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Do visit the Chicago court of justice to get back to reality ..;)

Or wait for ISI chief to be summoned to appear as an accused in that court...

HahAH! Nice one.. Now wake up :lol:
 
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Pakistan has long back slipped into chaos and anarchy to the point of no return and the recent attacks is been to have carroed out by Dis-gruntled mid level Navy officers.
Insiders role can not be ruled out and given the fact that these momins were using state of the art night vision devices and most importantly the thick Mum of pak military on the whole issue, is not good sign for pakistan.

It is a good time to be alive to see all the drama unfolding and Jihad biting back the of the creators.

No proof has come out yet so while there can be any possibility we can only talk of what could have happened and not discuss it as what actually happened.
I have no information on mid level officers involvement or anything of this sort.

It could very well have been TTP with one or two inside servicemen, it could have been backed by RAW but from safe distance...it could have been backed by anyone else as well...

No real proof yet so let us only talk in terms of possibilities based on

1) Motives
2) Capability
3) Execution
4) Outcome

Once you look at the 4, TTP is not the only one which seems a good candidate.
And commonality of objectives leading to a temporary joint venture is also highly likely.
However i maintain, it needs a few weeks at least to come up with some real investigative report.
 
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TTP claimed the responsibility
TTP is suspected to be Indian agents since its highly manned by indian sympathic afghans leeching since the days of soviet war.

Say that to an Afghan and see what happens....maybe you can count the stars in front of your eyes:lol:
 
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No proof has come out yet so while there can be any possibility we can only talk of what could have happened and not discuss it as what actually happened.
I have no information on mid level officers involvement or anything of this sort.

It could very well have been TTP with one or two inside servicemen, it could have been backed by RAW but from safe distance...it could have been backed by anyone else as well...

No real proof yet so let us only talk in terms of possibilities based on

1) Motives
2) Capability
3) Execution
4) Outcome

Once you look at the 4, TTP is not the only one which seems a good candidate.
And commonality of objectives leading to a temporary joint venture is also highly likely.
However i maintain, it needs a few weeks at least to come up with some real investigative report.

Mia ji please refer to BBC report on this and things would get more clear.

'New kind of militant' behind Pakistan Karachi attack

The deadly 15-hour siege on Pakistan's Mehran naval airbase in Karachi on Monday was carried out by attackers with military-level training, raising suspicions they had inside help.

Questions are being asked about the security of Pakistan's vital military installations after a well-organised group of gunmen held off Pakistan's equivalent of the US Navy Seals - the Special Services Group - Navy (SSG-N) - for 15 hours.

This SSG-N is said to be the most formidable fighting force in Pakistan, but - for a few hours at least - they appeared to be at the mercy of a brazen group of fighters.

"They weren't any ordinary militants - certainly not the Taliban," said one security official, who wished to remain unnamed.

"The aim of all Taliban attacks is maximum death and destruction - these men were very focused on what they were after."

Speed and organisation
From the beginning it was clear the attackers had an intricate knowledge of the base and its vulnerable areas. They were tactically assured and the operation had clearly been long in the planning.

"They came over the wall cutting the wire on the eastern side of the base," one official told the BBC, adding that it was one of the weak points. The militants knew and exploited this - just one piece of inside knowledge they had.

"That side is just next to the runway - and the guard tower is at a distance because planes land regularly."

The first time the militants were seen was when they appeared on the runway, weapons at the ready. "The [navy] men couldn't believe their eyes," says an official.

