India would not survive : Ms Roy

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Hindutva is nothing but nationalism of those of the South Asian racial stock


Those who are descendants of Indo-Greeks,Indo-Scythians,Hepthalites,Indo-Parthians ,Kushanas,Indo-Sassanids champion Indus Nationalism

Those who are descendants of Mauryas,Sungas,Bimbisaras,Ajatasatrus,Satavahans,Rashtrakutas,Sikhs,Cholas,Cheras,Pandyas,Gajapatis,Marathas ,Rajputs,Dogras,Gurjara Pratiharas,Palas,Sens,Vijaynagaris,Lalitadityas are the inheritors of Hindutva/Hindu nationalism


Victory to the Eternal Mother Goddess

 

[Baz]

1000 Years ?

When did these 1000 start & finish please ?

When Mohammad Bin Qasim conquered india in 712 until the end of mughal empire. now go and wash your face

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Muslims never tried to finish off Hindutva.. We were tolerant during our 1000 years of rule on you!

Hindu resistance started from the South and Assam till it swept across all of India...you guys barely control 20-25 percent of what Aurangzeb achieved ...if that is not the triumph of Hindutva then what is? And can you please cite the name of a Punjabi Muslim emperor or a Gilgiti Muslim emperor or a Hindko Muslim emperor or a Sindhi Muslim emperor ?

The only native Muslim dynasties were the Soomra Rajputs of Sindh

What happened to the Mughals and the Nawabs and the Khiljis and the Timurids? The Marathas are still here,the Ahoms are still here ..the Rajputs are still here

Hindutva had the last laugh by securing 80 percent of the subcontinent for the natives




Wasn't Raja Dahir the first Indus Nationalist?

Were not the Hindu Shahis the greatest of Indus Nationalists ?

Weren't the Gakkhar tribesmen that killed Ghori the most ferocious of Indus Nationalists?


Only the most ignorant ones diss their own nationalist forefathers

 

[Areesh]

For Example Pakistan and which is the other one?

I think you never heard about Indonesia, Malaysia, Albania etc etc

As said. People left caste discrimination for something far better. Stop being salty about it

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

What happened to the Mughals and the Nawabs and the Khiljis and the Timurids?

Lol the Khiljis are there. They are many so have Khilji as thier surname. Same is the case with Mughals. Baigs are Timurids too. Many Urdu Speaking/Muhajirs in Pakistan are descendants of the Muslim emperors

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Lol the Khiljis are there. They are many who have Khilji as thier surname. Same is the case with Mughals. Baigs are mughals too

They donot have any control of the government of Pakistan

The type of nationalism that led to the creation of India and Pakistan were very new types of nationalism, ground up nationalism

A Muslim aritrocrat with a 1000 matchlock wielding horsemen in the 16th century would NOT identify himself with a Muslim landless Muslim peasant ....the Muslim aristocracy of the subcontinent was a completely closed affair open to only Afghan,Turkic,Central Asian nomads ,Persian merchants, may be some Arab scholars...this Muslim aristocracy would rather have cultural exchanges to those Hindus who they saw as their equal like the Rajputs and some Brahmins and Pandits , rather than some completely indigenous Muslim from say Jharkhand.....

The world changed with the advent of modernism ...you cannot anymore stop an upstart from claiming power through your aristrocrat Central Asian blood

 

[POTTER]

Hindu resistance started from the South and Assam till it swept across all of India...you guys barely control 20-25 percent of what Aurangzeb achieved ...if that is not the triumph of Hindutva then what is? And can you please cite the name of a Punjabi Muslim emperor or a Gilgiti Muslim emperor or a Hindko Muslim emperor or a Sindhi Muslim emperor ?

The only native Muslim dynasties were the Soomra Rajputs of Sindh

What happened to the Mughals and the Nawabs and the Khiljis and the Timurids? The Marathas are still here,the Ahoms are still here ..the Rajputs are still here

Hindutva had the last laugh by securing 80 percent of the subcontinent for the natives




Wasn't Raja Dahir the first Indus Nationalist?

