India vs China war: current scenario and possible outcomes

[StraightShooter]

Himalayas, How do you provide logistics in Tibet?, by land by air Chinese SAMs is already there

Well for one IAF can fly with full payload while Chinese fighters cannot from the high altitude runways of Tibetan plateau.

 

[Hellfire]

What gave you that idea? 3-5 days are trivial. I am expecting few weeks at least.

The international pressure will come to bear upon either sides, especially due to the fact that both are nuclear armed. Although both have declared no first use, yet this will play up.

What? China has long ceded this area. The dispute between China and Russia was about the exact alignment of the line - south bank or thalweg of the Amur and Ussuri rivers. A minor dispute much like Dokalam. After a brief battle in 1969 Russia eventually accepted China's position and in 2005 (I think) they finalized it. Russia-China border is settled with a capital S.

That is the point I am trying to drive in. One needs to read the Chinese concept of treaties. They are instruments signed, meant to tide over the situation as prevalent at the time. And meant to be re-negotiated as time passes by.

By no means are the treaties of permanent and binding nature for them.


What do you think this is?

http://thediplomat.com/2017/07/why-is-russia-aiming-missiles-at-china/

Do you think Russian posturing there is because of US? Or is it because of the fact that the Chinese troops have gathered there in very large numbers and perhaps, this is a dissuasive posturing in the garb of 'securing a 17 km border with North Korea'?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...s-super-mighty-preemptive-strike-will-reduce/

And

https://www.rt.com/news/374874-china-icbm-russia-border/

 

[Ultima Thule]

Well for one IAF can fly with full payload while Chinese fighters cannot from the high altitude runways of Tibetan plateau.

SAM "surface to air missile" HQ-9 is already there in Tibet and your transport plane is

 

[Han Patriot]

Tibet is closer to India than Chinese East coast.

Chinese logistics would be longer that Indian ones.

You are such a genius, supplies will come from east coast of China? . This is the kind of knowledge they feed you in India?

SAM "surface to air missile" HQ-9 is already there in Tibet and your transport plane is

He doesn't get it but they need to climb to the altitude and we are already at that altitude, less take off load but our plane will use less fuel. Pros and cons.

 

[StraightShooter]

SAM "surface to air missile" HQ-9 is already there in Tibet and your transport plane is

Why would India put boots on the ground before SEAD and DEAD missions have been successfully completed.

SU-30 MKIs have a range of 3000 KM. All Chinese bases are within their range.

You are such a genius, supplies will come from east coast of China? . This is the kind of knowledge they feed you in India?

Was China’s military drill in Tibet really just an exercise in logistics?

Thousands of tonnes of equipment have been moved into the region since the start of a border dispute with India


PUBLISHED : Tuesday, 18 July, 2017, 6:35pm
UPDATED : Wednesday, 19 July, 2017, 6:32pm

COMMENTS: 71

Liu Zhen
[email protected]


11 Aug 2017
China has moved tens of thousands of tonnes of military vehicles and equipment into Tibet since it became locked in a border dispute with India, according to state media.

The vast haul was transported to a region south of the Kunlun Mountains in northern Tibet by the Western Theatre Command – which oversees the restive regions of Xinjiang and Tibet, and handles border issues with India – the PLA Daily, the official mouthpiece of China’s military reported.

China flexes its military muscle in Tibet, close to border dispute with India

The project took place late last month and involved hardware being moved simultaneously by road and rail from across the entire region, the report said.

On Monday, state broadcaster CCTV reported that Chinese troops had taken part in a military exercise using live ammunition on the Tibetan plateau. The location was not far from where Chinese and Indian forces remain locked in a stand-off over a disputed border area at the tri-junction with Bhutan.

The PLA Daily report did not say whether the movement of the military equipment was to support the exercise or for other reasons.

This standoff is China telling India to accept changing realities

Ni Lexiong, a Shanghai-based military commentator, suggested it was most likely related to the stand-off and could have been designed to bring India to the negotiating table.

“Diplomatic talks must be backed by military preparation,” he said.

Another observer told the South China Morning Post earlier that the show of strength was likely a warning to India.

“The PLA wanted to demonstrate it could easily overpower its Indian counterparts,” said Beijing-based military commentator Zhou Chenming.

Why is Asia locked in a competition to be ‘most humiliated nation’?

Wang Dehua, an expert on South Asia studies at the Shanghai Institutes for International Studies, said the scale of the troop and equipment movement showed how much easier it now was for China to defend its western borders.

“Military operations are all about logistics,” he said. “Now there is much better logistics support to the Tibet region.”

In a reference to a comment made by India’s defence minister Arun Jaitley that “this is not India in 1962”, Wang added that “China is also different from [how it was in] 1962”.

Despite China’s military superiority in the Sino-Indian border war of 1962, logistics difficulties contributed to it pulling back and declaring a unilateral ceasefire.

China-India border dispute could hurt summit of five emerging economies, analysts warn

Now, however, the military can “easily transport troops and supplies to the frontline, thanks to the much improved infrastructure including the Qinghai-Tibet railway and other new roads connecting the plateau to the rest part of China”, Wang said.