A number of officials listed to me their observations, which reinforced the conviction that they were being confronted with a new kind of militant attack:

Military formation: One injured sailor told an official that the attackers "moved and dressed like us". The militants moved in tactical military formation and spoke in military parlance. They spoke between themselves in Urdu, as well as a foreign language.
Clothing and equipment: The militants wore combat fatigues, according to officials - and had night vision goggles, carrying rocket propelled grenades [RPGs]. "It takes months of training for ease with the goggles, and years to be expert," one official told me.
Tactics and a plan: One witness said that even though the militants had clear sight of them, "they ignored us... Instead, they just aimed RPGs at the two Orions [planes] parked on the tarmac." They were clearly under instructions to destroy military hardware. They also changed tactics easily and broke away in groups, which clearly had different aims.
Crack shots: "They were excellent shots - as good as any we have," said one security official involved in the operation. They used their night vision goggles to maximum effect, witnesses say - and that was an advantage they had until the SSG-N team arrived at the scene. When the gun battle began, one security official said, it was clear that these men could "hold their own" in a firefight. The fact that they had M16 carbines and sniper rifles also set them apart.
Officials says all of this is in strong contrast to the Taliban, who adopt an equally brutal but more chaotic mode of attack. "Their best weapon is the suicide bomber - they are notoriously poor shots," one official told me.

"They were the exception to every rule of Pakistan militant tactics."


"They were also not about killing people," one official said. "It was clear they were interested in the destruction of equipment, a much more 'military' aim."

Shock and disbelief

It was only the sheer numbers of the naval personnel that prevented further damage to the aircraft in the base, one naval spokesman said.

Even so, the ferocity, speed and organisation of the onslaught still came as a shock. The planes were in flames and a gun battle being fought within minutes.


The incident has drawn comparisons with the 2008 Mumbai (Bombay) attacks
But one of the attackers in particular caught the attention of those who were watching and bearing the brunt of the attack.

"A small young man with a light beard who later dropped his M16 for two Uzi submachine guns. He was particularly deadly - he killed one soldier with a single shot at over 600 yards."

Another clue as to the level of their training and proficiency was their ability to change tactics. One witness recounted how in the midst of the firefight the attackers appeared to change tack and back off.

They appeared to be going for the barracks housing the Chinese engineers. Another firefight broke out until another detachment of naval marines got to the Chinese barracks. The militants, when they realised what was happening, opened fire on the armoured vehicles the Chinese engineers were being taken away in.

Inside help
Everything about the attack pointed to a detailed knowledge of the barracks. After the Chinese engineers were taken away, they broke up into groups and one group took refuge in a nearby barracks.


"They used the building to maximum effect - they knew it and the surrounding area inside out," one official said.

"We later discovered plans to the whole compound on them."

The SSG-N finally got into the barracks and killed the remaining militants. The attackers had clearly come prepared for a long siege, bringing bags of dried fruit as rations.

Officials dismiss the explanation that the attack was in retaliation for Osama Bin Laden's death. "This took months of planning - the only parallel I can think of is Mumbai [Bombay]," one said.

Gunmen killed 165 people in the 2008 Mumbai attacks, and India has repeatedly accused Pakistan and its ISI intelligence agency of involvement in them.

"This maybe the first attack of its kind [in Pakistan]," the security official said. "But it's definitely not the last."
 
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Breaking news comming in SEVERAL DATA STORAGE DEVICES HAS BEEN STOLEN FROM THE BASE DURING THE ATTACK .....





















nah im just kiding ...:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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TTP claimed the responsibility
TTP is suspected to be Indian agents since its highly manned by indian sympathic afghans leeching since the days of soviet war.

ohhh mannn.. please read the history of soviet war first.. then you'll find out whether the afghans were Indian sympathetic or Pakistan sympathetic.. YOU guys considered Talibani rule in Afghanistan and now suddenly this TTP became Indian agents..?? WOW... REALLY WOW... in fact WOW again..
 
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whe rating spy agencies pak members rate RAW lowest.. when a daring successful attack on pak military establishment then its RAW!! :undecided:
 
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The Oldest Question: Who Benefits?

Who gets to benefit from this narrative?
One is India, the other, Pakistan’s ostensible ally, the United States



Submitted by Aurangzeb on May 25, 2011 – 2:46

Pakistan Naval Station Mehran saw one of the worst terror attacks in Pakistan’s history Sunday night when a group of terrorists, armed with RPGs, AK-47s, light machine-guns and hand grenades breached the security of the base and managed to target and destroy two P-3C Orion planes, each worth $36 million, upgrade costs excluded.

