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[Hindustani78]

NDTV Reporting Dornier crash

Panaji, Goa: A Dornier aircraft of the Indian Navy, which was on a routine training mission with three personnel on board, crashed last night about 25 nautical miles South West of Goa.

While one personnel has been rescued, two officers - a Captain and an Observer - are still missing.

The last contact with the aircraft was reported at 10.08 pm last night.

Full scale search and rescue operation has been launched with more than six warships and some aircraft pressed into service.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...e-aircraft-crashes-in-goa/article7030782.ece\
A Dornier aircraft of the Eastern Naval Command flies over Visakhapatnam in this 2009 file photo.

PTI adds

The Navy has ordered a Board of Inquiry into the crash that occurred off the Goa coast.

“Six Naval ships and four aircraft were immediately deployed for search which is still continuing to locate the two officers. The Navy has ordered a Board of Inquiry into the accident,” a Navy press release said.

The Naval air station at Goa lost communication with the aircraft at 10.02 PM, the release said.

The aircraft is feared to have ditched soon thereafter, it added.




Ministry of Defence
25-March, 2015 18:56 IST
Navy Dornier Ditches During a Night Training Sortie off Goa


A Dornier aircraft of the Indian Navy on a routine night training sortie ditched at sea about 20 nautical miles South West of Goa on the night of 24 Mar 15. The Naval Air Station at Goa lost radar contact with the aircraft at 10:08 PM on 24 Mar 15. The aircraft is feared to have ditched soon thereafter. The aircrew onboard the aircraft comprised three officers (two Pilots and one woman Observer). One Survivor, Commander Nikhil Kuldip Joshi, was picked up by a passing fishing boat (Niharika – from a fishing hamlet off Karwar) and transferred to a naval Fast Interceptor Craft. He is presently in naval hospital ‘Patanjali’ at Karwar and is reported to be stable.

Eight Naval ships and four aircraft were immediately deployed to search the area to locate the remaining two officers. Presently, there are 12 ships (including two ships from Indian Coast Guard) and four aircraft involved in the SAR operations. The Next of Kin of the aircrew have been informed. Meanwhile, a Board of Inquiry has been ordered to establish the cause of the accident.

During the day Admiral RK Dhowan, Chief of the Naval Staff, flew down to Goa and took stock of the SAR operation. He also met the families of the aircrew and met Cdr NK Joshi at Karwar before returning to Delhi in the evening.

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Panaji, Mar 25 (PTI) An Indian Navy surveillance aircraft crashed south-west off Goa coast with two officers, including a woman, missing while one has been rescued.

The Dornier maritime surveillance aircraft, which was on a routine training sortie, lost contact with the Naval Air Station in Goa last night at 22:08 hours.

"The aircraft is feared to have ditched soon thereafter.

The aircrew onboard the aircraft comprised three officers (two Pilots and one woman Observer)," the Navy said in a statement.

 

[Hindustani78]

Indian Navy teams on Thursday night recovered the body of Lt Kiran Shekhawat from sunk Dornier aircraft that is some 60 metres underwater. The aircraft had crashed into the Arabian Sea around 37 km south-west of the naval base in Goa on Tuesday night.

The body is being taken to Goa for last rites. Lt Shekhawat was the observor on board the plane. The observor sits in the plane to monitor surveillance equipment. The body being inside the plane indicates that there was virtually no time to escape.
Lt Kiran Shekhawat

Sub-lieutenant Abhinav Nagori; body still missing.

Dornier aircraft fuselage located, search on for missing - The Hindu
Naval divers have on Thursday evening identified the 16-metre-long fuselage section of the Dornier aircraft that crashed into sea, navy officials informed. Efforts are now on to locate the two missing personnel.

“The fuselage was detected within half a mile of the location where radar contact was lost and the depth in the area is about 50-60 metres,” officials said.

Earlier in the day INS Makar, a naval hydrographic vessel detected a large metallic object using her side scan sonar which was believed to be that of the crashed Dornier. Subsequently divers from another ship INS Matanga were pressed into service.

The aircraft was on a routine training mission with three personnel on board when it lost contact with air traffic control 25 nautical miles off Goa coast on the night of March 24.

 

[Agent_47]

Of course Talwar is Krivak III with P17 features grafted onto it....

How so are Talwar and P17 so different: there is very little difference in the nature of armament and main sensors. Why is Talwar more ASW and Shivalik more multirole? The latter has double the helicopter load, which is your prime ASW weapon, aside from 533mm torps and RBU6000. Both classes have 8 AShM. Both classes have 24 Shtil and (at least in batch 1 Talwar) a secondary SAM system. All have multibarrel 30mm gatlings. Both have a medium naval gun. I don't see the difference in orientation.

Besides, I was comparing P15A and P17/17A.

