India training terrorists to strike in Pakistan

[DESERT FIGHTER]

"Let me admit, siraj and his father haqqani are indian agents, infact our most important ones...."

So you had them blow up your kabul embassy why, exactly?

Thanks.

Are u indian american?
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[SMC]

It's sarcastic arguments dude. That's all they offer as an argument when they have nothing to offer. To somehow delude themselves into thinking that they have rebutted the original argument/news report.

 

[Windjammer]

The news also appeared on ARY yesterday and i reported it in my thread "Indians Exposed", but habitually they couldn't digest it and went on a troll and the thread had to be closed.
The frivlious posters here should remember, they also have skeletons in their closets.

 

[neo4moss]

Wow... great news.. i bet indian terrorist camps would be more effective and futuristic than pakisthani camp... also pakistanis trained in the camp would be more effecient than the ones they train by them.. kewlll

 

[Bang Galore]

Reports of Indians training Baloch dissidents​

When contacted for comments, Lt Gen (retd) Hamid Gul, former director-general of the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), said it might not be the first batch of Baloch dissidents sent to India for training.


Reports of Indians training Baloch dissidents

Surprise ! Surprise ! Hamid Gul has more nice things to say about India.
All you have are claims and more claims by Pakistani officials without ever offering up any proof that the international community can take seriously. All that your 'officials' say is that they are waiting for the right time to reveal "ALL". Wake me up when that happens. Till then, yawn, yawn.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Surprise ! Surprise ! Hamid Gul has more nice things to say about India.
All you have are claims and more claims by Pakistani officials without ever offering up any proof that the international community can take seriously. All that your 'officials' say is that they are waiting for the right time to reveal "ALL". Wake me up when that happens. Till then, yawn, yawn.

Since the lack of credible evidence on the part of the US and India (that I have seen) has not prevented their government and military officials from barking and maligning Pakistan, I fail to see why Pakistan alone should be held to that standard and asked to stop highlighting the role of those it sees as sponsoring terrorism on her soil.

A rather blatant double standard on the part of Indians and Americans.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Militant leader claims he rejected offers to explode bombs in Pakistan​

Tuesday, February 23, 2010

By Mushtaq Yusufzai

PESHAWAR: A known Taliban commander, Qari Ziaur Rehman, who has been engaged in fighting against security forces in Bajaur, claimed on Sunday that he had rejected lucrative offers and financial support offered to him by Afghanistan’s Northern Alliance for fighting against the Pakistani military and carrying out bomb blasts in the country.

He also claimed that the militants in Bajaur had deposed regional Taliban chief Maulana Faqir Muhammad for his alleged secret links to the government and for refusing to resist security forces in their recent advancement on the militant strongholds in Mamond area.

“I received lucrative offers from the Northern Alliance of Afghanistan,” claimed Ziaur Rehman. Talking to The News by phone from an undisclosed location, he said he and his fighters had been fighting under certain compulsions in Pakistan.

The government had declared him an Afghan national, hailing from the Kunar province bordering the Bajaur tribal region, and announced Rs 5 million as head money for him for having association with the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and organising attacks on troops in Bajaur.

He, however, denied his Afghan nationality, arguing that if so, why the Pakistani government issued him a computerised national identity card (CNIC). “You may know the tribesmen live and have properties on both sides of the Pak-Afghan border. My forefathers were born and died in Bajaur and I am a Pakistani by birth,” argued the militant commander, who was described by the Pakistani military authorities as one of the most ruthless commanders operating in Bajaur.

He said some of his relatives had migrated to Kunar in Afghanistan from the Mamond area of Bajaur where they are still known as “Bajauri Mamond.” Ziaur Rahman claimed that he had been made the commander for both Bajaur and Marawara area in the Kunar province. He admitted that security forces had captured most areas of Bajaur, particularly Mamond, which had been a stronghold of Maulana Faqir Muhammad-led militants.

Ziaur Rahman said Faqir Muhammad had been replaced by Commander Jamaluddin Dadullah, as the former had struck an underhand deal with the government and refused to fight the advancing security forces in Mamond. He said the militants had vacated their positions under a strategy and would launch guerrilla attacks against the troops once they entered their areas of control.

Militant leader claims he rejected offers to explode bombs in Pakistan

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This would imply that the Taliban can apparently wage war against Pakistan from Afghan soil under the control of ISAF all they want, and American apologists will dismiss this under a variety of pretexts, yet a similar lack of complete control over certain territory in Pakistan is immediately described, by many Westerners, as 'willful deceit and duplicity'.

Hypocrites.

 

[S-2]

"I received lucrative offers from the Northern Alliance of Afghanistan,”

So who are they? He didn't say the Government of Afghanistan. I know that there was an entity known as the northern alliance or the United Islamic Front but I can find no political party in Afghanistan that calls itself that now.

What's equally fascinating is how all those other TTP militants like Baitullah Mehsud, Sufi Mohammad, Faizullah Mohammad, and Nek Mohammad-all with a loooong history of fighting with the afghan taliban against the N.A. back in the day suddenly supposedly changed their spots to accept such "aid" from the N.A.'s past supporters, India.

I guess that falls under the enemy of my enemy theory, eh?

"Since the lack of credible evidence on the part of the US and India (that I have seen) has not prevented their government and military officials from barking and maligning Pakistan..."

Your own defense minister destroyed the quetta shura. Abdul Ghani Baradar is captured all the way down in Karachi. We kill a Haqqani outside Miram Shah four days ago.

You wouldn't know proof if it hit you over the head. Even your own words typed only moments ago-

"do not use inflammatory language to describe Pakistani support for insurgents."

