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@Parul @Levina @Abingdonboy

Some update on "supercop" SP of Punjab police who along with his driver escaped from terrorists

Earlier on Wednesday, further leads into the investigation of the Pathankot terror attack raised suspicions over Gurdaspur Superintendent of Police (SP) Salwinder Singh having alleged links with the terrorists who attacked Pathankot.

While Singh has maintained that he has been a regular to the Panj Pir Dargah, shrine keeper Som has claimed that he had never seen him before at the place.

In a startling revelation, Som claimed that Singh made a phone call to him at around 8:30 pm on December 31 to keep the shrine open as he would be visiting. When he resisted claiming that it was already late and it was time to close the shrine, the SP allegedly forced and ordered Som to keep it open.

He also added that the SP's friend jeweller friend Rajesh Verma visited the shrine twice on the same day. He had never been to the shrine earlier, Som claimed.

As per sources, Singh is likely to be taken into custody. The SP might have played a crucial role in the Pathankot attacks as it is believed that he could have also provided logistical support to the terrorists.

There is suspicion over his late night visit to the Panj Pir dargah as there was already a terror alert in the area and the SP went unarmed to such an isolated area.

ANI ‏@ANI_news 8h8 hours ago
SP Salvinder Singh came at 9 pm that day,I had never seen him before-Somnath,Dargah Priest #Pathankot

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ANI ‏@ANI_news 8h8 hours ago
NIA team takes SP Salwinder Singh to the spot where he was allegedly abducted. #PathankotAttack

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NIA team takes SP Salwinder Singh to the spot where he was allegedly abducted. #PathankotAttack


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ANI ‏@ANI_news 9h9 hours ago
NIA team takes SP Salwinder Singh to the spot where he was allegedly abducted. #PathankotAttack


A theory

Logistical Support = Yes possible.. He may have shown them the tunnel, may have done routine recon also..

HOw he came in contact with terrorists = This guy can surely have "good" relations on the drug peddlers who are always crossing borders for their "routine business" (which actually is a massive operations running in 2 nations!!)
A chance for more fat pay, anyway knowing these terrorists would be killed so no one to raise finger on him.

Where he failed = Heroism in front of media, the camera bytes and 5 secs of fame especially the fact he said they were armed and fully face covered and spoke in Urdu which he did not understand but straight forward knew they were terrorists.
His Driver getting throat slit, hands tied, acted dead for 7-8 minutes, blood still flowing from the slit (albeit gently), used presence of mind, untied himself, ran to safer place.
The biggest blunder, for police people catching a terrorists, blowing lid of terror plot, etc gives clear cut media accolades, bravery award, medals, promotions and respect. Now what he and his driver explained that Punjab police did not even trust him one bit?
The biggest blunder he did was his interview with NDTV... Just for giving that interview in which he was in Suit boot not in inform, without due permission from authorities for acting as a spokesperson, describing everything as a first person account, all that seems to go against him and his "acting" skills..
I am sure many may say prosecute him and Burkha Dutt/NDTV together !!!

Epic fail i think..

& finally the good news

Pathankot attack: Combing operations at Indian Air Force base end after 100 hour
 
NSG Use for the Protection For State Assets Basically Its Civilian Agency.its main aim for Internal civilian Anti terror Op Like i Mentioned Above
Counter terrorism, special weapons and tactics, protection of VIP,aircraft hijack,
Protection of international or domestic VIP, protection of significant state assets.

Its Never Happened in the Past that NSG is called for Protection of Military Installations.Its Comes under Military Authority
Para commandos are Used in J&K and other state For Protection of Army Bases.For Example Garud commados are Already placed in Pathankot.The Para SF were Already Protecting Strategic assets of base Its More than Enough to Counter Threats

Why Need of NSG Required
What exactly is a "civilian Anti terror op?" Bad guys with guns are bad guys with guns no matter what the arbitary status you apply to the location they attack (military or civilian). The NSG knows better than almost any other force in India how to kill bad guys with guns- especially terrorists.