Were not the Hindu Shahis the greatest of Indus Nationalists ?

Weren't the Gakkhar tribesmen that killed Ghori the most ferocious of Indus Nationalists?


Only the most ignorant ones diss their own nationalist forefathers

We mainly feels proud on being Muslim and being not indian.
So Raja dahir is a villain and MBQ is a hero for us because he was Muslim. Can't you understand???

Hindutva is nothing but nationalism of those of the South Asian racial stock


Those who are descendants of Indo-Greeks,Indo-Scythians,Hepthalites,Indo-Parthians ,Kushanas,Indo-Sassanids champion Indus Nationalism

Those who are descendants of Mauryas,Sungas,Bimbisaras,Ajatasatrus,Satavahans,Rashtrakutas,Sikhs,Cholas,Cheras,Pandyas,Gajapatis,Marathas ,Rajputs,Dogras,Gurjara Pratiharas,Palas,Sens,Vijaynagaris,Lalitadityas are the inheritors of Hindutva/Hindu nationalism


Victory to the Eternal Mother Goddess

This is good.
Lekin 40 % population kayb saath indo- na he lagao. Even south Punjab and westren Punjabis kay saath bhi kamm he indo- ka lafz lagao.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

We mainly feels proud on being Muslim and being not indian.
So Raja dahir is a villain and MBQ is a hero for us because he was Muslim. Can't you understand???


This is good.
Lekin 40 % population kayb saath indo- na he lagao. Even south Punjab and westren Punjabis kay saath bhi kamm he indo- ka lafz lagao.

Just replace Indo with Eastern and you will get the same historical ,geographical context ...its not my fault that esteemed historians gave that nomenclature

 

[SecularNationalist]

Since 1990s almost all serious cross border militant activity leading to substantial loss to life and property in India can be traced back to Pak. Indians rightly believe this threat has to be contained. FATF is one of the avenues. If Pak stops creating issues in Kashmir I doubt Indians would even care Pak existed.

I don’t really care about 2 nation theory. I am too young for having any specific attachment to it. Anyway Pak is not the only country formed based on Islam. Muslims it seems when in majority in a region have tendencies for separatism.

Where ever our national interests are be it Kashmir ,Punjabi khalistani Sikhs i.e khalistan movement and Afghanistan we would definitely interfere and would love to cause you some serious pain. Does not how young you are two nation theory apply to all of us because you cannot enslave Muslims and Muslims cannot be enslaved.
No muslims have a tendency to fight back and get a separate nation for themselves whenever extremist RSS and hindutva rats like you started to have wet dreams.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

*Who does India really belong to?*

*(History of India) =*
*Worth reading till the End.*

From Ghauri Empire to Narendra Modi

Ghori Kingdom

1 = 1193 Mohammad Ghori
2 = 1206 Qutbuddin Aibak
3 = 1210 rest Shah
4 = 1211
5 = 1236 Rakinuddin Feroz Shah
6 = 1236 Raza Sultan
7 = 1240 Mozaddin Bahram Shah
8 = 1242 Al-Din Masood Shah
9 = 1246 Nasiruddin Mahmud
10 = 1266 Ghiyasuddin Balbin
11 = 1286..........
12 = 1287 kabaddan of the mosque
13 = 1290 Shamsuddin Kamers
The end of the Great Empire
(Away from government -97 years approx.)

* Empire of the Empire *

1 = 1290 Jalaluddin Feroz Khilji
2 = 1292 Divine religion
4 = 1316 Shahabuddin Omar Shah
5 = 1316 Qutbuddin Mubarak Shah
6 = 1320 Nasiruddin Khusro Shah
End of the Khalji Empire
(Away government-30 years approx)

* Tughlak Empire *

1 = 1320 Ghiyasuddin Tughlaq (First)
2 = 1325 Mohammad ibn Tughlaq (II)
3 = 1351 Feroz Shah Tughlaq
4 = 1388 Ghiyasuddin Tughlaq (II)
5 = 1389 Abu Bakar Shah
6 = 1389 Mohammad Tughlaq (Som)
7 = 1394.......... (I)
8 = 1394 Nasiruddin Shah (II)
9 = 1395 Nusrat Shah
10 = 1399 Nasiruddin Mohammad Shah (II)
11 = 1413 Govt
The end of Tughlaq empire
(Away from government -94 years approx.)

