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India’s air force just started a $19.5 billion fighter program — sort of
By: Vivek Raghuvanshi   11 hours ago

Analysts: India won't ink a single-engine fighter deal before 2019
"There isn't now even the slightest IAF interest in the F-16 Block 70 or any other variant" for the single-engine fighter program, even as the Air Force has decided to hold flight tests of Lockheed's aircraft and Sweden's Gripen-E, the two under consideration.

By: Vivek Raghuvanshi
“So far, this entire process of selection of fighters has been very haphazard and lacking any systematic plan of the service,” an MoD official noted.

Former MoD financial advisor Amit Cowshish added the the “RFI is meant only to obtain all manner of information from the prospective suppliers so as to make out a firm procurement proposal based on the feedback. It entails no commitment from the ministry’s side even to issue the tender, much less sign a contract.”

“The IAF has issued an RFI for 110 fighters without mentioning the requirement of single engine/twin engine mainly to widen competition amongst various fighter manufacturers,” a defense official said. “The main emphasis of this RFI is on transfer of technology and performance based logistics.”

“The ToT requirement is very exhaustive and also includes ToT of avionics, electronic warfare systems including missile approach warner, active electronically scanned array radar, engine and also for setting up the manufacturing unit in India,” retired IAF air marshal and defense analyst Daljit Singh said. “It is indeed a tall order for the OEM to provide so much of ToT.”

“The extent of ToT sought through the new RFI is completely unrealistic,” said Vijainder K Thakur, a retired IAF squadron leader and defense analyst. “The OEM will demand a lot of money for the ToT pushing up unit costs to unrealistic levels, limiting our ability to buy more.”

Singh noted that the Indian defense industry has a long way to go before it can start building its own planes. The service wants new fighters to have multiple mission capabilities, including air-to-air combat, striking ground targets, reconnaissance, electronic warfare and air-to-air refuelling — not to mention all weather capabilities.

In mid-2007, the IAF also launched a similar $12 billion medium, multi-role combat aircraft, or MMRCA, program that was scrapped 10 years later without citing any reason.

“This RFI is a repeat of the previous MMRCA program and it can only be done though the joint venture approach as a lot of hand holding would be needed by foreign OEM,” an industry source said. “However, it is also important for MoD to give private sector a thrust in terms of awarding programs.”

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“This RFI seems to be [looking for] a real-time super technology demonstrator rather than proven operational fighter,” an industry insider added. “It will be impossible for any foreign OEM to meet all tasks and this program has no merit unless IAF comes out with a well-defined tender for fighters in future.“

https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...tarted-a-195-billion-fighter-program-sort-of/
 
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In mid-2007, the IAF also launched a similar $12 billion medium, multi-role combat aircraft, or MMRCA, program that was scrapped 10 years later without citing any reason.

“This RFI is a repeat of the previous MMRCA program

This time too it can scrape citing some excuses .:rofl::rofl::rofl: :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
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“This RFI seems to be [looking for] a real-time super technology demonstrator rather than proven operational fighter,” an industry insider added. “It will be impossible for any foreign OEM to meet all tasks and this program has no merit unless IAF comes out with a well-defined tender for fighters in future.“

Lol

They just float the headlines world's biggest order type..
But there is no substance.
Last time it was 126 but they bought only 36.
India lacks money.
Look at the IAF allocated funds.
Before Ulu banaoing Indians, now ulu banaoing duniya.
 
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"There isn't now even the slightest IAF interest in the F-16 Block 70 or any other variant" for the single-engine fighter program, even as the Air Force has decided to hold flight tests of Lockheed's aircraft and Sweden's Gripen-E, the two under consideration.

Yes, the chances of the F-16 and Gripen making the cut is close to zero.

“The ToT requirement is very exhaustive and also includes ToT of avionics, electronic warfare systems including missile approach warner, active electronically scanned array radar, engine and also for setting up the manufacturing unit in India,” retired IAF air marshal and defense analyst Daljit Singh said. “It is indeed a tall order for the OEM to provide so much of ToT.”

“The extent of ToT sought through the new RFI is completely unrealistic,” said Vijainder K Thakur, a retired IAF squadron leader and defense analyst. “The OEM will demand a lot of money for the ToT pushing up unit costs to unrealistic levels, limiting our ability to buy more.”

The RFI has not talked about percentages of ToT involved. The actual ToT on the ground will be realistic enough for the OEM to give it away and allow Indian companies to manufacture the aircraft.

“This RFI is a repeat of the previous MMRCA program and it can only be done though the joint venture approach as a lot of hand holding would be needed by foreign OEM,” an industry source said. “However, it is also important for MoD to give private sector a thrust in terms of awarding programs.”

Yup. Like DRAL.

“This RFI seems to be [looking for] a real-time super technology demonstrator rather than proven operational fighter,” an industry insider added. “It will be impossible for any foreign OEM to meet all tasks and this program has no merit unless IAF comes out with a well-defined tender for fighters in future.“

Super TD? Nope. It's what the Rafale already is.

You don't need to go out on a limb to say the IAF is looking for a Rafale-equivalent or better.
 
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India’s air force just started a $19.5 billion fighter program — sort of
By: Vivek Raghuvanshi   11 hours ago

Analysts: India won't ink a single-engine fighter deal before 2019
"There isn't now even the slightest IAF interest in the F-16 Block 70 or any other variant" for the single-engine fighter program, even as the Air Force has decided to hold flight tests of Lockheed's aircraft and Sweden's Gripen-E, the two under consideration.

By: Vivek Raghuvanshi
“So far, this entire process of selection of fighters has been very haphazard and lacking any systematic plan of the service,” an MoD official noted.