The entire conversation involving the NSG vs Army SF in this whole affair is highly perplexing to me, it seems typical of Indian response- snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory and looking for people to blame. The fact is the NSG were already on the ground during the attack so there is no way anyone can be using the excuse that the Army SF should have been used as they were closer and would have cut out delays- this seems to be what some idiots are trying to omit in their conjecture.

Second, point to me where the Army SF scores above the NSG for this mission- training? Equipment? tactics?

Is the NSG simply there for show? They are sat year round with their equipment stowed and ready to respond at a moment's notice when called upon.

There simply is no better Counter Terror unit in India than the NSG, the quick response by those with vested interests (all Army) to challenge the employment of this force is more than a little unpalatable to me. The IA's leadership really is this regressive, out of touch and self-interested isn't it? No wonder they remain the most backwards of all the services.

@PARIKRAMA @Levina

Contradiction of verdicts is already discussed as well as mentioned by @MaarKhoor in detail above. Rest about Whys, the more Whys should have been asked to the Indian Officials so the picture would have been more clearer. Does attacks ever stopped the investors in Pakistan or we can say how stopping the investors would benefit a terrorist. Rest about links to the Kashmir, its Indian Occupied Kashmir and Azad Kashmir. Pakistan never said Pakistan Kashmir it is always mentioned Azad Kashmir and Indian Occupied Kashmir. Exactly it was claimed by UJC but still dragging Pakistan into it despite the UJC claim is a big WHY should have been asked to Indian Government. SP informed superiors but was told to go home and come office tomorrow. read the thread posts carefully so you will find news about all then you are most welcome.
@waz sir, can we please have a ban given to those unilaterally declaring this as a false flag operation with no proof. It is despicable and an insult to those security personel who have died protecting serving their nation and fighting the same enemy as the Pakistani military.

I don't think such unsubstantiated conjecture would be tolerated had this been a Pakistani military asset.




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What exactly is a "civilian Anti terror op?" Bad guys with guns are bad guys with guns no matter what the arbitary status you apply to the location they attack (military or civilian). The NSG knows better than almost any other force in India how to kill bad guys with guns- especially terrorists.

The entire conversation involving the NSG vs Army SF in this whole affair is highly perplexing to me, it seems typical of Indian response- snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory and looking for people to blame. The fact is the NSG were already on the ground during the attack so there is no way anyone can be using the excuse that the Army SF should have been used as they were closer and would have cut out delays- this seems to be what some idiots are trying to omit in their conjecture.

Second, point to me where the Army SF scores above the NSG for this mission- training? Equipment? tactics?

Is the NSG simply there for show? They are sat year round with their equipment stowed and ready to respond at a moment's notice when called upon.

There simply is no better Counter Terror unit in India than the NSG, the quick response by those with vested interests (all Army) to challenge the employment of this force is more than a little unpalatable to me. The IA's leadership really is this regressive, out of touch and self-interested isn't it? No wonder they remain the most backwards of all the services.

@PARIKRAMA @Levina
You wrong here Sir
Para SF is most elite unit in entire Armed forces when you have to do terror OP

Expert in special operations, direct action, hostage rescue,counter-terrorism, unconventional warfare,special reconnaissance, foreign internal defense, counter-proliferation, counter-insurgency, seek and destroy and personnel recovery.

Para SF is very elite in range of training ,equipment and resources and administration. That's why Maroon beret are considered elite force around the world armed forces


NSG basically constitute of a Civilian police forces at administration level
And trained by retired army personal

Para (Special Forces) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


PS: Let tell you PARA SF was there in pathankot during attack and was protecting strategic asset's of Airbase
But never used in combat Op by operational commander
 
You wrong here Sir
Para SF is most elite unit in entire Armed forces when you have to do terror OP

Expert in special operations, direct action, hostage rescue,counter-terrorism, unconventional warfare,special reconnaissance, foreign internal defense, counter-proliferation, counter-insurgency, seek and destroy and personnel recovery.