The planes were a dedicated target. While one has been fully destroyed, there are conflicting reports on the damage sustained by the second.

Four P-3Cs were based at PNS Mehran, which also uses the facilities of the Pakistan air force’s Faisal airbase. The aircraft is a multi-role, long-endurance machine, carrying a variety of integrated sensors and anti-surface and subsurface weapons. It is nicknamed “Airborne Destroyer”.

The attack also killed 11 navy personnel, including three civilian employees and two Rangers personnel. It took security forces over 16 hours to take control of the base. Questions abound.

Was the attack facilitated by a security lapse or was security breached? Why target the Orions? The Pakistan navy has come under attack recently; what became of the inquiries into three attacks on navy buses? Was there any intelligence on the possibility of such a strike? If not, why not? If the group of attackers crossed the nullah that flows by one side of the base, was that approach secured? How were the attackers so familiar with the terrain and layout of the base? Could there be insider-outsider collusion; or did the planners of the attack reconnoitre the area, complementing ground recce with satellite imagery from Google Earth?

The Orion, the target, is primarily a force-multiplier against the Indian Navy and while upgrades of sensors and weapons through the Anti-Surface Warfare Improvement Programme can make it useful for sustained combat air support over land — case in point their use in Afghanistan by the Royal Australian Air Force — and also for geological surveys overland, these machines were not capable of those roles.

Why would the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan choose to target the P-3Cs? Unlike in Balochistan, where there is direct evidence of India’s involvement with Baloch sub-nationalists, there is no clear evidence that India is also, directly or indirectly, supporting the TTP, but circumstantial evidence is mounting. The charge means nothing unless a clear signature is identified which is extremely difficult. But the sentiment will grow and make normalisation of Pakistan-India ties that much more difficult. It will also impact the endgame in Afghanistan.

The killing of the attackers is no success. Although they might have had an extrication plan, they had IED belts tied to them which shows they were prepared to die rather than be captured. But they achieved what they had set out to do — they inflicted the loss of planes and men; created a spectacle; and, most of all, made everyone question, yet again, the ability of the military to secure itself against brazen attacks.

This fits in with another narrative, and that seems to be a motive bigger than destroying the P-3Cs: if bases and high-value assets are not secure, is there a guarantee that an attack like this cannot be mounted on Pakistan’s nuclear assets, and successfully? That question is already reverberating through security circles. Add to this the possibility of insider-outsider collusion that can make possible the breach of even high security and the narrative sticks out like a wart on a bald head.

Who gets to benefit from this narrative? One is India, the other, Pakistan’s ostensible ally, the United States. It helps of course to point out that neither — if it is accepted that either one or both are interested in making this stick through concrete action(s) — is employing an outside force to this end. In such a scenario, one or the other or both are using the fault-lines present within Pakistan’s body politic. They are your men, the outside world will say. And, technically, the world would be right. But when states are locked in a conflictual paradigm, it helps to exploit the faultlines of one another. Hobbes continues to upstage Locke. That is the history of mankind from the Melian Dialogue on.

Pakistan’s job is therefore cut out for it. It has to develop a better-coordinated counter-terrorism strategy; improve intelligence; revamp its forces; develop speedier response mechanisms and prepare a list of all those places that have been, can and will be targeted. This requires getting into the mind of the adversary. It is not enough to say that the forces finished off the terrorists. If they cannot be denied their mission, then they have won even as the group gets killed. This is the operational side.

On the political side, the state has to dominate the narrative which it has failed to do so far. Karachi should help clarify doubts in people’s minds. That is the harder part. It is moot to ask if Pakistan is prepared for that.

The Oldest Question: Who Benefits? | PKKH.tv
 
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Seriouly, you dimwit CTs have no shame? Your country is facing such terrible catastrophes and yet you clutch at conspiracy straws? When will you wake up and realize the truth, you idiots?

Blame others for your own shortcomings. If you dont mend your ways, you wont have a country to call your own.

Shame on you. Shame on you.
 
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^^ noone knows any details about 26/11 outside India. Noone cares.