* Saeed Dynasty *

1 = 1414 palm khan
2 = 1421 Muizuddin Mubarak Shah (II)
3 = 1434 Muhammad Shah (IV)
4 = 1445 Allah Alam Shah
The end of the Sa'id kingdom
(Away government-37 years approx)

Lodhi Empire

1 = 1451 Bahlol Lodhi
2 = 1489 Lodhi (II)
3 = 1517 Abraham Lodhi
End of the Lodhi Empire
(Away government-75 years approx)

Mughal Empire

1 = 1526 Zahiruddin Babar
2 = 1530 Humayun
End of the Mughal Empire

The Surian Empire

1 = 1539 Sher Shah Suri
2 = 1545 Islam Shah Suri
3 = 1552 Mahmud Shah Suri
4 = 1553 Abraham Suri
5 = 1554 Pervaiz Shah Suri
6 = 1554 Mubarak Khan Suri
The end of the Surrian Empire
(Away government-16 years approx)

Mughal Empire again

1 = 1555 Humayun (again )
2 = 1556 Jalaluddin Akbar
3 = 1605 Jahangir Slam
4 = 1628 Shah Jahan
5 = 1659 Aurangzeb
6 = 1707 Shah Alam (First)
7 = 1712 Bahadur Shah
8 = 1713 Farquharshire
9 = 1719 Riphad Rajat
10 = 1719...............
11 = 1719...............
12 = 1719 Mahmud Shah
13 = 1748 Ahmed Shah
14 = 1754...................
15 = 1759 Shah Alam
16 = 1806 Akbar Shah
17 = 1837 Brave King Zafar
End of the Mughal Empire
(Away from government-315 years approx.)

* British Raj *

1 = 1858 Lord King
2 = 1862 Lord James Bruce Elgin
3 = 1864 Lord J. Laurence
4 = 1869 Lord Richard Mayo
5 = 1872 Lord Northabk
6 = 1876 Lord Edward Latin
7 = 1880 Lord George Ripon
8 = 1884 Lord Dufferin
9 = 1888 Lord Haney Lesdon
10 = 1894 Lord Victor Bruce Elgin
11 = 1899 Lord George Corjean
12 = 1905 Lord Gilbert Minto
13 = 1910 Lord Charles Hardge
14 = 1916 from Lord Frederick to the Exchequer
15 = 1921 Lord Rux Ajac Ridig
16 = 1926 Lord Edward Irwin
17 = 1931 Lord Ferman Weldon
18 = 1936 Lord Alejandra Linlithgow
19 = 1943 Lord Archibald Wheel
20 = 1947 Lord Mount Baton

End of British Imperialism

India, Prime Minister

1 = 1947 Jawaharlal Nehru
2 = 1964 Golzari Red Nanda
3 = 1964 Lal Bahadur Shastri
4 = 1966 Golzari Red Nanda
5 = 1966 Indira Gandhi
6 = 1977 Morarji Desai
7 = 1979 Charan Singh
8 = 1980 Indira Gandhi
9 = 1984 Rajiv Gandhi
10 = 1989 Viswanath Returns
11 = 1990 Chandrasekhar
12 = 1991 P.V. Narasima Rao
13 = 1992 Atal Bihari Vajpayee
14 = 1996 Chadde Gowda
15 = 1997 I.K. Gujral
16 = 1998 Atal Bihari Vajpayee
17 = 2004 Manmohan Singh
18 = 2014 Narendra Modi

Despite being a Muslim kingdom for 1000 yrs plus Hindus remain in India. The Muslim rulers never treated them unfairly

And ....

The Hindus have not even been 100 years till now and they talk about abolishing the Muslims!!