Para SF is very elite in range of training ,equipment and resources and administration. That's why Maroon beret are considered elite force around the world armed forces


NSG basically constitute of a Civilian police forces at administration level
And trained by retired army personal

Para (Special Forces) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


PS: Let tell you PARA SF was there in pathankot during attack and was protecting strategic asset's of Airbase
But never used in combat Op by operational commander
No.

I'm not going to question the PARA (SF)'s abilities- that is not the point. But consider their role, it is not CT-centric, they are a military SF with far more to their remit.


The pint that the NSG being a civilian police force is both irrelevent and misleading. So what if they operationally are a civilian force? Domestic CT missions to be undertaken by civilian forces is the norm around the world in democracies. Secondly the SAG (the actual guys who take part in these ops) are 100% made up of Army guys. Anyway, I am yet to see the correlation between being a civlian force (operationally) and being unsuited for these missions.


The NSG's entire mandate is direct action CT- this is what they train for every single day and what all their equipment is bought for, you yourself point out the IA's SF have a far larger mandate. There is a reason the US Army and Navy raised dedicated CT teams from within their own SOF communities (Delta and DEVGRU respectively).
 
Six alarming questions about the attack on Indian air base
Manoj Joshi
Filed on January 6, 2016 | Last updated on January 6, 2016 at 07.41 am
The handling of the incident has been flawed, if not downright shoddy.

Some things about the attack on the Pathankot IAF base are obvious. First, something is seriously wrong with our border management in the area. Despite the fencing and presumably heavy patrolling, Pakistani militants seem to get through with surprising ease. This is the fifth attack in the area since September 2013, which follows a near identical pattern. A small group of militants, dressed in army fatigues, crosses the international border in Jammu & Kashmir which runs roughly parallel to National Highway 1A in a south-easterly direction from Jammu to Kathua and then loops south at the Ravi river to Pathankot and Gurdaspur. After crossing the border they hike - and in this case, they apparently summoned a taxi and later hijacked an official vehicle - to get to the highway which is some 10-15 kms away and head for a target, usually a police station, an army camp and in Pathankot, the airbase.

This is heavily serrated riverine terrain which is not easy to police, but surely by now India should have gotten its act together. It is not clear whether the Border Security Force has thermal imagers in the area; they do have low light TV surveillance equipment, but it is often unserviceable.

Second, the attack is almost certainly instigated by non state actors. Five or six armed men cannot simply walk through the heavy defences in an area which formed part of a major military thrust by India in the 1971 war.

The third issue is the poor quality of the policing in Punjab. Despite the July 2015 attack on the Dinanagar police station, very near to the point where Punjab Police SP Salwinder Singh was abducted, the police response was worse than flat-footed. They took anywhere between 12-14 hours to come to the conclusion that their SP's account of his abduction meant that a serious national security emergency was on hand.

Whatever scattered accounts of the incident we have been getting indicates that its handling, too, has been flawed, if not downright shoddy.

Government officials themselves admit that they had enough advance information of a possible attack. Punjab police chief Suresh Arora acknowledged that the presence of the militants had been confirmed by Friday And thereafter 168 NSG commandos led by Maj-Gen Dushyant Singh had been flown in from New Delhi.

There were also reports that two columns of the Army, roughly 260 men, had also been sent in along with the Punjab Police SWAT team. Yet, even after 35 hours, at the time of writing, the militants have not been eliminated. It is not enough to say that they have been isolated or contained or whatever, because according to the report, they also had mortars which can easily cause mayhem in a half-kilometre range.

There are many unanswered questions here.

First, why did the terrorists let the SP off, considering he was a senior police officer?

Second, why were the security forces unable to locate the militants in the 20 hours or so they became aware of their presence?

