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if they passed the weather test then most likely the crashed is not due to the weather most likely cause should be human error or engine mulfuction , why blamed the weather?

Because as a Person who has served in those areas , I know the Weather conditions Like the palm of my hand... And Next, a Helicopter as Was said by me a few posts back is not fool proof nor is there any machine in the world, There are instances where the Wind Resource assesment team from Siemens returned back empty hand feeling sorry for having not been able to calculate and assess the average wind speed and Hub Height to set up masts.... It is such cruel in those areas, a sudden change in the weather and no machine is a gods gift to handle sudden extremes...
 
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if they passed the weather test then most likely the crashed is not due to the weather most likely cause should be human error or engine mulfuction , why blamed the weather?

Firstly both the crashes took place in different regions. One was to the east of Bhutan & the other to the west.

Next, the crash today has taken place in an area ( watershed) of the Himalayas where the weather changes so rapidly that any amount of met reports cannot accurately forecast the weather. within the valleys the area gets fogged out and sharp gusts of wind above them toss the machines .

Having spent served there one knows how dicey it is to fly- it takes guts & expertise.

Lastly, being a military forum one expects and give respect to the dead who die in the lne of duty for their countries - irrespective of the color of uniform worn.
 
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Rest in Peace and may God bless the brave souls and their family during this time and always.
 
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Press Information Bureau English Releases

The Government has appointed a Committee of Inquiry headed by Air Marshal (Retd.) P.P. Rajkumar to Inquire into the circumstances of accident of Pawan Hans helicopter at Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh on April 19, 2011. The Committee comprises following members:

(i) Air Commodore (Retd.) Rai Krishan – Member

(ii) Wing Commander (Retd.) Rabinder Singh - Member

Shri M.J. Singh, Deputy Director of Air Safety has also been appointed as Secretary to the Committee. The Committee will also take assistance of other experts/ agencies whenever required. The Headquarter of the Committee will be at New Delhi. The Committee will complete its inquiry and submit its report to the Central Government within three months.

Meanwhile, Pawan Hans Helicopters Limited has announced an interim compensation of Rs.1 lakh for the deceased and Rs.50, 000 for the injured. Final compensation shall however, be determined as per law.

The Ministry of Civil Aviation has also advised DGCA to immediately take following actions with a view to ensure safety of helicopter operations in the country:-

(i) To launch a reassurance drive in order to ensure that all helicopters are being operated and maintained in accordance with the approved procedures and with safety aspect in place.

(ii) DGCA shall ensure that examiners of Helicopters will conduct special checks of the line pilots under overall supervision of DGCA in a time bound manner.

(iii) To undertake immediate assessment of helipads particularly in critical areas where helicopter operations are undertaken in a drive mode.

(iv) DGCA to ensure implementation of monitoring/ review of safety regulations to be implemented by State Governments.

(v) To make an external assessment of overall safety standards of helicopter operations in respect of operators involved in operation in critical areas.

Accordingly DGCA has initiated actions on the above mentioned aspects.

It may be noted that a Pawan Hans helicopter, MI-172 VT-PHF, on a flight from Guwahati in Assam to Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh met with an accident while landing at Tawang. The helicopter was under the Command of Capt Varun Gupta and the crew members included Capt. A.K. Tiwari, Co – Pilot, Shri P.K. Chaturvedi, Flight Engineer, Shri S. V. Kulkarani, AME and Shri A. Dixit, Flight Attendant. There were 18 passengers on board. The number of fatalities is 17 including, three crew–members and injuries to six other persons including two crew members.

Ministry of Civil Aviation directed DGCA and CMD, Pawan Hans Helicopters Limited to rush to the accident site along with their team to supervise rescue and relief operations. The team has undertaken a visit of the accident site. DGCA was advised to appoint an Inspector of Accident immediately. Accordingly, Shri Sanit Kumar, RCAS, Kolkata was appointed as Inspector of Accident.

Subsequently, keeping in view the circumstances of the sad and tragic accident and fatalities involved, the Ministry of Civil Aviation has found it expedient to institute a Committee of Inquiry under Rule 74 of Aircraft Rules, 1937 to investigate and determine the cause and contributory factors leading to the accident and make recommendations to avoid recurrence of such accidents in future.
 
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the chopper must be on a spying mission and shot down by chinese air patrol
That's correct. The crash was in "northern Sikkim" (India's euphemism for "a part of China we want to start claiming next").

It looks like they crossed into Chinese airspace trying to check out Chinese army presence in chicken-neck area. PLA shot them down -- great!

PS: don't worry too much about Tangxiliang... that guy goes around pretending to be a super-mod telling people what posts are okay and not okay on this forum... as you can see the real mods gave him a vacation
 
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That's correct. The crash was in "northern Sikkim" (India's euphemism for "a part of China we want to start claiming next").

It looks like they crossed into Chinese airspace trying to check out Chinese army presence in chicken-neck area. PLA shot them down -- great!

PS: don't worry too much about Tangxiliang... that guy goes around pretending to be a super-mod telling people what posts are okay and not okay on this forum... as you can see the real mods gave him a vacation
your a bigger idoit than i expected.
When on a recon air patrol, you don't take troops with you. You don't us a helecopter either. You have the choice of Mirage Awacs ELINIT pending on your choice but a military "transport" aircraft is not really the machine you want to use for spying. The wanted to spy they could have directed on of their satalites as well.
 
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your a bigger idoit than i expected.
When on a recon air patrol, you don't take troops with you. You don't us a helecopter either. You have the choice of Mirage Awacs ELINIT pending on your choice but a military "transport" aircraft is not really the machine you want to use for spying. The wanted to spy they could have directed on of their satalites as well.

warning you are trying to speak sense with hongwu:disagree::disagree: all your efforts would be wasted :agree::agree:
 
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That's correct. The crash was in "northern Sikkim" (India's euphemism for "a part of China we want to start claiming next").

It looks like they crossed into Chinese airspace trying to check out Chinese army presence in chicken-neck area. PLA shot them down -- great!

PS: don't worry too much about Tangxiliang... that guy goes around pretending to be a super-mod telling people what posts are okay and not okay on this forum... as you can see the real mods gave him a vacation
Sir,what position in PLA do
You have to assure another
that PLA shot it down?
 
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your a bigger idoit than i expected.
When on a recon air patrol, you don't take troops with you. You don't us a helecopter either. You have the choice of Mirage Awacs ELINIT pending on your choice but a military "transport" aircraft is not really the machine you want to use for spying. The wanted to spy they could have directed on of their satalites as well.
Okay so it's just a coincidence that a military helicopter flying close to the Sino-Indian border in a conflict hotspot (Siliguri gorge) crashed. You concluded based on nothing that it wasn't shot down by China.

Look I have no proof it was definitely shot down. I'm just saying it's suspicious.
 
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That's correct. The crash was in "northern Sikkim" (India's euphemism for "a part of China we want to start claiming next").

It looks like they crossed into Chinese airspace trying to check out Chinese army presence in chicken-neck area. PLA shot them down -- great!

PS: don't worry too much about Tangxiliang... that guy goes around pretending to be a super-mod telling people what posts are okay and not okay on this forum... as you can see the real mods gave him a vacation

oh!yea so you mean anything goes down near chinese border means it was shot down by PLA ?? Give me a break ,if tommrow you died in USA or India Means IA OR USA Marines Shot ya a** in daylight ????
 
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