Indian company to drill for gas in BoB

[Nilgiri]

Seriously though, if there's so many constraints to producing power in BD, yall should just try JVs with India and setup the plants in Indian territory. I'm sure with India BD ties being so good, the Indian govt. would happily oblige.

Win win for both.

I already suggested this in a previous thread. It seems to be a pretty obvious answer for making up immediate shortfalls.

 

[bluesky]

Even after 6 posts no Bangladeshi has raised their pet issue of 'Indian company' yet....very strange!

I have personal 'reservation', if not outright objection over Indian participation in the gas deal. I understand that western oil majors already have stakes in many hundred oil/gas fields internationally, and the international fuel price at present is not promising. It dissuades them to invest in a non-chartered BoB simply because of the market glut.

India is a rising country with technology and experience its oil companies have gained in their own country. India is just beside us. This will cause them to invest less time, money and trouble when digging for gas in the BoB that benefit both the countries.

A stealing may happen when there is a common gas field in both sides of the line, and a company steals from the other side by lying on the discovery information this side. However, Maheshkhali is in the east of BoB. So, there is no scope of stealing by companies coming from the next door country. They will have to be truthful to make a project profitable for both the sides involved.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Solar I think.

1. Nuclear is good on paper but practicality is a bitch. Each and every part of Nuclear plant is contaminated and disposing it is a bitch. BTW heard that Russia won't be taking our nuclear waste though original plan was they would. Basically you need to keep them deep underground with loads and loads of salt as shield. Still no assurance it won't contaminate the areaa's ground water or anything.

each and every part of the plant is not contaminated.... if it was.... it wouldn't have been employed in large numbers... the radiation is contained within the reactors.... which is protected by the lead and concrete dome you see from outside... olden days... it was just the concrete... which is why when old plants went into a meltdown.... everyone was screwed.

i heard that too.... no but they're taking it back.... you can make weapons with those used up uranium... and that's the last thing someone wants to be responsible for....

you don't have to keep them in the ground.... you can repurpose the waste to do many things to be honest.... which we won't be doing/needing anyways.... so it's foolish to think russia won;t take them for their own purpose.

 

[Nilgiri]

you can make weapons with those used up uranium... and that's the last thing someone wants to be responsible for....

You will need a reprocessing facility for that. Also depends on the type of reactor (as to what sort of reprocessing you need).

You can't simply take old fuel and machine a bomb pit out of it....weapons grade and reactor grade are two different levels.

If its a Plutonium reactor, forget about it. After a few weeks of operation you will have much Pu-240 contamination and not Pu-239 anymore. Its not even worth reprocessing.

Vice versa can be done (use old bomb material to make new reactor feedstock with a cpl simple steps for safety).

you can repurpose the waste to do many things to be honest.... which we won't be doing/needing anyways.... so it's foolish to think russia won;t take them for their own purpose.

It depends. VVER is not a breeder reactor design so much of the waste (spent fuel) is not economically feasible to reprocess. BD hopefully has an agreement with Russia which can store such in siberian caves and things like that more easily than land BD can find.

There are also different levels of other waste...mid and low level waste that will also have to be stored.

However its overall a much misunderstood issue on the amounts concerned. Everyone thinks its many huge amounts of waste...when really its not and can be properly managed easily:

http://www.irpa.net/irpa10/cdrom/00820.pdf

 

[rome333]

Bangladesh is going to finalize a separate deal with Russia to take back used fuel. The first consinement is probably after 8-9 years of operation according to science minister. BD gonna store used fuel and after a certain period it becomes movable. So we wont be moving them a lot.

 

[Michael Corleone]

You will need a reprocessing facility for that. Also depends on the type of reactor (as to what sort of reprocessing you need).

You can't simply take old fuel and machine a bomb pit out of it....weapons grade and reactor grade are two different levels.

If its a Plutonium reactor, forget about it. After a few weeks of operation you will have much Pu-240 contamination and not Pu-239 anymore. Its not even worth reprocessing.