Third, despite prior intelligence and the presence of the NSG, Air Force commandos, aerial surveillance using thermal imaging, how were the militants able to actually breach the base perimeter defences? Had they already breached the perimeter and were hiding out till they launched their attack on Saturday morning ? Is the perimeter fencing and surveillance upto the mark in the first place.

Fourth, why were lower end forces like the Defence Security Corps (DSC), who are mostly retired service personnel, allowed to come in the way of danger when it was clear by Friday evening that highly trained militants were targeting the base which had already received high quality forces like the NSG? According to reports, five of the seven security personnel killed were from the DSC.

Fifth, despite a series of attacks across the international border in this area, why are the security forces unable to effectively seal the border? True, the terrain is a problem, but surely by now, enough technological solutions like motion sensors, thermal imagers and low light TV are available to deal with the problem.

Sixth, did the NSG follow the standard protocol in recovering the body of the militants? I ask this because booby-trapping bodies is standard terrorist tradecraft in such cases and special equipment is supposed to be used to ensure that the body is not wired. Was the NSG sent minus their sophisticated bomb defusing robot ? This may have led to the tragic loss of Lt Col Niranjan.

There are several other issues that will need to be worked out in the coming days. For example, the issue of the number of the militants. If Salwinder Singh's account is accurate, there were four. Then from where did the two additional militants who were discovered on Sunday come from? Is there another group hanging around somewhere, or was their local connivance?

In sum and substance, the Pathankot incident means that some extremist elements are keeping options open when it comes to the efforts being made by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and his Indian counterpart Narendra Modi to normalise relations between the two countries. This too ought to have been expected. Every time efforts are made for normalisation, there is a push-back by forces opposed to it. In that sense, this is an old story in the India-Pakistan relationship.

There is a carefully thought through strategy in the attacks on military or police camps in the border areas of J&K and Punjab. After all, the militants could easily hit civilian targets like bazaars, schools, railway and bus stations, but they don't. The goal of the attacks is to keep the Jammu & Kashmir pot simmering, without letting it boil over.

The attack suggests that some elements are out to sabotage the latest Modi-Sharif initiative to de-freeze relations. It would be foolish to play into their hands and stop the process of normalisation. On the other hand, sustained engagement is the only way to neutralise them. That said, there is need on the Indian side for the country to get its defensive act in order. The manner in which the Pathankot attack was handled leaves a lot of unanswered questions about the ability of the security forces - the police, the BSF and the military - to anticipate challenges and react to them swiftly and decisively.

The writer is a Distinguished Fellow, Observer Research Foundation, New Delhi.

Thewire.in
Six alarming questions about the attack on Indian air base - Khaleej Times
 
This what I was trying to tell you guys yeatsrday..

@Levina
@Abingdonboy
This is the view of Army officals- most of them retired (so actually have no relevent information to base their assertions on), the facts tell a different story:


"A well-coordinated effort by all security agencies including the Army, NSG, local police and Indian Air Force (IAF) succeeded in neutralising the terrorists," the IAF said.

Indian Air Force Says Pathankot Operations Well-Coordinated



"There was NSG, Air force, Garud commandos. Application of NSG was a joint decision taken at an appropriate level which included service chiefs," said Lieutenant General Kamaljit Singh, GoC-in-C, army's Western Command, told a media briefing in Chandi Mandir.

Deployment Of National Security Guard 'Joint' Decision, Says Army Official


Isn't it funny that those other articles criticising any such operational decsions are citing "unamed sources"- well this is a serving General going on the record and setting the record straight.
 
No.

I'm not going to question the PARA (SF)'s abilities- that is not the point. But consider their role, it is not CT-centric, they are a military SF with far more to their remit.


The pint that the NSG being a civilian police force is both irrelevent and misleading. So what if they operationally are a civilian force? Domestic CT missions to be undertaken by civilian forces is the norm around the world in democracies. Secondly the SAG (the actual guys who take part in these ops) are 100% made up of Army guys. Anyway, I am yet to see the correlation between being a civlian force (operationally) and being unsuited for these missions.