Why not use such language to describe these murderers unless you're offended by those who'd denigrate your minions? Looks like one more bit of proof AND an admission... as though any was needed from you for either.

So terribly tiresome...

Thanks.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

So who are they? He didn't say the Government of Afghanistan. I know that there was an entity known as the northern alliance or the United Islamic Front but I can find no political party in Afghanistan that calls itself that now.

Probably referring to the Panjsheris and Uzbek warlords that are/have been part of the Karzai government.

What's equally fascinating is how all those other TTP militants like Baitullah Mehsud, Sufi Mohammad, Faizullah Mohammad, and Nek Mohammad-all with a loooong history of fighting with the afghan taliban against the N.A. back in the day suddenly supposedly changed their spots to accept such "aid" from the N.A.'s past supporters, India.

They accepted aid from the 'infidel' US, why not India? They are a pragmatic lot - 'the enemy of my enemy ...' exactly.

Your own defense minister destroyed the quetta shura. Abdul Ghani Baradar is captured all the way down in Karachi.

The defense ministers complete comments have been posted, and they are a jumbled mess, in which right after he allegedly confirms the Quetta Shura he then denies that the American allegations about the Quetta Shura are correct. You want to hang your hat on that nonsense, that is your prerogative, but again indicates the depths to which you have sunk, clutching at straws.

As for the arrest of Baradar - yours is a nonsensical argument that implies that no nation should ever arrest a wanted individual from another nation lest the arresting nation be accused of 'harboring criminals'. Poppycock. The arrest of Baradar comes about in significantly changed dynamics - operations in Swat, SW, Bajaur, Mohmand, Khyber, Orakzai .. and a resulting 'squeeze' on the Taliban, both in Pakistan and in Afghanistan.

We kill a Haqqani outside Miram Shah four days ago.

Perhaps you should try to kill a Qari Ziaur Rehman operating out of territory under ISAF control, or is your lack of action against those Taliban indicative of 'willful deceit and duplicity', since that is your conclusion about Pakistan based on the fact that certain Taliban groups operate out of Pakistani territory where the GoP has not yet completely established its writ.

You wouldn't know proof if it hit you over the head. Even your own words typed only moments ago-

It's more like you can't see the hypocrisy of your position, despite the fact that I have hit your over the head with it several times. ISAF clearly does not dedicate the resources necessary for neutralizing Taliban militants attacking Pakistani forces and civilians out of Afghan territory, yet a similar position taken by Pakistan sees Westerners ranting about 'duplicity and deceit'.

As for proof, when you can actually find some to hit me over the head with, let me know.

Just more dissembling BS.

Why not use such language to describe these murderers unless you're offended by those who'd denigrate your minions? Looks like one more bit of proof AND an admission... as though any was needed from you for either.

So terribly tiresome...

I have no qualms with using particular language to describe Pakistani 'minions' so long as similar language is also used to describe the US and its 'minions', past and present.

Consistency is what I am looking for, hypocrisy and double standards galore is what I see.

 

[MilesTogo]

Finally RAW has come at par with ISI.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Finally RAW has come at par with ISI.

Actually Indian covert operations have a long history - you forget the support for terrorists and separatists through the sixties and into 1971 in East Pakistan by India.

There was also the creation and support of the LTTE by India, which turned into arguable the world's deadliest terrorist organization.

And of course the support for the Northern Alliance against the Taliban, and the history of support for the Baluch separatists and terrorists.

India has quite a few achievements under its belt, don't be modest.

 

[desiman]

Actually Indian covert operations have a long history - you forget the support for terrorists and separatists through the sixties and into 1971 in East Pakistan by India.

There was also the creation and support of the LTTE by India, which turned into arguable the world's deadliest terrorist organization.

And of course the support for the Northern Alliance against the Taliban, and the history of support for the Baluch separatists and terrorists.

India has quite a few achievements under its belt, don't be modest.

Prove it, I can say the same about Pakistan also quite easily. Such comments do not have any significance without proof which both sides lack.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Prove it, i can say the same about Pakistan also quite easily.

India brags about what it did in 1971 - what more proof do you need there?

Similarly, Indian support for the LTTE is fact, and there are videos of LTTE members being trained by India on this forum, search for them, they have been posted several times - so this is also fact, andnot denied by Indian analysts themselves.

Thirdly, Indian analysts like B Raman have accepted that India supported the NA, and also that India carried out terrorism in Sindh (his excuse is that it was in return for Pakistani support for the Khalistan movement, but it could also be the other way around),

So, go educate yourself.

 

[third eye]

Personally, I feel this is unlikely.

But if it is being done, its about time too. Given the formalised manner in which ISI has been doing this for decades, its about time India caught up & did the same.

 

[desiman]

India brags about what it did in 1971 - what more proof do you need there?

Similarly, Indian support for the LTTE is fact, and there are videos of LTTE members being trained by India on this forum, search for them, they have been posted several times - so this is also fact, andnot denied by Indian analysts themselves.

Thirdly, Indian analysts like B Raman have accepted that India supported the NA, and also that India carried out terrorism in Sindh (his excuse is that it was in return for Pakistani support for the Khalistan movement, but it could also be the other way around),

So, go educate yourself.

So now do you want me to quote Pakistani involvement in Kashmir, The Khalistan movement, Afghanistan, The Maoist movement, North Eastern Separatist movement etc etc. A coin always has 2 sides to it. maybe we both require some education on that. Still solid proof is not there my friend, videos and analysis count for nothing on the world front. The fact is that India and Pakistan will continue to blame each other for each other problems until we change our point of views individually.