Is this a joke? The British themselves admitted that their empire in India became the empire of India in 1818 after defeating the Marathas...you conveniently forgot the Hindu empires that ruled vast swathes of the subcontinent..and only focussed around Delhi...and even Delhi was not won till 1192 CE...ever wondered what happened between 712 CE and 1192 CE?

A whole 480 years of valiant defiance against relentless enemies.

The Turks have forgotten their Heavenly Wolves

The Persians have forgotten to tend to their Heavenly Fire

The Hindus still do Fire sacrifice to their Heavenly Gods..even in 18th century Ancient Vedic Horse ritual and the concurrent military expeditions were carried out by the Rajputs


We we were here since Dholavira and Lothal...praying to the same Gods, and we will be here long after the ones who attacked us are gone


The only Muslim empire that truly wanted all India domination was the Mughals and that too under Akbar and Aurangzeb ..Akbar included the Hindu Rajputs as his fighting arm and became a Muslim apostate...Aurangzeb drove his fundamentalism and paid dearly for it, his empire collapsed in front of him...Hindu Marathas taking everything from him


What I see is hardfought Muslim gains but no domination

and in the end they lost 80 percent of the gain with Hindus having access to the most fertile plains.....Foreign Muslim invaders lost...it is Hindus and indigenous Muslim converts who won

 

[xyx007]

Is this a joke? The British themselves admitted that their empire in India became the empire of India in 1818 after defeating the Marathas...you conveniently forgot the Hindu empires that ruled vast swathes of the subcontinent..and only focussed around Delhi...and even Delhi was not won till 1192 CE...ever wondered what happened between 712 CE and 1192 CE?

A whole 480 years of valiant defiance against relentless enemies.

The Turks have forgotten their Heavenly Wolves

The Persians have forgotten to tend to their Heavenly Fire

The Hindus still do Fire sacrifice to their Heavenly Gods..even in 18th century Ancient Vedic Horse ritual and the concurrent military expeditions were carried out by the Rajputs


We we were here since Dholavira and Lothal...praying to the same Gods, and we will be here long after the ones who attacked us are gone




The only Muslim empire that truly wanted all India domination was the Mughals and that too under Akbar and Aurangzeb ..Akbar included the Hindu Rajputs as his fighting arm and became a Muslim apostate...Aurangzeb drove his fundamentalism and paid dearly for it, his empire collapsed in front of him...Hindu Marathas taking everything from him


What I see is hardfought Muslim gains but no domination

and in the end they lost 80 percent of the gain with Hindus having access to the most fertile plains.....Foreign Muslim invaders lost...it is Hindus and indigenous Muslim converts who won

Is this a joke? The British themselves admitted that their empire in India became the empire of India in 1818 after defeating the Marathas...you conveniently forgot the Hindu empires that ruled vast swathes of the subcontinent..and only focussed around Delhi...and even Delhi was not won till 1192 CE...ever wondered what happened between 712 CE and 1192 CE?

A whole 480 years of valiant defiance against relentless enemies.

The Turks have forgotten their Heavenly Wolves

The Persians have forgotten to tend to their Heavenly Fire

The Hindus still do Fire sacrifice to their Heavenly Gods..even in 18th century Ancient Vedic Horse ritual and the concurrent military expeditions were carried out by the Rajputs


We we were here since Dholavira and Lothal...praying to the same Gods, and we will be here long after the ones who attacked us are gone


The only Muslim empire that truly wanted all India domination was the Mughals and that too under Akbar and Aurangzeb ..Akbar included the Hindu Rajputs as his fighting arm and became a Muslim apostate...Aurangzeb drove his fundamentalism and paid dearly for it, his empire collapsed in front of him...Hindu Marathas taking everything from him


What I see is hardfought Muslim gains but no domination

and in the end they lost 80 percent of the gain with Hindus having access to the most fertile plains.....Foreign Muslim invaders lost...it is Hindus and indigenous Muslim converts who won

Frankly speaking, it is a fact, these days some Hindutva forces are trying to distort history. There is a large amount of saffronization going on.
Better to check this wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests_in_the_Indian_subcontinent . Hindus never rule over India as one the unit, only Ashoka rule was in history but he was Buddist.

