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Indian investments in Iran and what it means for us?

Tell u what nair it will hurt u in ur butt according to wiki if u compare gwadar chabhar is become nothing most of japanese oil tankers passes from here not chabhar 2 third oil reserves in gwadar not chabhar and in mountins of balichistan there us gold and zinc and gas entire india port cant compete with gwadar let chabar in it too it connects entire world not just afghanistan
 
Chabor port will effectively eliminate the need for gwador and CPEC as goods can move a much safer Iran- Central Asia- china/Russia route instead of the incredibly unstable pakistan-Afghanistan route.
 
Now my turn,
Yes It's true Pakistan and India are two very hostile nations, put this aside.
Firstly Iranians know very well the consequences of allowing India to meddle in Balochistan through its lands, and mind you the Baloch insurgency is there in Iran too, the flame will travel both ways.
Another point is if Pakistan has close relations with KSA Iran has rights to do so with India. Lastly Iranian deal still needs US Congress approval and here's the catch the two most anti-Iran nations have the highest influence in the Congress (Israel and KSA) hence Iranian deal may not work out, even the Iranians know about this, they won't jump the gun It's not as simple as one plus one. So good luck to Iranians and most of all good luck to the region.

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Chabor port will effectively eliminate the need for gwador and CPEC as goods can move a much safer Iran- Central Asia- china/Russia route instead of the incredibly unstable pakistan-Afghanistan route.

Yes, indeed it will. Unstable my backside. Have you ever been to Pakistan? Entire NATO recieved almost 80% of it's war supplies through this route. These supplies were not "neutral" and as such were magnets to Taliban attacks. Despite this dangerous stuff like fuel and ammunition moved along this route. The CPEC will carry benign trade and will not attract TPP anger like NATO convoys did. Anyway go ahead. You talk like your the guy who is in charge of CPEC. Advise you inform the Chinese government in Beijeng. I am sure they have $46 billion planned so they have every reason to get your advice.

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If this dangerous stuff could be kept moving in war for USA/NATO CPEC will be a doddle.
 
Chahbar Port development all depends upon peace in Afghanistan which won't be an easy cup of tea. Gwader doesn't need Afghanistan at first place since it has mighty Chinese behind them and their trade will go thru Pakistan only. Even if there some kind of peace develop in Afghanistan than practically and geographically Gwader will be the shortest port for Central asian nations to access sea.

India won't gain much from Chahbar unless Iran allows them to have sort of militarily base/depots which won't be the case. Even for energy India has to rely on Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline or TAPI eventually.
 
Chahbar Port development all depends upon peace in Afghanistan which won't be an easy cup of tea. Gwader doesn't need Afghanistan at first place since it has mighty Chinese behind them and their trade will go thru Pakistan only. Even if there some kind of peace develop in Afghanistan than practically and geographically Gwader will be the shortest port for Central asian nations to access sea.


Not to mention a viable sea route which is not only shorter but a cheaper route which will vastly reduce shipping prices. But then again Chahbar is also necessary, especially for Iran and India.
 
But then again Chahbar is also necessary, especially for Iran and India.

Not for Iran else this port would had been developed by now. Its solely for Indian concerns even though heavily depended upon peace in Afghanistan.
 
Not for Iran else this port would had been developed by now. Its solely for Indian concerns even though heavily depended upon peace in Afghanistan.

But Iran needs a shorter route to export its oil and know with the increasing demand this port will be an asset for them in the near future, forget Afghanistan for now.
 
We know the following:

> India is building the Chabahar port right across the border from Pakistan and our port.

> After sanctions were lifted Iran gave India more rights to the port, calling it strategic in nature.

> India will be investing huge amounts in Iran into everything ranging from industry, factories to other things.

> India will be building railway and frieght corridors.

> India will be making roads in the eastern regions of Iran, near our border.

> Many other details are unknown.

Now many Pakistani members seem unworried. Please tell my why I should not worry?
There is nothing to worry about India-Iran partnership for Pakistan.its business between good friends.