On P15A: they could have mounted Barak 1 easily but didn't. Essentially the same situation as on p15 could have been installed, with 2 AK630 and 2x2 8 cell Barak 1 and 2 Elta directors. So you are reffering to ban on Barak 1, yes? IMHO it ended up with 32 Barak 2 because there was no ARH or IIRH inner layer SAM like Maitra/SRSAM available (yet).

Talwar and P17 are almost same in role and armaments.Then why go for costly p17 when you can do everything with 4000ton ship?
Also,why did IN ditched Kashtan CIWS for second lot of talwar,considering it has 9M311 missiles unlike AK630 ?

 

[Penguin]

Talwar and P17 are almost same in role and armaments.Then why go for costly p17 when you can do everything with 4000ton ship?
Also,why did IN ditched Kashtan CIWS for second lot of talwar,considering it has 9M311 missiles unlike AK630 ?

Because P17 was under development, Indian naval yards occupied and IN needed ships replacements fast in the short run, so they got the Russians to provide some that would be compatiblae with the roles for which the P17 was being built domestically.

IN never liked Kashtan. It is also dropped on the new 113556R frigates for the Russian navy.

 

[Hindustani78]

Indian Navy teams on Thursday night recovered the body of Lt Kiran Shekhawat from sunk Dornier aircraft that is some 60 metres underwater. The aircraft had crashed into the Arabian Sea around 37 km south-west of the naval base in Goa on Tuesday night.

The body is being taken to Goa for last rites. Lt Shekhawat was the observor on board the plane. The observor sits in the plane to monitor surveillance equipment. The body being inside the plane indicates that there was virtually no time to escape.
Lt Kiran Shekhawat

Sub-lieutenant Abhinav Nagori; body still missing.

Dornier aircraft fuselage located, search on for missing - The Hindu
Naval divers have on Thursday evening identified the 16-metre-long fuselage section of the Dornier aircraft that crashed into sea, navy officials informed. Efforts are now on to locate the two missing personnel.

“The fuselage was detected within half a mile of the location where radar contact was lost and the depth in the area is about 50-60 metres,” officials said.

Earlier in the day INS Makar, a naval hydrographic vessel detected a large metallic object using her side scan sonar which was believed to be that of the crashed Dornier. Subsequently divers from another ship INS Matanga were pressed into service.

The aircraft was on a routine training mission with three personnel on board when it lost contact with air traffic control 25 nautical miles off Goa coast on the night of March 24.

Dornier crash: Body of third officer found; flight data recorders also recovered | Zee News
Panaji: Rescuers on Friday recovered the missing body of Lt Abhinav Nagori from the fuselage of the crashed Dornier-228 maritime surveillance aircraft.


Flight data recorders have also been recovered from the fuselage and search and rescue operations have been called off.

Lt Nagori's body, meanwhile, is being brought to Goa.

Lt Nagori was among the three crew members of the ill-fated Dornier-228 aircraft which crashed into the Arabian Sea near Goa earlier this week.

While the body of Lt Kiran Shekhawat was found on Thursday, Commander Nikhil Kuldip Joshi was rescued alive when the crash happened on Tuesday night.

 

[Abingdonboy]

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...e-aircraft-crashes-in-goa/article7030782.ece\
A Dornier aircraft of the Eastern Naval Command flies over Visakhapatnam in this 2009 file photo.

PTI adds

The Navy has ordered a Board of Inquiry into the crash that occurred off the Goa coast.

“Six Naval ships and four aircraft were immediately deployed for search which is still continuing to locate the two officers. The Navy has ordered a Board of Inquiry into the accident,” a Navy press release said.

The Naval air station at Goa lost communication with the aircraft at 10.02 PM, the release said.

The aircraft is feared to have ditched soon thereafter, it added.




Ministry of Defence
25-March, 2015 18:56 IST
Navy Dornier Ditches During a Night Training Sortie off Goa


A Dornier aircraft of the Indian Navy on a routine night training sortie ditched at sea about 20 nautical miles South West of Goa on the night of 24 Mar 15. The Naval Air Station at Goa lost radar contact with the aircraft at 10:08 PM on 24 Mar 15. The aircraft is feared to have ditched soon thereafter. The aircrew onboard the aircraft comprised three officers (two Pilots and one woman Observer). One Survivor, Commander Nikhil Kuldip Joshi, was picked up by a passing fishing boat (Niharika – from a fishing hamlet off Karwar) and transferred to a naval Fast Interceptor Craft. He is presently in naval hospital ‘Patanjali’ at Karwar and is reported to be stable.

Eight Naval ships and four aircraft were immediately deployed to search the area to locate the remaining two officers. Presently, there are 12 ships (including two ships from Indian Coast Guard) and four aircraft involved in the SAR operations. The Next of Kin of the aircrew have been informed. Meanwhile, a Board of Inquiry has been ordered to establish the cause of the accident.