Former MoD financial advisor Amit Cowshish added the the “RFI is meant only to obtain all manner of information from the prospective suppliers so as to make out a firm procurement proposal based on the feedback. It entails no commitment from the ministry’s side even to issue the tender, much less sign a contract.”

“The IAF has issued an RFI for 110 fighters without mentioning the requirement of single engine/twin engine mainly to widen competition amongst various fighter manufacturers,” a defense official said. “The main emphasis of this RFI is on transfer of technology and performance based logistics.”

“The ToT requirement is very exhaustive and also includes ToT of avionics, electronic warfare systems including missile approach warner, active electronically scanned array radar, engine and also for setting up the manufacturing unit in India,” retired IAF air marshal and defense analyst Daljit Singh said. “It is indeed a tall order for the OEM to provide so much of ToT.”

“The extent of ToT sought through the new RFI is completely unrealistic,” said Vijainder K Thakur, a retired IAF squadron leader and defense analyst. “The OEM will demand a lot of money for the ToT pushing up unit costs to unrealistic levels, limiting our ability to buy more.”

Singh noted that the Indian defense industry has a long way to go before it can start building its own planes. The service wants new fighters to have multiple mission capabilities, including air-to-air combat, striking ground targets, reconnaissance, electronic warfare and air-to-air refuelling — not to mention all weather capabilities.

In mid-2007, the IAF also launched a similar $12 billion medium, multi-role combat aircraft, or MMRCA, program that was scrapped 10 years later without citing any reason.

“This RFI is a repeat of the previous MMRCA program and it can only be done though the joint venture approach as a lot of hand holding would be needed by foreign OEM,” an industry source said. “However, it is also important for MoD to give private sector a thrust in terms of awarding programs.”

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“This RFI seems to be [looking for] a real-time super technology demonstrator rather than proven operational fighter,” an industry insider added. “It will be impossible for any foreign OEM to meet all tasks and this program has no merit unless IAF comes out with a well-defined tender for fighters in future.“

https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...tarted-a-195-billion-fighter-program-sort-of/
Make up your mind.....you're an air force....even Donald Trump comes up with better decisions...
 
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This tender will be eventually scraped once IAF's top brass receive their share of kickbacks
 
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If the current government wanted to get Rafales, then they would have continued with the MMRCA project, and ordered 100+ Rafales, all but the initial Made in India.
Dassault may have difficulty to accept non-French weapons on the Rafale.
If they wanted the F-16, then why wait with a decision until 2021?
The fan boys declaring the F-16 victory a year ago, maybe should keep a low profile right now.
The IAF/IN experience with Russian service levels makes the MiG-35 unlikely.
IAF might want the Rafale, given the choices in the tender, but it is the Indian Government that makes the decision, and the Indian Government might want a more cost effective solution.
Given the parameters, this opens up an opportunity for the Super Hornat Block III, which has the advantage that it will work on Indias new carrier (with difficulty) allowing IAF and IN to have the same airplane. Also tighter relations with the U.S. The U.S. requirement that India signs certain agreements might terminate that option. Refusal to provide source code, same effect.
Main competitor will be Gripen E, which seems to be what the IAF considers to be next best after Rafale. There are several things on the wishlist like fast take off, Wide Area Display etc., which can be used to show that others does not meet the requirements.
Whatever the Indian Government thinks today, may be irrelevant, if another party wins next elections.
 
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If the current government wanted to get Rafales, then they would have continued with the MMRCA project, and ordered 100+ Rafales, all but the initial Made in India.
Dassault may have difficulty to accept non-French weapons on the Rafale.
If they wanted the F-16, then why wait with a decision until 2021?
The fan boys declaring the F-16 victory a year ago, maybe should keep a low profile right now.
The IAF/IN experience with Russian service levels makes the MiG-35 unlikely.
IAF might want the Rafale, given the choices in the tender, but it is the Indian Government that makes the decision, and the Indian Government might want a more cost effective solution.
Given the parameters, this opens up an opportunity for the Super Hornat Block III, which has the advantage that it will work on Indias new carrier (with difficulty) allowing IAF and IN to have the same airplane. Also tighter relations with the U.S. The U.S. requirement that India signs certain agreements might terminate that option. Refusal to provide source code, same effect.
Main competitor will be Gripen E, which seems to be what the IAF considers to be next best after Rafale. There are several things on the wishlist like fast take off, Wide Area Display etc., which can be used to show that others does not meet the requirements.
Whatever the Indian Government thinks today, may be irrelevant, if another party wins next elections.
It shows that they're very much afraid of the failed state to the left especially when they order third hand F-16s from countries like Jordan......
 
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If the current government wanted to get Rafales, then they would have continued with the MMRCA project, and ordered 100+ Rafales, all but the initial Made in India.
Dassault may have difficulty to accept non-French weapons on the Rafale.
If they wanted the F-16, then why wait with a decision until 2021?
The fan boys declaring the F-16 victory a year ago, maybe should keep a low profile right now.
The IAF/IN experience with Russian service levels makes the MiG-35 unlikely.
IAF might want the Rafale, given the choices in the tender, but it is the Indian Government that makes the decision, and the Indian Government might want a more cost effective solution.
Given the parameters, this opens up an opportunity for the Super Hornat Block III, which has the advantage that it will work on Indias new carrier (with difficulty) allowing IAF and IN to have the same airplane. Also tighter relations with the U.S. The U.S. requirement that India signs certain agreements might terminate that option. Refusal to provide source code, same effect.
Main competitor will be Gripen E, which seems to be what the IAF considers to be next best after Rafale. There are several things on the wishlist like fast take off, Wide Area Display etc., which can be used to show that others does not meet the requirements.
Whatever the Indian Government thinks today, may be irrelevant, if another party wins next elections.
You can't provide TOT, looks carefully at the terms. Many of Gripen E's parts are not produced by Sweden.
 
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