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[uparyupari]

Not quite, that will not change anything, The IN routinely lands their Air-Wing ashore when the Carrier either homeports or makes a major port call for refit. The Air-Crew get to spend time at home, to get briefed/de-briefed and get routine training while the Aircraft get close attention from the AMEs.

All that is good and fine, what happens when IN need to deploy the AC for a 3-6 month deployment ? what if it wants to deploy the AC for a 12 month deployment ? Without such a capability its just a coastal defence force.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

All that is good and fine, what happens when IN need to deploy the AC for a 3-6 month deployment ? what if it wants to deploy the AC for a 12 month deployment ? Without such a capability its just a coastal defence force.

Do you know what defines the length of deployment of a Carrier or a CBG or the components therof?
Do know what are required to sustain or support the Carrier in its deployment?
Can you say what is the max deployment of a Nimitz CVAN Super Carrier?

But you are able to trot out some numbers there and then make a judgemental statement at the end of it all.

Look for the answers to the questions above, enlightenment will dawn.

 

[uparyupari]

Do you know what defines the length of deployment of a Carrier or a CBG or the components therof?
Do know what are required to sustain or support the Carrier in its deployment?
Can you say what is the max deployment of a Nimitz CVAN Super Carrier?

But you are able to trot out some numbers there and then make a judgemental statement at the end of it all.

Look for the answers to the questions above, enlightenment will dawn.

It is for your to google up those figures if you want to make any point.

If you do not know, just say you do not know and are too lazy to google it. Do not pretend to know anything about US carrier deployment ..... that is just pathetic.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

It is for your to google up those figures if you want to make any point.

If you do not know, just say you do not know and are too lazy to google it. Do not pretend to know anything about US carrier deployment ..... that is just pathetic.

I know more about it than you do.....dude, you are the "Armchair Admiral" around here, charlie.
Now don't display any more of you ignorance and embarrass yourself further, and don't forget to consult "Google Maama" on the way out.

 

[jarves]

It is for your to google up those figures if you want to make any point.

If you do not know, just say you do not know and are too lazy to google it. Do not pretend to know anything about US carrier deployment ..... that is just pathetic.

Hi,

You should take his posts seriously dude.He probably knows more than anyone abut Indian navy on this platform.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I guess to be a true Blue Navy we need to have major R&R on board the ship itself. Time to plan for an 80,000 Ton IAC

Not at all, in all carrier navies the SOP is for the air wing to depart as soon as the operational requirement for them is over so once TROPEX-2015 had concluded it makes perfect sense for them to return to their home base for some R&R (for both man and machine). With the USN (operating 100,000 ton carriers) it is the norm for the air wing to depart once the carrier is in range of their home base1-2 days before the carrier pulls into her home port when the CBG is returning from a deployment.

No carrier is going to have their air wing embarked 24X7.

All that is good and fine, what happens when IN need to deploy the AC for a 3-6 month deployment ? what if it wants to deploy the AC for a 12 month deployment ? Without such a capability its just a coastal defence force.

Where are you getting the idea the IN's CBGs can't be deployed for 3-6 months or more? As I have pointed out, the air wing returning to their home base on the completion of their operational duties is the norm. In this instance that was once the TROPEX was over, that doesn't mean the deployment couldn't have been longer.

And the USN doesn't conduct 12 month deployments under peacetime conditions.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Hi,

You should take his posts seriously dude.He probably knows more than anyone abut Indian navy than anyone on this platform.

I think that you and I have to be objectively honest about this; hence it will be incorrect to say "He probably knows more than anyone about Indian Navy than anyone on this platform". There are no absolutes on this score, anybody can know as much or more than me.

It just happens that I earned a living doing some of the things that I can talk about. But I am not current on every last bit of nitty-gritty info, my area of interests have now gone beyond things that were part of my career; so I now involve myself in many eclectic things...... which to be honest, even surprise me. That is just to put things in perspective.... though I do get rather irritated to read and hear opinions which tend to be judgemental, even if there is nothing to substantiate them!