Oh really?? Even if that's true to some extent, things are going to be different soon. So better brace yourself. (I thought, I'll abstain from posting in these kind of mindless and bogus threads. But seing a think tank going at it again and again, could not restrain myself any longer)

"Headley's testimony is a nail in the coffin of U.S.-Pakistani strategic cooperation," said Bruce Riedel, a former White House adviser on Middle Eastern and South Asian issues. "Until now his commentary has gotten very little attention outside India, now it will finally get the attention it deserves here."

Read full article at: Headley alleges more Pakistan militants, ISI links

I can post numerous international sentiment on 26-11, if you want, to proove you wrong. But then why waste time and bandwidth on head struck ostriches?
 
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SO if COnspirapist theory is to be believed then It was RAW who carried out this spectacularly brave and daring attack on your well guarded millitary establishment. With star wars like fatigue and TFTA commandu precision destroying your millitary assets worth millions. Fighting with your 1500 special forces and still most of them manage to escape.

On second thought I pray to god that this be true. Makes me feel proud now.

Jai ho.
 
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Mumbai-Style Attack On PNS Mehran: Pakistani Military’s Multiple Enemies

This is not the first Mumbai-style attack in Pakistan. Pakistani military is not an easy target for bandits based on the Afghan border. The sophisticated attacks inside Pakistan after 2005 reveal formal training and superior equipment for fighting and communication. Pakistani military is under attack by several powers in the region since 2002.

AHMED QURAISHI | Monday | 23 May 2011 | Attack On Pakistan Navy
PakNationalists.com | Home Of Pakistani Nationalists Online | A Meeting Point Of Pakistani Nationalists


ISLAMABAD, Pakistan
—What happened at a Pakistan Navy aviation base in the past few hours is something that could normally result from an attack by one country on another. An enemy would have to come from across international borders to destroy P-3C Orion surveillance aircrafts parked at a high-security navy aviation base. And not any enemy would do. This enemy would have to possess quality military and intelligence skills to execute such a hit. Up to 15 terrorists can sneak into a maximum-security navy base but cannot simultaneously hold themselves up against commandos from the police, navy marines and the army while still finding time to attack and destroy two major assets in the arsenal of Pakistan Navy.

What is unfathomable is how a ragtag army of bandits, supposedly based in barren mountains on the Afghan border, could have pulled off such a feat against one of the top seven militaries of the world.

This is an impressive feat. The terrorists are still holed up inside the base at the time of writing this report [8:40 AM Monday], nearly ten hours into the attack. They have managed to target several Pakistan Navy assets, create a major hole in Pakistani war capability, shake the national morale, and give a boost to protracted propaganda in mainly US media about the security of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons and sites. Not to mention causing a loss of tens of millions of US dollars to Pakistani treasury, and much more in terms of reputation and self-confidence.

This incident is particularly damaging to the morale of the Pakistani nation, coming on the heels of a major security breach on 2 May, when an internal collusion or security compromise at some level of government was probably responsible for allowing the United States military to conduct a major operation on the outskirts of the federal capital for nearly two hours without getting caught.

The only way a group of 15 terrorists could have pulled off PNS Mehran is for them to have been top-notch commandos or trained by such commandos. Some analysts, especially in the United States, claim that terrorists on the Afghan border fighting Pakistan are well trained thanks to the training imparted by Pakistani military or intelligence to them before they rebelled post-9/11. But this does not make sense. Pakistani military trained the mujahideen in the 1980s. Most of them are old now whereas most of the terrorists gathered on the Afghan border are too young to have seen fighting in Afghanistan.

Everything about the daring attack on PNS Mehran stinks: the timing, the execution, and the target.

Mumbai-Style Attack On PNS Mehran: Pakistani Military
 
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the whole TTP is not the source of terrorism, its been said by the analysts in the media that the top brass of TTP recieves the money from the big sources and then they brain wash the lower people whose relatives are killed during the military action or drone attacks and convince them to die by killing the othe men

its not necessary to root out the entire TTP but those few leaders who are accepting money for terrorism
 
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