Indian army has probably forgotten the Kargil war - Pervez Musharraf

[GHALIB]

I think he vividly remembers and trying to remind you. Running a dominant media in that time does not really change the facts.
-Pakistan took control of kargil
- Indian try to push back and failed
- Indian asked Clinton’s help.
- Nawaz acted week in the knees
- Pakistan forces retreated
- India killed a retreating force that could not be killed by them headon.

Indians even failed as reported in pakistani newspapers during 1971 war .

 

[CodeforFood]

Indians even failed as reported in pakistani newspapers during 1971 war .

Only you guys can twist the facts like this. Did Pakistani media continue to say that when the war was ended?
You guys continue to claim a victory in 65, feb 27....

 

[GHALIB]

Only you guys can twist the facts like this. Did Pakistani media continue to say that when the war was ended?
You guys continue to claim a victory in 65, feb 27....

Only allah knows the truth .

 

[Jackdaws]

I think he vividly remembers and trying to remind you. Running a dominant media in that time does not really change the facts.
-Pakistan took control of kargil
- Indian try to push back and failed
- Indian asked Clinton’s help.
- Nawaz acted week in the knees
- Pakistan forces retreated
- India killed a retreating force that could not be killed by them headon.

the responsibility of Pakistan troops loss lays with Nawaz Sharif.

So the Pak Army Chief could conduct an operation without the permission of the PM. The Pak Army chief could then depose the PM and assume control of the full country in a coup. But alas, he could not stop him from going to Clinton. RIP Logic.

 

[GHALIB]

So the Pak Army Chief could conduct an operation without the permission of the PM. The Pak Army chief could then depose the PM and assume control of the full country in a coup. But alas, he could not stop him from going to Clinton. RIP Logic.

I think nawaz sharif was a strong pm.

 

[Arsalan 345]

Aggressive approach can be used for many reasons.sometimes enemy feel scared of you because of your unpredictable behavior.musharraf is a lion and India deserves more kargil but we must change our behavior.defensive policy will lead to more action by India in Kashmir.

 

[Novice09]

dude you should thank Nehru to Save your A$$ from Pakistan . Should the war had continued you would have lost very badly, by air dropping some troops you don't win wars it needs continuous supply chain to fight wars .

My belief on Gandhi and Nehru is completely different due to my upbringing in an environment where Bhagat Singh, Azaad and Bose were praised...
Moto of life... VEER BHOGE VASUNDHARA...

In how many wars... you guys have beaten INDIA very badly... None...
Results speaks volumes...

So the Pak Army Chief could conduct an operation without the permission of the PM. The Pak Army chief could then depose the PM and assume control of the full country in a coup. But alas, he could not stop him from going to Clinton. RIP Logic.

Just an excuse... as usual...

 

[VCheng]

the responsibility of Pakistan troops loss lays with Nawaz Sharif.

Incorrect. The responsibility for those dead lies on the person who planned the whole operation and executed it in a dubiously extra-Constitutional manner without thinking about the inevitable political fallout in the international community. There is far more to war than just shooting bullets, please never forget that.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Evidence ? Lol. I would provide you evidence if it was a claim. It's not a claim, it's history. Read any resource using Google, you seem literate enough.

Sure it is. You are the one making the claim, so post the links to ANY credible evidence here.................saying something is true because you are adamant it is a fact means NOTHING.......

 

[Jungibaaz]

The real damage to Pakistan by the General's rogue actions lies not just in the ignoble defeat. It also lies in the reinforcement of the impression of Pakistan as a lawless country with nuclear weapons in the hands of a military that acts extra-Constitutionally in defiance of all norms, a fact that the enemies continue to exploit to great effect.

Exactly, and I would add to that, even if these enemies are set aside for a moment. Enemies who we chose to engage in this instance that is.

The damage done to the state and its institutions in this routine usurpation is a massive contributor to a lot of the problems we see today. Even if this smug fool didn’t start a conflict, he still caused us damage with his treason and usurpation of a civilian government, although the latter mightn’t have happened without the former.

 

[VCheng]

Exactly, and I would add to that, even if these enemies are set aside for a moment. Enemies who we chose to engage in this instance that is.

The damage done to the state and its institutions in this routine usurpation is a massive contributor to a lot of the problems we see today. Even if this smug fool didn’t start a conflict, he still caused us damage with his treason and usurpation of a civilian government, although the latter mightn’t have happened without the former.

And yet he still has his supporters trying to justify his crimes and of the military leadership that carries on the same attitudes and policies, which shows poorly the mindset and direction of the nation. (And this forum, I might add, no offence intended or implied.)

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Indians even failed as reported in pakistani newspapers during 1971 war .

Can you post a link to the evidence which supports or proves that claim?

 

[Jungibaaz]

And yet he still has his supporters trying to justify his crimes and of the military leadership that carries on the same attitudes and policies, which shows poorly the mindset and direction of the nation. (And this forum, I might add, no offence intended or implied.)

I fully agree. But I would add that I don’t think it is any worse in this forum than elsewhere in Pakistani society, to his own credit Musharraf has successfully pushed propaganda to make it seem as if Kargil was some military triumph for us. Some example of us outclassing Indians etc.

The only instances in which musharraf or his supporters concede from this false pride, they do so by blaming Nawaz Sharif or the US. I think this view is actually far more prevalent in our people in general, at least a sizeable portion of this forum are enlightened to see beyond the thin layer of propaganda masking the real horror of the Kargil disaster.

 

[bafxet]

Well done Mr. ex thoku of endia [emoji38]

He instantly losses temper and goes into their throat....poor Endians[emoji41]

 

[GHALIB]

He instantly losses temper and goes into their throat....poor Endians[emoji41]

He wins Kashmir.