsonic missile - why waste costly Brahmos on these.

Submarine are costly asset of a country and loosing a single submarine is a matter of pride and confidence in war.
Our submarine force should be armed with Ballistic deterrent SLBM (sagarika missile) and attack submarine with latest Torpedo's to hit strategic target remaining underwater

Its a different matter altogether with Ships bcoz , latest stealth frigates and ships like Shivalik class have Stealth to avoid detection and have descent defence system like BARAK +Guns to defend them, and they can fire Brahmos to kill Targets effectively

 

[Indian-Devil]

Do note Submarine have to surface up to fire cruise missile making it softer target and loosing its stealth

Its not necessary to surface for a submarine to fire a cruise missile. It can fire cruise missile underwater too.

It would be a better, silent and stealthy platform to deliver Brahmos to adversaries. But it will take time for India to reach that capability.

 

[manish123]

Its not necessary to surface for a submarine to fire a cruise missile. It can fire cruise missile underwater too.

It would be a better, silent and stealthy platform to deliver Brahmos to adversaries. But it will take time for India to reach that capability.

Brahmos has a range of 300k.m with 500k.g payload.

 

[saurabh]

Can anybody clarify this, what will be the advantage of submarine launched Brahmos, when we would have both Nirbhay and Shaurya?

 

[Kinetic]

Brahmos has a range of 300k.m with 500k.g payload.

Current Brahmos can carry 200 kg payload but due to high kinetic energy the impact causes nine times more destruction. Like 200x9 ie 1800 kg warhead. Air force version will carry 300 kg payload.

 

[Kinetic]

Can anybody clarify this, what will be the advantage of submarine launched Brahmos, when we would have both Nirbhay and Shaurya?

Brahmos can hit moving ships as it is an AShM unlike Nirbhay and Shourya. For that Brahmos has active radar seeker which Nirbhay and Shourya don't.

Shourya with an ARH will be a good AShM but that will not be appropriate uses of resources. Nirbhay as a slow moving missile can be easily shot down by ship's self-defense systems.

 

[saurabh]

Brahmos can hit moving ships as it is an AShM unlike Nirbhay and Shourya. For that Brahmos has active radar seeker which Nirbhay and Shourya don't.

Shourya with an ARH will be a good AShM but that will not be appropriate uses of resources. Nirbhay as a slow moving missile can be easily shot down by ship's self-defense systems.

I forgot that Brahmos is also an anti ship missile!!