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[Penguin]

Needed: 1-2 more AK630 to cover the forward arc. E.g. just forward of the Podberezovik-ET2 radar. http://smp-salyut.ru/?page_id=760

 

[Abingdonboy]

IAC-1:

 

[$@rJen]

Russian, German, Spanish Subs Compatible With BrahMos Missiles
Published February 4, 2016
SOURCE: SPUTNIK

The BrahMos cruise missiles, made jointly by India and Russia, are compatible with modern submarines produced in Russia, Germany, and Spain, CEO of BrahMos Aerospace Sudhir Kumar Mishra said Thursday.
“We are in touch with many submarine manufacturers in Russia (Rubin Design Bureau), Germany (HDW) and Spain (Navantia). These submarine manufacturers have confirmed that it is possible to integrate BrahMos with their submarines,” he told The Economic Times newspaper.
Mishra added that BrahMos has been successfully flight tested from a pontoon which demonstrated that the missile can be launched from sub-water.BrahMos is a short-range supersonic missile, which has been in use by the Indian Navy since 2005. The missile has a range of 180 miles and can carry a conventional warhead of up to 660 pounds.
Manufacturer of the missile, BrahMos Aerospace, is an India-Russia joint company named after the rivers Brahmaputra and Moskva.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

Russian, German, Spanish Subs Compatible With BrahMos Missiles
Published February 4, 2016
SOURCE: SPUTNIK

The BrahMos cruise missiles, made jointly by India and Russia, are compatible with modern submarines produced in Russia, Germany, and Spain, CEO of BrahMos Aerospace Sudhir Kumar Mishra said Thursday.
“We are in touch with many submarine manufacturers in Russia (Rubin Design Bureau), Germany (HDW) and Spain (Navantia). These submarine manufacturers have confirmed that it is possible to integrate BrahMos with their submarines,” he told The Economic Times newspaper.
Mishra added that BrahMos has been successfully flight tested from a pontoon which demonstrated that the missile can be launched from sub-water.BrahMos is a short-range supersonic missile, which has been in use by the Indian Navy since 2005. The missile has a range of 180 miles and can carry a conventional warhead of up to 660 pounds.
Manufacturer of the missile, BrahMos Aerospace, is an India-Russia joint company named after the rivers Brahmaputra and Moskva.

We can now very safely assume that S80 is out of the competition.
And with additional Scorpenes already planned, its between a modified and bigger Lada and Type 216. Personally I hope we had both, but ....

 

[$@rJen]

We can now very safely assume that S80 is out of the competition.
And with additional Scorpenes already planned, its between a modified and bigger Lada and Type 216. Personally I hope we had both, but ....

Yep... Type 216 is good but i don't think this deal would go to them, Most probably the Amur class would be chosen

 

[Ankit Kumar]

Yep... Type 216 is good but i don't think this deal would go to them, Most probably the Amur class would be chosen

Singapore has 2 Type 218 on order, which HDW says is based on a concept initially designed for India and Australia, and work on them has already started, I personally feel , Germans hold a higher hand when it comes to diesel electrics.
And yes, equally good are chances of Lada/Amur, Russia had rectified the original Lada and has restarted construction of 3 improved Lada, would wait to see their capabilities.

On a side note, Swedish are having a legacy too. Personally saying we should consider A26 over S80.

And my personal favorite, not so popular but extremely capable , Walrus class of Dutch.

Hmmm lots of awesome machines out there.

 

[mkb95]

 

[mkb95]

 

[Abingdonboy]

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Credit to original posters

 

[MilSpec]

@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy
Few questions. Others please feel free to chime in.
So is CSL getting the follow on to Vikrant on order?
If indeed there will be second IAC 1 class ship, Any news for additional Mig29K?
What happened to the the missile boat tender, any news on that?
Did we get any under water rescue platform?
Any decision on which shipyard will build the Vishal?
Any developments of additional Krivak?

btw only 6 more 29K's remaining, we will complete 45 strength for Mig29K' before the end of the year.

 

[surya kiran]

Did we get any under water rescue platform?

No. Last heard, talks were on for the Bester 1 from Russia. It was to be clubbed with the rescue ship 21300 class. A British firm was also shortlisted. Not sure what happened to them.

Supposedly, this has the tech to carry out a rescue even if the conning tower is damaged.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

So is CSL getting the follow on to Vikrant on order?

In all probability yes..

If indeed there will be second IAC 1 class ship, Any news for additional Mig29K?

Original buzz was post completion of 45 another 45 would be ordered to make the count 90.
Originally
Vice Admiral Madanjit Singh, at a press conference on 13 April 2005, pegged the price of each aircraft at $32 million. Based on this calculation, the $740 million contract works out to $46.25 million per aircraft. The additional $14.25 million per aircraft (or $228 million in total) includes the cost of the full hardware for training personnel, simulators and interactive ground & sea based training systems.
MiG-29K / KUB - Bharat Rakshak :: Indian Navy

With a decade passed the $32 Mn should today reach at least $45-50 Mn owing to Ruble devaluation as compared to USD and inflationary price increase. Throwing say another 15Mn for weapons and other associated costs like the previous ones the price for the package should come to around USD 60 Mn+ per jet and the package should be around USD 3 Bn (+/-10%)

If the need was envisioned for original 90, IN would have negotiated for some major offset and capability building as part of the deal. The issue it seems Vikaramaditya and IAC1 aerial wing the lethality is at best with Mig 29Ks and operational convenience is hoped with LCA Navy. Their theater of operations in possible future seems to be outer periphery of Indian Ocean. From the perspective of Arabian Sea and Bay of Bengal purely Indian peninsular part ACCs, based on future threat perceptions, IN is looking for far more lethal firepower. Especially 2 ACC which will house jets capable of delivering an N option in standoff or other mode...This clearly is the N ACC 2 in nos which will have Rafale M/F35 + AMCA N combination in future,

Judging from the timeline of say 2028 types for the follow on ship, i will bet for Rafale M + LCA Navy since that ship and its wings will serve 50 years give and take 10 years here and there.. Mig 29K beyond 2050 timeline looks a bit difficult..Mig 35 perhaps yes...