This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as:
PLA makes rapid move in disputed zone

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...nas-military-drill-tibet-really-just-exercise

 

[Ultima Thule]

Why would India put boots on the ground before SEAD and DEAD missions have been successfully completed.

SU-30 MKIs have a range of 3000 KM. All Chinese bases are within their range.

and their SU-30MK J-11 J-16 doesn't have the range of 3000+ KM and they have multiple AWACS, JAMMING planes

 

[StraightShooter]

and their SU-30MK J-11 J-16 doesn't have the range of 3000+ KM and they have multiple AWACS, JAMMING planes

India too have SAMs and AWACS. It won't be a cake walk for PLAAF either.

 

[Ultima Thule]

India too have SAMs and AWACS. It won't be a cake walk for PLAAF either.

you're out of your brain, how to transport heavy SAMs through Himalayas and PLAAF rain down your jets with SAMs and air superiority jets armed with BVR

 

[Han Patriot]

Why would India put boots on the ground before SEAD and DEAD missions have been successfully completed.

SU-30 MKIs have a range of 3000 KM. All Chinese bases are within their range.


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Was China’s military drill in Tibet really just an exercise in logistics?

Thousands of tonnes of equipment have been moved into the region since the start of a border dispute with India


PUBLISHED : Tuesday, 18 July, 2017, 6:35pm
UPDATED : Wednesday, 19 July, 2017, 6:32pm

COMMENTS: 71

Liu Zhen
[email protected]


11 Aug 2017
China has moved tens of thousands of tonnes of military vehicles and equipment into Tibet since it became locked in a border dispute with India, according to state media.

The vast haul was transported to a region south of the Kunlun Mountains in northern Tibet by the Western Theatre Command – which oversees the restive regions of Xinjiang and Tibet, and handles border issues with India – the PLA Daily, the official mouthpiece of China’s military reported.

China flexes its military muscle in Tibet, close to border dispute with India

The project took place late last month and involved hardware being moved simultaneously by road and rail from across the entire region, the report said.

On Monday, state broadcaster CCTV reported that Chinese troops had taken part in a military exercise using live ammunition on the Tibetan plateau. The location was not far from where Chinese and Indian forces remain locked in a stand-off over a disputed border area at the tri-junction with Bhutan.

The PLA Daily report did not say whether the movement of the military equipment was to support the exercise or for other reasons.

This standoff is China telling India to accept changing realities

Ni Lexiong, a Shanghai-based military commentator, suggested it was most likely related to the stand-off and could have been designed to bring India to the negotiating table.

“Diplomatic talks must be backed by military preparation,” he said.

Another observer told the South China Morning Post earlier that the show of strength was likely a warning to India.

“The PLA wanted to demonstrate it could easily overpower its Indian counterparts,” said Beijing-based military commentator Zhou Chenming.

Why is Asia locked in a competition to be ‘most humiliated nation’?

Wang Dehua, an expert on South Asia studies at the Shanghai Institutes for International Studies, said the scale of the troop and equipment movement showed how much easier it now was for China to defend its western borders.

“Military operations are all about logistics,” he said. “Now there is much better logistics support to the Tibet region.”

In a reference to a comment made by India’s defence minister Arun Jaitley that “this is not India in 1962”, Wang added that “China is also different from [how it was in] 1962”.

Despite China’s military superiority in the Sino-Indian border war of 1962, logistics difficulties contributed to it pulling back and declaring a unilateral ceasefire.

China-India border dispute could hurt summit of five emerging economies, analysts warn

Now, however, the military can “easily transport troops and supplies to the frontline, thanks to the much improved infrastructure including the Qinghai-Tibet railway and other new roads connecting the plateau to the rest part of China”, Wang said.


This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as:
PLA makes rapid move in disputed zone

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...nas-military-drill-tibet-really-just-exercise

Genius, supplies do not come from the EAST COAST, it comes from Lanzhou. And btw, we produce J-11s, YOU IMPORT. How many S-300 you have? We make them in the hundreds, you can try crossing the airspace and see if your planes become fried chapatis.

Btw, it seems you don't know how many air bases we have near the border, planes don't have to fly from Chengdu.

 

[Place Of Space]

Indeed and I think it will have lasting consequences. In the past, many in the Indian media (and by extention population) saw China as being omnipotent with the Indian mil being unable to hold its own in the East but only to act reactionally. Now it has been demonstrated that the Indian military has nothing to fear from the Chinese and it is more than capable of taking the initiative- this will only embolden the military, civlian leaders and populace.

Additionally, the countless empty threats China has issued has had a desensitising effect- no one is going to be overly concerned the next time China makes xyz threat.

China has undermined its own position drastically in this saga and I don't think it will ever be able to recover.


LOL, that's one of the few explanations that makes sense as Global Times is simply mocking the PLA with every hate filled op-ed calling for war with nothing changing on the ground. Global times (and other state media) is really adding more humiliation to this entire affair.

China still hold the stick, becareful.