During the day Admiral RK Dhowan, Chief of the Naval Staff, flew down to Goa and took stock of the SAR operation. He also met the families of the aircrew and met Cdr NK Joshi at Karwar before returning to Delhi in the evening.

fullstory
Panaji, Mar 25 (PTI) An Indian Navy surveillance aircraft crashed south-west off Goa coast with two officers, including a woman, missing while one has been rescued.

The Dornier maritime surveillance aircraft, which was on a routine training sortie, lost contact with the Naval Air Station in Goa last night at 22:08 hours.

"The aircraft is feared to have ditched soon thereafter.

The aircrew onboard the aircraft comprised three officers (two Pilots and one woman Observer)," the Navy said in a statement.

Indian Navy teams on Thursday night recovered the body of Lt Kiran Shekhawat from sunk Dornier aircraft that is some 60 metres underwater. The aircraft had crashed into the Arabian Sea around 37 km south-west of the naval base in Goa on Tuesday night.

The body is being taken to Goa for last rites. Lt Shekhawat was the observor on board the plane. The observor sits in the plane to monitor surveillance equipment. The body being inside the plane indicates that there was virtually no time to escape.
Lt Kiran Shekhawat

Sub-lieutenant Abhinav Nagori; body still missing.

Dornier aircraft fuselage located, search on for missing - The Hindu
Naval divers have on Thursday evening identified the 16-metre-long fuselage section of the Dornier aircraft that crashed into sea, navy officials informed. Efforts are now on to locate the two missing personnel.

“The fuselage was detected within half a mile of the location where radar contact was lost and the depth in the area is about 50-60 metres,” officials said.

Earlier in the day INS Makar, a naval hydrographic vessel detected a large metallic object using her side scan sonar which was believed to be that of the crashed Dornier. Subsequently divers from another ship INS Matanga were pressed into service.

The aircraft was on a routine training mission with three personnel on board when it lost contact with air traffic control 25 nautical miles off Goa coast on the night of March 24.

Dornier crash: Body of third officer found; flight data recorders also recovered | Zee News
Panaji: Rescuers on Friday recovered the missing body of Lt Abhinav Nagori from the fuselage of the crashed Dornier-228 maritime surveillance aircraft.


Flight data recorders have also been recovered from the fuselage and search and rescue operations have been called off.

Lt Nagori's body, meanwhile, is being brought to Goa.

Lt Nagori was among the three crew members of the ill-fated Dornier-228 aircraft which crashed into the Arabian Sea near Goa earlier this week.

While the body of Lt Kiran Shekhawat was found on Thursday, Commander Nikhil Kuldip Joshi was rescued alive when the crash happened on Tuesday night.

A horrific task but still the IN should be commended for their SAR and subsequent recovery operations- locating the wreckage and recovering the bodies of the deceased is no small task and they completed this in a relatively short time span.

 

[Hindustani78]

A horrific task but still the IN should be commended for their SAR and subsequent recovery operations- locating the wreckage and recovering the bodies of the deceased is no small task and they completed this in a relatively short time span.

Yes. RIP

INS Makar, a naval hydrographic vessel detected a large metallic object using her side scan sonar which was believed to be that of the crashed Dornier. Subsequently divers from another ship INS Matanga were pressed into service.

 

[babbar]

Because P17 was under development, Indian naval yards occupied and IN needed ships replacements fast in the short run, so they got the Russians to provide some that would be compatiblae with the roles for which the P17 was being built domestically.

IN never liked Kashtan. It is also dropped on the new 113556R frigates for the Russian navy.

Sorry for digression. But why are the p17s so much heavier than talwars? Is there room for more armament and equipment? Ok the extra helicopter and greater range still does not explain the 50 percent higher tonnage.

This is probably already discussed but I could not find it.

 

[Penguin]

P17 is bigger, hence displaces more. It clearly has greater range for a given speed, which will in part be due to a different engine arrangement and in part by greater 'bunkerage'. It has 2x RBU-6000 system rather than just 1. It has a double rather than a single helicopter hangar, as well as a larger helicopter deck with a helicopter hauldown and retrieval system (Beartrap?). It has a large secondary radar. It has a towed array sonar, rather than a variable depth sonar.

11356
Length: 124.8 metres
Beam: 15.2 metres
Draught: 4.2 metres
COGAG propulsion
Range: 4,850 mi (7,810 km) at 14 knots (26 km/h), 1,600 miles (2,600 km) at 30 knots (56 km/h)

P17
Length: 142.5 m (468 ft)
Beam: 16.9 m (55 ft)
Draught: 4.5 m (15 ft)
CODOG propulsion
Range: In excess of 5,000 nmi (9,000 km) at 18 kn (33 km/h)

 

[Hindustani78]

Dornier crash: Navy officers to be cremated with full military honours | Zee News
Last Updated: Saturday, March 28, 2015 - 15:34

New Delhi: The two Indian Navy personnel who died in the crash of a Dornier-228 maritime surveillance aircraft will be cremated with full military honours, an officer said on Saturday.