We both want to make most out of our potentials.its a relationship between equals.

Stop looking at things from a narrow point of view.
 
But Iran needs a shorter route to export its oil and know with the increasing demand this port will be an asset for them in the near future, forget Afghanistan for now.

They already have Shahid Rajee port and others for the needful. Similarly Karachi port fulfills all the needs of Pakistan while Gwader will be for China and others. With Gwader we will be milk some easy money as its infrastructure will ran through entire country not just to one part of the land.
 
Because whether you worry or not this is something that is going to happen. India is a rising economical power and their investments&cooperation in Iran are more than welcome as Iran is also going to work to become an economical power.

If you think Iran will not allow economical cooperation with India because some neighbour does not like it then you're deluding yourself.

Chahbahar is one strategic port, one which I feel even China will at some point want to get involved in. So stop your moaning and accept reality. Pakistan should just concentrate on developing its economy. A rising Iranian economy does not have to be bad news for Pakistan, matter of fact it can be a good thing. If you keep a friendly attitude with Iran, which most Pakistanis do, then you will have a large and potential economical power to trade & cooperate with. And don't forget you need Iranian energy.


India is the highest recipient of U.S economic aid, home to more poor people than anywhere else on earth, and furthermore faces issues like corruption, rape, growing slums, growing disparity between rich and poor, and child labour. In South Asia its economy and overall human development performance is worse than a tiny Island like Sri Lanka so spare me the 'supa duper power' qualities.

Pakistan is not a perfect country either but its widely acknowledged that its people live in far better quality of life. In a recent analysis done by Bloomberg, it said Pakistan's present economic reforms are better than India's. On top of that China is investing over $46 Billion in the country's infrastructure development which will pave way to connect both countries.

Why would China want to go to Chahbahr when Pakistan shares a border with them and offered them a naval base and lease of Gwadar ? If there is any ally China has in this world and trusts the most, its us. In the past Pakistan stood by China when Mao was isolated by the world. To complement with that, we have a saying to describe our relationship, 'our relations are taller than mountains, deeper than oceans and sweeter than honey'.

So to include China in trade scenarios, its actually going to have to work the other way around. India will face competition anyways because we are in the middle and Iran will have to approach Pakistan, where Gwadar would be the starting point. Pakistan also has good relations with Arabs, which again gives China more chances and opportunities to come to us.

At some point we will get energy and there are plenty of options on the table. Gas Pipelines from Iran and Turkmenistan, LNG shipment from Qatar and Russia, Electricity transmission lines from China and Tajikistan.

It is hoped that the need to import wouldn't be necessary in the next decade as with Chinese assistance some Dams, Solar, Wind, Coal, and Nuclear projects are under construction and Pakistan being listed among top 6 countries in the world in Shale Oil and Gas reserves speaks potential of future projects taking place.
 
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Iran does not care for your issue with India. That's your problem. If you think Iran will allow your tensions with India to reduce its economical ties with India, then badly you're mistaken. This is about economy. Iran does not tell Pakistan who to have economical ties with and you should not have the audacity to tell Iran who to have such ties with. You're in no position to do such a thing.

Interesting attitude. Both Iran and Pakistan need each other, period. Not sure where these arrogant posts are being written. If Iran doesn't respect Pakistan's situation with India (doesn't mean she has to suspend trade, I am referring to the national security related stuff), then Pakistan will play the Arab card. You need to realize, you may gave Shiite supporters but you can't be effing with everyone else. I can tell you the drastic impact of sanctions as of today. So this superman attitude looks and sounds great but remember.....superman is a fiction character!! Reality is different.

Next, Pakistan needs Iran for energy for about next seven years. Then projections are, she'll be all set.
 
It means nothing if they will not use their investment like they used in afghanistan......

If they tried to use like the same then sorry to say Iran have to face consequences ....... Like Afghanistan is facing .......


Well said!
 
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