Vice versa can be done (use old bomb material to make new reactor feedstock with a cpl simple steps for safety).



It depends. VVER is not a breeder reactor design so much of the waste (spent fuel) is not economically feasible to reprocess. BD hopefully has an agreement with Russia which can store such in siberian caves and things like that more easily than land BD can find.

There are also different levels of other waste...mid and low level waste that will also have to be stored.

However its overall a much misunderstood issue on the amounts concerned. Everyone thinks its many huge amounts of waste...when really its not and can be properly managed easily:

http://www.irpa.net/irpa10/cdrom/00820.pdf

those things might not be possible in bd... but can you think of the possible smuggling of these materials to rogue states like north korea for example... who would do anything to get hold of these materials for one or the other purpose... worse yet.... by terrorist who might use it to build some form of crude bomb....

might not be a full on nuclear device but one that spreads radiation to get civilian population sick... it's not that hard to achieve this with waste materials like that


i don't think it's a big deal either.... not like uranium burns like coal.... xD

 

[Nilgiri]

those things might not be possible in bd... but can you think of the possible smuggling of these materials to rogue states like north korea for example... who would do anything to get hold of these materials for one or the other purpose... worse yet.... by terrorist who might use it to build some form of crude bomb....

might not be a full on nuclear device but one that spreads radiation to get civilian population sick... it's not that hard to achieve this with waste materials like that


i don't think it's a big deal either.... not like uranium burns like coal.... xD

Dude, it will be under full IAEA safeguards. There won't be any smuggling/proliferation. You don't even deal with the myanmarese giving you a rough time...you wont be breaking any IAEA safeguards for sure...given IAEA will be auditing everything....they already have all their infra in line given VVER heritage in many countries. Weapons and nuclear fuel are pretty segregated not just by IAEA but by physics and economics as well.

There isn't even going to be a reprocessing facility in BD, it will be a simple fuel in, waste out database,...difference in mass will be according to E=Mc^2 literally two columns heh.

Then you are talking about a dirty bomb, if it ever happens anywhere ...I can assure you 99% chance it will be from medical isotopes (and that would take a serious intelligence negligence given those are also safeguarded quite well in all major countries with that level of infra present). I wouldn't worry too much about it.

 

[rome333]

those things might not be possible in bd... but can you think of the possible smuggling of these materials to rogue states like north korea for example... who would do anything to get hold of these materials for one or the other purpose... worse yet.... by terrorist who might use it to build some form of crude bomb....

might not be a full on nuclear device but one that spreads radiation to get civilian population sick... it's not that hard to achieve this with waste materials like that


i don't think it's a big deal either.... not like uranium burns like coal.... xD

Your concern is 100% geniune. But I dont think BD gov would dare to do anything unauthorized specially with nuclear staff as it would seriously expose BD politically and economically worldwide. Big Guys will be very eager to make a play at BD eg. with Iraq......most probably we are gonna make a deal with India regarding our nuclear fuel management since India is going to be partnering into this.

 

[randomradio]

Seriously though, if there's so many constraints to producing power in BD, yall should just try JVs with India and setup the plants in Indian territory. I'm sure with India BD ties being so good, the Indian govt. would happily oblige.

Win win for both.

I already suggested this in a previous thread. It seems to be a pretty obvious answer for making up immediate shortfalls.

http://www.ibtimes.com/mega-deal-india-agrees-help-provide-bangladesh-more-electric-power-1559990

 

[Michael Corleone]

Dude, it will be under full IAEA safeguards. There won't be any smuggling/proliferation. You don't even deal with the myanmarese giving you a rough time...you wont be breaking any IAEA safeguards for sure...given IAEA will be auditing everything....they already have all their infra in line given VVER heritage in many countries. Weapons and nuclear fuel are pretty segregated not just by IAEA but by physics and economics as well.

There isn't even going to be a reprocessing facility in BD, it will be a simple fuel in, waste out database,...difference in mass will be according to E=Mc^2 literally two columns heh.