Now let's look at history :

The first Muslim who established an empire in India was Mohammad bin qasim he conquered India in 712 AD and added India into the Arab caliphate.

the areas conquered by him .

it was followed by the rule of md ghazni , md ghori , delhi sultanate and the Mughul empire was the last Muslim empire to rule India

They ruled till 1857 AD that means Muslims ruled India for 1145 years a fact which many Hindu fanatics find it difficult to digest.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Frankly speaking, it is a fact, these days some Hindutva forces are trying to distort history. There is a large amount of saffronization going on.
Better to check this wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests_in_the_Indian_subcontinent . Hindus never rule over India as one the unit, only Ashoka rule was in history but he was Buddist.

Now let's look at history :

The first Muslim who established an empire in India was Mohammad bin qasim he conquered India in 712 AD and added India into the Arab caliphate.

the areas conquered by him .

it was followed by the rule of md ghazni , md ghori , delhi sultanate and the Mughul empire was the last Muslim empire to rule India

They ruled till 1857 AD that means Muslims ruled India for 1145 years a fact which many Hindu fanatics find it difficult to digest.

1857 was only Delhi...The Marathas conquered Delhi in 1730s itself and made Mughals their puppet. Mughal Empire reached its maximum extent only in the last 25 years of Aurangzeb's reign...

Raja Dahir was the first Indus nationalist

Punjab came under Islamic rule only with Ghaznavi...Hindu Shahis and Kashmiri kings had held over Punjab alternately from 700s right up until 1000s

The video I provided gives a better sense of the dynamic and ever changing borders of various empires and kingdoms in the Indian subcontinent

 

[xyx007]

1857 was only Delhi...The Marathas conquered Delhi in 1730s itself and made Mughals their puppet. Mughal Empire reached its maximum extent only in the last 25 years of Aurangzeb's reign...

Raja Dahir was the first Indus nationalist

Punjab came under Islamic rule only with Ghaznavi...Hindu Shahis and Kashmiri kings had held over Punjab alternately from 700s right up until 1000s

The video I provided gives a better sense of the dynamic and ever changing borders of various empires and kingdoms in the Indian subcontinent

are you forgetting something here the Third Battle of Panipat fought on January 14, 1761 between the Marathas and Ahmad Shah Abdali and his allies were one of the biggest and most significant battles of the 18th century in India. after you lost, then your lost Marathas brothers salved and brought to Balochistan, That is why you guys have very sensitive relation with our Balochistan. Soon, Last and final battle is coming which is prophecies us 1400 years ago and this time no idlors will be left. thank you Modi ji, making our job easier.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

are you forgetting something here the Third Battle of Panipat fought on January 14, 1761 between the Marathas and Ahmad Shah Abdali and his allies were one of the biggest and most significant battles of the 18th century in India. after you lost , then your lost Marathas brothers salved and brought to Balochistan, That is why you guys have very sensitive relation with our Balochistan.

I am not denying that Marathas lost Panipat in 1761..The loss of Panipat in 1761 made the borders of the Hindu nation effectively only till the east bank of Sutlej (admitted by the the Great Abdali himself)...This is why when Partition happened in 1947, the contours followed were more or less congruent with the Maratha sphere of influence in the 18th century...even the Sikhs could not claim the borders of the Sikh Empire and had to retreat back into the Hindu nation...It is through the violence of Partition that extra lands west of river Sutlej were won...sad history, nothing to celebrate about it..the ghosts of Partition will haunt us for a couple of centuries to come..but after that I think India and Pakistan will become like France and Germany

 

[Ultima Thule]

You Don't worry. Rather than advising what we are doing, focus on your country which may get blacklisted any time within a month,

Ok we from how many years that you guys saying same again and again, ok we going to be blacklisted, but your country is on the suicidal way, you will be disintegrated if this trends continue in India