The NSG's entire mandate is direct action CT- this is what they train for every single day and what all their equipment is bought for, you yourself point out the IA's SF have a far larger mandate. There is a reason the US Army and Navy raised dedicated CT teams from within their own SOF communities (Delta and DEVGRU respectively).


Sir pardon me, I am sure this is not the effect of the latest toys n gears of NSG only :-)
but i have my points to disagree with you, i really want this discourse Army vs nsg shuld be put to rest, these things need to be investigated but we can expect a push among GOI for an unified SF command to avoid this kind of debate in future.

I am not in accord with your point that NSG is the sole and most elite CT force across the country and ur "military SF having their larger mandate" concept.

Whenever their is a CT-CI ops we always forget the terrain and type of CT ops. NSG( talking abt only the SAG part) was made in the wake of operation bluestar for the sole purpose of hostage rescue, with in a closed perimeter which can have a CT procedure. The locations can be Temples, Hotels, Buildings, Govt offices, aircraft, airport or any closed industrial area. Moreover the hostage situation could be by any one like some underworld gang member, some anti social nuts or even naxals but not only the Islamist/Pakistani/Khalistani terrorist. So NSG was formed to neutralize a specific target against a specific one with in a small diameter kind of a point defense. So it's definitely not a good SOP to employ 120 of them for an(1900 acres 28 km perimeter mostly woods) Area defense. On the top of that they need to airlift from manesar, new Delhi bcoz it is the nearest NSG center to pathankot. Despite the fact that there r many army formations from western, northern and south western command has been in there, couple of hrs drive from pathankot.

it is true that most of the army SF across the world have been mandated for larger spectrum of role like action behind enemy line, psychology, foreign language , training to the local militia etc..But except US,UK and some NATO ally, for all other SF around the world CT-CI ops has became now one of the sole area of operation. So now they r all trained themselves to be proper paratroopers and CT-CI professionals first. So they including India can be count as a good CT force,

In case of India i would say RR is the sole, dedicated CT force across the nation
, Bcoz their genesis had been only to counter Insurgency in Kashmir and North-East, to fight Islamic/pakistani terrorist in the valley and they did a extraordinary job to annihilate militancy in the valley.

In my analogy taking the present role,experience, deployment history ,success rate and inhospitable terrain in to account, Army's PARA with the support of RR(for combing and outer perimeter security) is the best combination for any kind of CT-CI ops.

Sir, to my memory there was an posted article in SPECIAL FORCES section about the Martyr Cap. Goswami of 9th Para , and over there it had clearly mentioned how the boys from that batln was completely aware of the grenade booby trap, that the pigs when shot usually hide a grenade beneath their body for maximum damage to the counterpart. To my surprise lt.col Niranjan lost his life to this kind of trap( it is not confirmed but there are enough rumor to take it as a case study). It could be an example of operational differences.

But in the end Army has been officially discarded all these competitive theory like NSG vs PARA sf. So both side let be happy :-). some of the imp pnts ( like hostage rescue ) why NSG had been deployed in the below link.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-pathankot-terror-attack-army-rubbishes-criticism-over-deployment-of-nsg-2163048

But there is always a other side of a coin :(
http://idrw.org/deploying-nsg-instead-of-army-was-a-mistake-experts/.
 
Why India's response to Pathankot attack was 'a debacle'

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India's National Security Guard headed the counter-strike operation at Pathankot
Indian forces have been searching the base for remnants of the group that attacked it

It took Indian authorities four days to put down a deadly attack on the Pathankot air force base near the Pakistani border which killed seven Indian soldiers and wounded another 22. The inept handling of the security operation can only be described as a debacle, writes defence analyst Rahul Bedi.

According to official accounts, the National Security Adviser Ajit Doval had advance intelligence of the planned attack on 1 January.

But military analysts said India's response to the attack was amateurish - there were inadequate offensive measures and the multiplicity of forces involved and a lack of suitable equipment rendered the entire operation a near fiasco.