Then you are talking about a dirty bomb, if it ever happens anywhere ...I can assure you 99% chance it will be from medical isotopes (and that would take a serious intelligence negligence given those are also safeguarded quite well in all major countries with that level of infra present). I wouldn't worry too much about it.

oh yeah... you're right in there... maybe it's just me panicking too much... xD

Your concern is 100% geniune. But I dont think BD gov would dare to do anything unauthorized specially with nuclear staff as it would seriously expose BD politically and economically worldwide. Big Guys will be very eager to make a play at BD eg. with Iraq......most probably we are gonna make a deal with India regarding our nuclear fuel management since India is going to be partnering into this.

i heard that report.... that india wants a piece of the cake too... but then i heard russians aren't agreeing with that... and have dared to cancel management of nuclear waste management... should india get involved in running the plant.... i am not so sure if bangladesh would be willing to do that.... when they require to develop experienced workforce themselves in effectively handling nuclear related infrastructure

 

[rome333]

oh yeah... you're right in there... maybe it's just me panicking too much... xD


i heard that report.... that india wants a piece of the cake too... but then i heard russians aren't agreeing with that... and have dared to cancel management of nuclear waste management... should india get involved in running the plant.... i am not so sure if bangladesh would be willing to do that.... when they require to develop experienced workforce themselves in effectively handling nuclear related infrastructure

My friend, our govt has already approved to partner India with our NPP project. Hasina is suppossed to sign the deal in her upcoming India visit. India gonna takeover the entire operation and security of the NPP and will also supply parts for the plant under approval from Russia. Our own guys will get necessary first hand trainning. This deal will last for 15years but can be cancelled anytime if any one (among 3) party decides with a notice period of 6 months.

 

[Michael Corleone]

My friend, our govt has already approved to partner India with our NPP project. Hasina is suppossed to sign the deal in her upcoming India visit. India gonna takeover the entire operation and security of the NPP and will also supply parts for the plant under approval from Russia. Our own guys will get necessary first hand trainning. This deal will last for 15years but can be cancelled anytime if any one (among 3) party decides with a notice period of 6 months.

can you source a reputable website?
i am wondering why do we need india to operate and maintain the security of the plant operation when the russians are building it? this is extreme case of hasina wanting to blow dicks....
well atleast that clause is there.... that either of the three country can write off the deal.... i don't see it lasting long enough.... with india distancing itself from russia slowly.... but who knows.... maybe it can be some other reason.

 

[rome333]

There are a lot of sources with differing degree of details. You may look for some earlier dated news on possible trilateral MOU cobditions. Here are a few- @Mohammed Khaled
http://www.bd360news.com/2017/01/31/রাশিয়ার-সঙ্গে-যুক্ত-হচ্ছ/

http://archive.dhakatribune.com/bus...r-plant-cabinet-approves-deal-proposals-india

 

[Michael Corleone]

There are a lot of sources with differing degree of details. You may look for some earlier dated news on possible trilateral MOU cobditions. Here are a few- @Mohammed Khaled
http://www.bd360news.com/2017/01/31/রাশিয়ার-সঙ্গে-যুক্ত-হচ্ছ/

http://archive.dhakatribune.com/bus...r-plant-cabinet-approves-deal-proposals-india

it's more of a experience exchange program then letting the indians run it completely i guess... i mean who knows better than the russians about those reactors that will be installed.

 

[bluesky]

Seriously though, if there's so many constraints to producing power in BD, yall should just try JVs with India and setup the plants in Indian territory. I'm sure with India BD ties being so good, the Indian govt. would happily oblige.

Win win for both.

The last thing BD should do is to set up JV power plants in India. There is no problem in setting up power plants including the coal-fired ones inside BD except hindrance by a few delusional guys found on the BD streets as well as in this forum. Other forms cannot be built in large-scale with the little money we have. BD has a tremendous quantity of coal reserves in its NW. Its energy value is much higher than the gas reserves.