I see order firming in another 3-5 years .. not now surely..... Its too early for follow on ship based shopping...

What happened to the the missile boat tender, any news on that?

Its getting approved soon in DAC for Rs 13500 Crs
See here:

Defence Ministry’s Rs 13,500 crore warship order will throw up a major opportunity for private sector
By Manu Pubby, ET Bureau | 16 Jan, 2016, 06.14AM IST

The defence ministry is set to clear a Rs 13,500 crore warship acquisition that will throw up a major opportunity for private shipyards to bag the contract, given that most government owned yards are currently running at full capacity.

The Navy's proposal to acquire next generation missiles vessels (NGMV) - six of the missile boats are needed for the fleet - is likely to get a go ahead from the high powered defence acquisition council (DAC) shortly, with private shipyards L&T and Pipavav in the fray, besides defence ministry owned yards

While the procurement meets the Rs 10,000 crore threshold that qualifies projects for the new `strategic partnership' model, it may not be processed as such given that the defence ministry is months away from finalizing details. Under the strategic partnership model that the defence ministry is finalising a single private sector company will be selected for a particular manufacturing capability - be it warships, submarines or land systems.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar had told ET that ongoing projects - like the NGMV - would be processed under older rules that did not include a Strategic Partner and that only new contracts on a case by case basis will follow the new model.

For the NCMV, the Navy has not specified displacement but has said that it wants a single Hull Form warship that can travel at over 35 knots and has an endurance of 10 days at sea. The ship should also carry a minimum of 8 surface to surface missiles, be fitted with a Point Defence System (PDMS) and possess a medium range gun with 'stealth features' having range a range of over 15 km


Defence Ministry’s Rs 13,500 crore warship order will throw up a major opportunity for private sector - The Economic Times

Did we get any under water rescue platform?

DSRV quest is really old and riddled with unnecessary delays. We could not make any progress during our India Russia summit in December 2015. Our interest was with Project 21300.

Originally in July this news was out
There have been some specific requests from the Indian Navy and we are taking them in account when offering a product from our side. A presentation was also made for the Indian Navy on board the first vessel of the Project 21300 class at our shipyard," Alexander Buzakov, Chief Executive Officer of Russia's Admiralty Shipyards told ET

India scouts for new deep sea rescue ship, in talks with Russia for latest model - The Economic Times

Any decision on which shipyard will build the Vishal?

I believe CSL may become the ACC making Shipyard of our country. I remember somewhere i read CSL has built 95K tonne ship also. But the only issue will be that a new part development or extension has to be done for enabling parallel construction of 65K tonne ship and 45K tonne ship..
It wont be a bad idea for GOI and IN to invest on it as we are looking at next 2 decades at least for this shipyard to work non stop

An outside bet could be a pvt shipyard.. May be the new Reliance ADAG one at Rambilli. Since they specifically used the word Nuclear Carriers and subs...

The new defence wing of one of India's largest private sector firms has unveiled plans to build a sprawling shipyard on India's east coast to build nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers. Reliance Defence Ltd (part of the Reliance Anil Ambani Group) has entered into an MoU with the Andhra Pradesh government to build a facility that will be co-located with the Indian Navy's strategic base and BARC's nuclear facility at Rambilli, approximately 70 km south of Visakhapatnam, where the Indian Navy's Eastern Command Headquarters is also located.

A statement from the firm today said, "This facility will support the Indian Navy’s strategic projects and focus on building strategic submarines and aircraft carriers."

As part of the memorandum signed between Reliance and the Andhra Pradesh government, the latter will make 1,500 acres of land available for this facility in close proximity of strategic establishments of the Indian Navy and Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC).

LIVEFIST: Reliance Announces Shipyard For Nuke Subs & Carriers

Any developments of additional Krivak?

The talks of 4 Krivak III frigates did not materalize in our Indian Russian summit in Dec 2015. There was talks about price being one factor and another being transfer of tech to Pipavav.. Also logic states we get unfinished hulls which i think did nt work out owing to price difference and we wanting to add localisation clause + the engine issues via Ukraine.

As of now its still under negotiations.. But nothing concrete yet,,

 

[Nilgiri]

In all fairness, @PARIKRAMA should be given think tank status or something like that.

His posts are real quality!

 

[Ankit Kumar]

@PARIKRAMA @Penguin
Have a look at this https://m.facebook.com/philippinesdefense/photos/a.268163766632580.61605.268124096636547/910374222411528/?type=3&refid=17&_ft_=top_level_post_id.910374222411528:tl_objid.910374222411528:thid.268124096636547:306061129499414:69:0:1456819199:-4098610650303852108

Now does Karmorta fulfill these conditions?
I am assuming GRSE will offer Karmorta myself, they haven't said anything yet.

And how does the chances of an Indian win fare?