When the attack began, Mr Doval chose to airlift some 150 National Security Guard (NSG) personnel from their base at Manesar, on Delhi's outskirts, to fight in an unfamiliar terrain.

The operational command for the mission was handed over to the NSG, the Defence Service Corps (DSC) and the air force's Garud Special Forces.

The DSC comprises retired and unmotivated military personnel, whilst the Garuds continue to struggle for operational relevance amongst the plethora of India's burgeoning Special Forces.

In what appeared to be an obvious desire to control the operation, Mr Doval ignored the presence of some 50,000 army troops in the Pathankot region, possibly the highest such concentration in the country.

Reports said he requested the army chief for just two columns - 50-60 troops - to provide back-up support to the operation.

The army, say security officials, is experienced in battling Kashmiri insurgents.

The NSG, for its part, was unacquainted with the terrain and took avoidable losses that included Lieutenant-Colonel Niranjan Kumar being killed in a grenade explosion from a booby trapped militant's body.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar admitted that there were "some gaps in the operations"

Four other NSG personnel were injured in this blast that - in all probability - would not have fooled the army, familiar with such militant ploys of activating a grenade and lying on it as a last offensive act. The NSG is also strapped for equipment - it has no competent night vision devices and other material necessary for an operation of the kind in Pathankot - military sources said.

Throughout the four days the operation lasted, the army was accorded a marginal role - although some 200 soldiers were eventually deployed when fighting stretched beyond 48 hours and after senior ministers - including Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Home Minister Rajnath Singh and Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar - had announced that the operation had been completed successfully.

The congratulatory messages followed the gunning down of four terrorists, but thereafter firing began afresh, and confusion prevailed over how many gunmen were hiding in the tall grass surrounding the air base, spread over some 1,200 hectares.

Sporadic gunfire, interspersed with grenade explosions, could be heard from inside the base until late on Monday night, security sources said, but they seemed unsure of the ground situation prevailing inside.

"Operations to eliminate the militants are in the final stages," deputy NSG commandant Major-General Dushyant Singh said on Monday afternoon.

On Tuesday, Defence Minister Parrikar told a press conference that "six militants have been neutralised" but added that sanitising the complex is likely to take a long time.

"I see some gaps in the operations, but I don't think we compromised on security," he said.

Analysts said the operational blunders committed by Indian security forces during the November 2008 militant attack on Mumbai, in which 166 people died, were mindlessly repeated in Pathankot due to a lack of well defined procedures.

Initially in Mumbai, the local police force was deployed against the 10 gunmen.

They were later replaced by the Indian Navy's Marine Commandoes (MARCOS) Special Forces.

The Pathankot air force base extends over about 1,200 hectares

Army commandos then swapped roles with the MARCOS at the three attack venues in Mumbai - two hotels and a Jewish cultural center. The army was eventually substituted by the NSG, which took nearly 12 hours to reach Mumbai.

"The assortment of security agencies involved in the Pathankot operation, without a single, effective point of control, adversely [affected] the outcome," military analyst retired Maj-Gen Sheru Thapliyal said.

"Four days to neutralise no more than five or six militants is unacceptable in a confined open space where there is little or no scope of any civilian collateral damage," he added.

It appears the one upside of the entire operation was that the security forces were able to prevent the militants from sabotaging any air force "assets" - like Mig-21 fighters and attack helicopters.

Why India's response to Pathankot attack was 'a debacle' - BBC News
 
Sir pardon me, I am sure this is not the effect of the latest toys n gears of NSG only :-)
but i have my points to disagree with you, i really want this discourse Army vs nsg shuld be put to rest, these things need to be investigated but we can expect a push among GOI for an unified SF command to avoid this kind of debate in future.

I am not in accord with your point that NSG is the sole and most elite CT force across the country and ur "military SF having their larger mandate" concept.

