Indian Navy admiral did not like HAL Tejas as he was too tall for jet!?

[Armoured Division]

Some journalists close to HAL sources are claiming that the senior Indian Navy officer Vice-Admiral AR Karve (FOC-in-C Southern Naval Command) who was given a review of N-Tejas few months back did not like the jet because he found the cockpit was too small for his height (6'8").

HAL/ADA teams members found it a biased logic as no fighter pilots are as tall as the Vice-Admiral as pilot limits are generally 6'4".


Neither HAL nor Naval Hq will issue the official reason.

 

[shah1398]

Neither HAL nor Naval Hq will issue the official reason.

It was said that they had ejected it because it was too heavy for the carrier. So if its not the main reason then simple maths can prove them wrong. On the contrary do U seriously believe that he did so for this reason of height? On the contrary for all pilots its not mainly the over all height but "Torso Length" that determines whether a pilot is fit to sit in a particular cockpit or not esp for the cockpit of a fighter aircraft.

 

[livingdead]

Link to the article please..

 

[shah1398]

Some journalists close to HAL sources are claiming that the senior Indian Navy officer Vice Admiral AR Karve who was given a review of N-Tejas few months back did not like the jet because he found the cockpit was too small for his height (6'8").

These kind of statements died with the end of British Raj. Its no more that easy to say "Yay hum ko pasand nhi aya, iss ko phaink do". And its not just one guy to decide rather he has to explain and convince like a hundred people from different sections, let alone just IN.

 

[Armoured Division]

Link to the article please..

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[shah1398]

Link to the article please..

Seems more like hearsay stuff.

 

[livingdead]

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screenshot?

 

[Armoured Division]

These kind of statements died with the end of British Raj. Its no more that easy to say "Yay hum ko pasand nhi aya, iss ko phaink do". And its not just one guy to decide rather he has to explain and convince like a hundred people from different sections, let alone just IN.

When a senior officer is not find of an aircraft it reduces the review score

 

[egodoc222]

You can't open a thread without link!!

 

[r@ven21]

obvious eason
1.Single engine
2.Weight issue

 

[Kailash Rava]

It was said that they had ejected it because it was too heavy for the carrier

2.Weight issue

Mig-29.:- empty weight 11,000kg
Loaded weight 15,300kg
Max takeoff weight 20,000kg
Rafale :- empty weight 10,000kg
Loaded weight 15,000kg
Max takeoff weight 24,000kg


And
Tejas :- empty weigh 6,560kg
Loaded weight 9,500kg
Max takeoff 13,500

begins global search

Special CorrespondentNEW DELHI: 28 JANUARY 2017 00:25 IST
UPDATED: 28 JANUARY 2017 00:29 IST

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After declaring the naval version of the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas unfit for operating from aircraft carriers in its “present form,” the Indian Navy has launched a global hunt for a carrier-based multi-role fighter aircraft.

“The Defence Ministry intends to procure approximately 57 Multi-Role Carrier-Borne Fighters [MRCBF] for the Navy,” the Navy stated in the Request for Information (RFI) dated January 17.

Last month, Navy Chief Admiral Sunil Lanba said the “present LCA does not meet the carrier capability required by the Navy.” He said the service would continue to support its development but “at the same time we will seek aircraft elsewhere which can operate on the aircraft carrier.”

Mig-29K fighters in use

The Navy currently operates Russian Mig-29K twin engine fighters from the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya. These will also fly from the first Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) Vikrant once it enters service. The Navy has procured 45 Mig-29Ks in two batches.

The Navy does not intend to procure more Mig-29s given its troubled history.

While the RFI does not specify a single or twin engine aircraft, Navy officials too had said in the past that they would need heavier and more capable aircraft for a diverse set of operations.

The RFI says the aircraft are “intended as day-and-night capable, all-weather, multi-role, deck-based combat aircraft which can be used for air defence, air-to-surface operations, Buddy refuelling, reconnaissance etc from IN aircraft carriers.”

The IAC-II which is currently at the design stage can handle twin engine, heavy aircraft, greatly extending the area of operations.

This narrows down the selection to two aircraft now available in the global market — Boeing’s F-18 Super Hornet and Dassault Rafale, 36 of which the Indian Air Force has contracted. The F-35 fifth generation aircraft of the U.S. is also an option.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/www.th...cle17105331.ece/amp/?client=ms-unknown&espv=1

 

[Centurion2016]

Indian Navy will end up adding over 50 rafale too the navy in post 2025 for thye thitd carrier the Vishal

 

[randomradio]

The N-LCA was rejected because its landing speed was too high.

 

[Ajaxpaul]

Pls close this thread....cannot debate anything on hearsay.

 

[shah1398]

Mig-29.:- empty weight 11,000kg
Loaded weight 15,300kg
Max takeoff weight 20,000kg
Rafale :- empty weight 10,000kg
Loaded weight 15,000kg
Max takeoff weight 24,000kg


And
Tejas :- empty weigh 6,560kg
Loaded weight 9,500kg
Max takeoff 13,500

begins global search

Special CorrespondentNEW DELHI: 28 JANUARY 2017 00:25 IST
UPDATED: 28 JANUARY 2017 00:29 IST

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After declaring the naval version of the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas unfit for operating from aircraft carriers in its “present form,” the Indian Navy has launched a global hunt for a carrier-based multi-role fighter aircraft.

“The Defence Ministry intends to procure approximately 57 Multi-Role Carrier-Borne Fighters [MRCBF] for the Navy,” the Navy stated in the Request for Information (RFI) dated January 17.

Last month, Navy Chief Admiral Sunil Lanba said the “present LCA does not meet the carrier capability required by the Navy.” He said the service would continue to support its development but “at the same time we will seek aircraft elsewhere which can operate on the aircraft carrier.”

Mig-29K fighters in use

The Navy currently operates Russian Mig-29K twin engine fighters from the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya. These will also fly from the first Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) Vikrant once it enters service. The Navy has procured 45 Mig-29Ks in two batches.

The Navy does not intend to procure more Mig-29s given its troubled history.

While the RFI does not specify a single or twin engine aircraft, Navy officials too had said in the past that they would need heavier and more capable aircraft for a diverse set of operations.

The RFI says the aircraft are “intended as day-and-night capable, all-weather, multi-role, deck-based combat aircraft which can be used for air defence, air-to-surface operations, Buddy refuelling, reconnaissance etc from IN aircraft carriers.”

The IAC-II which is currently at the design stage can handle twin engine, heavy aircraft, greatly extending the area of operations.

This narrows down the selection to two aircraft now available in the global market — Boeing’s F-18 Super Hornet and Dassault Rafale, 36 of which the Indian Air Force has contracted. The F-35 fifth generation aircraft of the U.S. is also an option.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/www.th...cle17105331.ece/amp/?client=ms-unknown&espv=1

Main point was that it was heavy enough to fulfill operational requirements onboard the carrier it was suppose to positioned even with the new engine. And we cant compare dual engine aircraft with a single engine one. For example Thrust of F404-GE-402 is

• 11,000 lbf (48.9 kN) military thrust
• 17,700 lbf (78.7 kN) with afterburner
• Max Take off weight Tejas is 13,500 kg

While that of each RD-33MK

11684.5 lbf dry

19841.6 lbf wet

Max Take off Weight of Mig-29 is 20,000kg

Now U can do the math as Mig-29 with twin engine easily outclass Tejas wrt say Take off operation (which mostly is with max weight and ABs).