The bodies of the co-pilot, Lieutenant Abhinav Nagori, and flight observer Lieutenant Kiran Shekhawat, were recovered from the fuselage of the crashed aircraft.

Lt Nagori, who was from Udaipur in Rajasthan will be cremated there on Sunday.

Lt Shekhawat, who hailed Haryana's Palwal district, will be cremated there on Sunday.

The crash occurred on Tuesday night around 10 p.m. when the Dornier-228 with three crew members onboard went down in the Arabian Sea off the coast of Goa.

The pilot, Commander Nikhil Kuldip Joshi, was rescued by a passing fishing boat.

A massive search and rescue operation was started involving at least 12 ships and several aircraft.

The fuselage of he plane was located by INS Makar, a naval hydrographic vessel, at a depth of 50-60 metres.

Divers were rushed and subsequently the body of Lt Shekhawat was recovered from the fuselage on Thursday night, while the body of Lt. Nagori was recovered on Friday.

IANS

 

[K M Cariappa]

Pic not mine... Found it on twitter

Courtsey: foxtrot

 

[migflug]

Dornier crash: ‘It was pitch dark, no other boat around… and we heard a faint cry – Bhaiya, bhaiya’

Quote:
At around 10.30 pm last Tuesday, the six-member crew on board Niharika, a fishing boat anchored near Karnataka’s Bhatkal coast, were washing their plates after a meal of brown rice and fried mackerel when they heard a faint cry. “It was pitch dark, not too windy, and there was no other boat around. We thought the sound was unusual,” Vishnu, brother of captain Mahadev Sukku Harikanth, told The Sunday Express. At first, they ignored it. But then, Premanand, the 21-year-old cook, said he could hear someone calling out “bhaiya, bhaiya”. “We realised it was someone crying for help,” said Mahadev, a veteran fisherman with over 15 years of experience out on the Arabian Sea.

And so began the incredible story of the rescue that saved the life of Lt Commander Nikhil Joshi, pilot of the Indian Navy’s Dornier aircraft that crashed earlier that night, killing the two others on board. As soon as it sank in that someone out there needed help, Mahadev said he rushed to the “Master’s room” (captain’s room) on the bridge of the boat and switched on all the eight “focus lights”, turning them to the sea. The crew, meanwhile, got down on a concrete slab on the left of the boat. Soon, they heard that faint cry again — “bhaiya, bhaiya” — and then, the sound of water splashing. Mahadev turned the lights towards the direction of the sound. And there, finally, they saw a “human figure”, about 500m away. “I didn’t even wait to pull up the anchor fully, and sped towards that spot. We saw that it was a man, and that he was in uniform. The crew threw a “ring buoy” out. We then advised him to move towards the left of the boat. We passed a rope for him to hold but he was weak and just wrapped it around his waist. We pulled him up,” Mahadev said.

It took four of them to get the man on the boat. “We placed him on the floor of the boat. He was shivering but he thanked us. For the next 15 minutes, he was quiet and remained wrapped in a blanket that we gave him,” Mahadev said. Then, the officer gave the crew a mobile number to call for help. “But the boat was 25 nautical miles away from land and the mobile network was not connecting,” said Vishnu, Mahadev’s brother. “So we sped towards Karwar to get help as soon as possible. Somewhere along the way, we got mobile connectivity and called the number. Those who answered asked for our coordinates and directed us to stay on course for Karwar.

We later realised they were senior Naval officers. In the next 20 minutes, we received more than 30 calls from Naval officials in Pune, Maharashtra, Goa and Karnataka, all asking about the condition of the officer.” Other members of the crew said they gave the officer hot water and lime juice. “When we asked him if he would like some tea, he said he wouldn’t mind a little,” one of them said.
Mahadev picks up the story now. “Around 10 nautical miles from Karwar, we received a call on my mobile and were told to stop the boat. A Naval ship signalled to us and we responded. Soon, a small boat approached us and two Navy men came on board and began providing first aid to the man we had saved. Then, they took him along with them,” he said.

According to him, the crew also passed on a small hand-written note listing the coordinates of the rescue site. “We were not told by anyone about the plane crash. We came to know of it from the news later. We are only happy that we did our part to serve the country,” Mahadev said. “This will remain in the minds of the crew for the rest of their lives. We saved the life of a soldier and that makes us proud. I wish we could have also found those two others,” he added.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Late Lt Abhinav Nagori

RIP aviator

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Interesting picture there. The Ship is being "Degaussed", to reduce her magnetic signature.

 

[Penguin]

Interesting picture there. The Ship is being "Degaussed", to reduce her magnetic signature.

There's a pair building behind her in that pic.