Whenever their is a CT-CI ops we always forget the terrain and type of CT ops. NSG( talking abt only the SAG part) was made in the wake of operation bluestar for the sole purpose of hostage rescue, with in a closed perimeter which can have a CT procedure. The locations can be Temples, Hotels, Buildings, Govt offices, aircraft, airport or any closed industrial area. Moreover the hostage situation could be by any one like some underworld gang member, some anti social nuts or even naxals but not only the Islamist/Pakistani/Khalistani terrorist. So NSG was formed to neutralize a specific target against a specific one with in a small diameter kind of a point defense. So it's definitely not a good SOP to employ 120 of them for an(1900 acres 28 km perimeter mostly woods) Area defense. On the top of that they need to airlift from manesar, new Delhi bcoz it is the nearest NSG center to pathankot. Despite the fact that there r many army formations from western, northern and south western command has been in there, couple of hrs drive from pathankot.

it is true that most of the army SF across the world have been mandated for larger spectrum of role like action behind enemy line, psychology, foreign language , training to the local militia etc..But except US,UK and some NATO ally, for all other SF around the world CT-CI ops has became now one of the sole area of operation. So now they r all trained themselves to be proper paratroopers and CT-CI professionals first. So they including India can be count as a good CT force,

In case of India i would say RR is the sole, dedicated CT force across the nation
, Bcoz their genesis had been only to counter Insurgency in Kashmir and North-East, to fight Islamic/pakistani terrorist in the valley and they did a extraordinary job to annihilate militancy in the valley.

In my analogy taking the present role,experience, deployment history ,success rate and inhospitable terrain in to account, Army's PARA with the support of RR(for combing and outer perimeter security) is the best combination for any kind of CT-CI ops.

Sir, to my memory there was an posted article in SPECIAL FORCES section about the Martyr Cap. Goswami of 9th Para , and over there it had clearly mentioned how the boys from that batln was completely aware of the grenade booby trap, that the pigs when shot usually hide a grenade beneath their body for maximum damage to the counterpart. To my surprise lt.col Niranjan lost his life to this kind of trap( it is not confirmed but there are enough rumor to take it as a case study). It could be an example of operational differences.

But in the end Army has been officially discarded all these competitive theory like NSG vs PARA sf. So both side let be happy :-). some of the imp pnts ( like hostage rescue ) why NSG had been deployed in the below link.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-pathankot-terror-attack-army-rubbishes-criticism-over-deployment-of-nsg-2163048

But there is always a other side of a coin :(
http://idrw.org/deploying-nsg-instead-of-army-was-a-mistake-experts/.
I appreciate your response, you make many well argued points. The most pertinent I think is for the need of a unified special operations command- this has been on the table for years now and is still awaiting MoD/GoI clearance, i don't understand what they are waiting for on this one. Many of the so-called command issues would have been addressed by the existence of such a command. However, the command issues seem to have been entirely overstated, the Defence Minister stated that the NSG force commander had complete control of the operation (this is a practice established for the NSG's operations) and he alone had the authority to declare the operation over.


Going to the point about the NSG's utilisation in this operation. I see a lot of theoritcal discussions about sup-optimal utilisation, past precedents and such but no actual specifics- where exactly are the NSG lacking to have been able to conduct this operation? Training? Equipment? Is there actually any evidence to suggest these operations were hampered because of the NSG or rather not utililising the Army SF? The only people representing this view are FORMER army officers who have served but are out of touch and most were not SF officers anyway. The natural hubris of these infantry officers who beleive the army/infantryman can do anything needs to be discounted. I keep hearing that there are 50,000 soldiers deployed nearby but how many are actually trained for counter terrorism or equipped to do so? Perhaps a few hundred (Ghataks and SF units).



Sir, to my memory there was an posted article in SPECIAL FORCES section about the Martyr Cap. Goswami of 9th Para , and over there it had clearly mentioned how the boys from that batln was completely aware of the grenade booby trap, that the pigs when shot usually hide a grenade beneath their body for maximum damage to the counterpart. To my surprise lt.col Niranjan lost his life to this kind of trap( it is not confirmed but there are enough rumor to take it as a case study). It could be an example of operational differences.