Thanks anyway though.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Not at all, in all carrier navies the SOP is for the air wing to depart as soon as the operational requirement for them is over so once TROPEX-2015 had concluded it makes perfect sense for them to return to their home base for some R&R (for both man and machine). With the USN (operating 100,000 ton carriers) it is the norm for the air wing to depart once the carrier is in range of their home base1-2 days before the carrier pulls into her home port when the CBG is returning from a deployment.

No carrier is going to have their air wing 24X7.


Where are you getting the idea the IN's CBGs can't be deployed for 3-6 months or more? As I have pointed out, the airing returning to their home base on the completion of their operational duties is the norm. In this instance that was once the TROPEX was over, that doesn't mean the deployment couldn't have been longer.

And the USN doesn't conduct 12 month deployments under peacetime conditions.

Just to add a little to the well-made out points from you. Theoretically a Carrier can be deployed for very long at sea, just keep on replenishing Fuel and Supplies at Sea from Fleet Supply Ships. But it does not work like that.

The efficiency of the Men on board drops off after a certain point. Unless they are allowed to R&R at intervals. Even in Conflicts such as WW 2 or the Viet Nam War; the Ship (any ship, mind you) would put into Port and not only would the Crew get some time off, but some of them would be rotated. One cannot remain at "Heightened States of Readiness" indefinitely. In a more recent conflict, in the Gulf War; the USN Carrier(s) would put into Mina Jebel Ali (in UAE) about 4-6 weeks. That is when I got to see 2 of them. In that case, their Air-Wings were retained on board only because they did not have a shore air-base, though it is conceivable that some of them may have been flown off to Ad Dhahran or Abu Dhabi or some other base ashore for any major work. But if those Carriers return to say, Norfolk, Va. or San Diego, Ca. or Oakland, Ca. then the Air-Wings will be flown off to their home-bases earlier. Remember that the Carrier cannot launch their aircraft while in Port.

Apart from that, the Port Call allows the Ships themselves to be attended to by the "Dockyard Mateys", who get to work on anything and everything that can be attended to while the Ship is afloat. Note that on a Op. deployment (even an Exercise); everything is used at peak-performance most of the time.

The idea is this: not to run every-thing into the ground; whether the Ship, its Gear or its Crew.

 

[uparyupari]

Hi,

You should take his posts seriously dude.He probably knows more than anyone abut Indian navy on this platform.

You are free to hero worship him and become his chela, I have a different take on braggart. PDF is full of such "experts" and wind bags who blow their own trumpet.

I respect the posts, not the poster.

Where are you getting the idea the IN's CBGs can't be deployed for 3-6 months or more? As I have pointed out, the air wing returning to their home base on the completion of their operational duties is the norm. In this instance that was once the TROPEX was over, that doesn't mean the deployment couldn't have been longer.

And the USN doesn't conduct 12 month deployments under peacetime conditions.

The Average time for a US Carrier deployment is 8 Months. It was reduced from an earlier 10 month cycle.

Indian Navy's AC carrier deployment cycle is nowhere near that. Primarily because it was a much smaller ship. But with an increase in tonnage, the ability to have longer deployment is also possible and IN will will looking to increase the deployment cycle with the new AC's. More importantly, so far the IN AC have been lurking near the coasts as was reported by the Media. Primarily since they are new to operating the Mig 29K. Hopefully as the confidence increase, the deployment will increase.

 

[Víðarr]

The Average time for a US Carrier deployment is 8 Months. It was reduced from an earlier 10 month cycle.

Correct... well sort of. Cruise length (deployment for crews) is down from ten months, but up from the 6 month seen in the 90s. Currenlty cruise length is 8 months. But individual ships can be stationed in theater, without a replacement, for several years. Usually fleet replacement for carriers operates on a 3 (once every 36 months) year schedule.

Navy to Begin 8-Month Carrier Deployments | Military.com

Remember, deployment length refers to the crew, not the ship.

 

[Hindustani78]

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[Abingdonboy]

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[Hindustani78]

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[ravinderpalrulez]

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[Mustang06]

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