The NSG is home to the sole composite bomb centre in India- the National Bomb Data Centre (NBDC)- their database encapsulates all bombs found in India in the past few decades and tracks their devlopment and thus counters for the Indian CT forces. The NSG's BDS is thus arguably the most credible EOD unit in India. I will wait for more understanding into exactly how the late Lt.Col lost his life, booby trapped bodies is not something the NSG hasn't trained for and he would have been aware of this threat, let's understand the exact circumstances around the incident before passing judgment.
 
Terrorists could not have entered Pathankot Air Force base without any inside help, say sources


Pathankot:
The attack on the Pathankot Air Force base was planned as a much bigger strike than the 26/11 Mumbai terror assault. After the armed forces successfully neutralised the six terrorists, questions are now being raised as to how the terrorists entered the Airbase.

Sources said that it would have been impossible for the terrorists to enter the Airbase without any inside help. Questions are also being raised on how the terrorists managed to hide inside the Airbase for 12 hours.

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Sources said that the National Security Advisor has called an emergency meeting after intercepting calls between the terrorists and their handlers.
#pathankot #pathankot terror attack #terror attack
Sources said that the National Security Advisor has called an emergency meeting after intercepting calls between the terrorists and their handlers. During the meeting, the NSA decided to move nine columns of Army and the National Security Guard to the Air Base.

It is also learnt that five out of the six jawans, who were martyred in the attack, were unarmed and that Lt Colonel Niranjan's death was an accident.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar has lauded the Defence forces and said that they fought with all their might against the terrorists

"We have to be very proud not because we lost seven jawans, but full unit fought with such a intensity without losing a direct operational loss containing fidayeen terrorist keeping them within 100 metre. Best could have, we blocked them at Border itself but somehow they manage enter but when it came to fight, we fought," said Parrikar.


Combing operations in the Airbase were officially over after over 100 hours, the Western Command said.

Citing difficulty in the operations, Lieutenant General KJ Singh said that the area of operation was very difficult. We had to avoid a hostage situation.

Terrorists could not have entered Pathankot Air Force base without any inside help, say sources - IBNLive
 
I think Indians are suffering from acute superiority complex which if you study psychology is the later stage of inferiority complex. After making bolly wood movies like TIGER and saif ali khan adventures the world was seeing the whole episode with mockery and disgust. The Indian dfence might and the Mighty Ajit Duval were at their best..........by the way some body out of Indians should tell that little bugger to keep quiet.

The other side of the coin says that Indian security establishment is much bigger and more funds hungry then their counterpart side.... Indian Army and RAW would be badly hurt finance wise if Indo pak friendship flourishes, therefore these attacks bore all the hall marks of a local false flag operation.....till now the identities of attackers have not been released....what if they are suppressed Sikhs or oppressed Local Kashmiris.:sniper:
 
I think Indians are suffering from acute superiority complex which if you study psychology is the later stage of inferiority complex. After making bolly wood movies like TIGER and saif ali khan adventures the world was seeing the whole episode with mockery and disgust. The Indian dfence might and the Mighty Ajit Duval were at their best..........by the way some body out of Indians should tell that little bugger to keep quiet.

The other side of the coin says that Indian security establishment is much bigger and more funds hungry then their counterpart side.... Indian Army and RAW would be badly hurt finance wise if Indo pak friendship flourishes, therefore these attacks bore all the hall marks of a local false flag operation.....till now the identities of attackers have not been released....what if they are suppressed Sikhs or oppressed Local Kashmiris.:sniper:

What can we expect from a guy who belong to a country where history books are filled with distroated accounts "of the past :hitwall:
Inferiority complex my foot. Atleast our forces performed better than PNS Mehran. Period. :coffee:
 
Actually not performed but still performing.......infact your media is crying that this was the worst handling of a operation ever mounted.....more over international media is also all praises of Indian security forces:bunny:
 
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