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NEW DELHI: India may stand to lose by taking the issue of Kargil martyr Captain Saurabh Kalia's case to the International Court of Justice (ICJ). Experts said that not only is India sure to lose the case but also the mere act of approaching ICJ could open up to international arbitration contentious issues such as human rights violations and operations in Jammu and Kashmir across the Line of Control.

Even as Congress and BJP accuse each other of failing to act in the matter, the minister of state for external affairs General (retd) VK Singh had said in the Rajya Sabha earlier this year that a solution through international courts "was not found feasible". Singh had reiterated the position taken by the BJP government on the issue immediately after the Kargil conflict when the air force shot down a Pakistan Navy Atlantique aircraft in Gujarat, in an apparent act of revenge.

The same line — that ICJ has no jurisdiction over India and Pakistan — was taken by the Congress-led UPA in 2012 when Kalia's father took up the case to the Supreme Court. However, after a media campaign berated BJP for towing the line of UPA on the Kalia case, the government on Monday made a U-turn, saying that "taking into account the exceptional circumstances" the government is open to invoking ICJ's jurisdiction over the matter.

Given the stand that India took up during the Atlantique incident, there is no chance of the case being ruled in the country's favour at ICJ, experts said. Immediately after the shooting down of the Pak Navy aircraft, Pakistan had dragged India to ICJ, invoking the UN charter. However, India had then cited a 1974 declaration that ruled out the jurisdiction of the ICJ over cases involving present or past commonwealth nations.

If India approaches ICJ with the Kalia case, Pakistan is likely to use the same provisions to block the move. "The government is simply playing politics. It is trying to show that it is more sensitive to the interests of the armed forces than UPA was but it knows that it does not have the slightest chance of getting any justice for Capt Kalia and the five jawans who were captured with him and tortured," said Satyabrata Pal, who retired as the High Commissioner to Pakistan in 2009.

The career diplomat said the 1974 deceleration debarring the ICJ jurisdiction over bilateral matters was an important safeguard that was invoked during the Atlantique incident. "It is cruel as it is in raising the hopes of the families for justice but it is also particularly foolish and shortsighted as the government knows simply to make a point you cannot withdraw a line of defence that was put in specifically to guard against such problems," the retd IFS officer said.

However, if the government does approach ICJ, the safeguard will become invalid and open up India to international arbitration on issues such as J&K. "If, in the future, Pakistan raises any issue against India such as the violation of human rights in the Valley or border incidents, we would have shot ourselves in the foot," Pal said.

India stands to lose if Captain Kalia case goes to ICJ - The Economic Times
 
taking captain saurabh kalia case will be exactly what pakistan wants and PMO & MOD are not fools this topic is a media triad just like they are trying to frame modi for traffic related deaths in india as there masters want to create as many mistakes and problems for modi sarkar to handle but will modi sarkar do it another matter

as for avenging the death of captain saurabh kalia there are other ways aswell tilldate the high and mighty in pakistani establishment are made to feel the pain of partents of captain saurabh kalia things wont move but im happy thinking is changinghere....nuff said :butcher:
 
Seriously ididnt know they are such cowards they would have made such declarations.

"However, India had then cited a 1974 declaration that ruled out the jurisdiction of the ICJ over cases involving present or past commonwealth nations." Cowardice chek karo zara.

If they are approaching court for this purpose then naturally they cant be exempted from being tried by the same court. U accept jurisdiction hence u approach

If u make such declarations then u cant seek justice thru them..
Acha btw this is icj not icc.

This shud happen .then the whole pandora box of j and k crimes will open up,
 
I think it is good for us if bharati takes the case to ICJ. What you guys say?

In our plane's case ICJ ruled out our allegations and decided not to hear it because they did not have jurisdiction over India and Pakistan. If India takes this matter there then,

"If ICJ refuses based on precedent already set in our case when we approached it, it would be fair and equal treatment"

"But If ICJ accepts to hear then don't expect much because that would prove their biased and prejudiced stance when it comes to India and Pakistan"
 
In our plane's case ICJ ruled out our allegations and decided not to hear it because they did not have jurisdiction over India and Pakistan. If India takes this matter there then,

"If ICJ refuses based on precedent already set in our case when we approached it, it would be fair and equal treatment"

"But If ICJ accepts to hear then don't expect much because that would prove their biased and prejudiced stance when it comes to India and Pakistan"


Nobody will go to the ICJ. This is a media driven situation, GoI is just playing along (I think it to be a pusillanimous act, GoI must have guts to say it as it is). GoI knows that the incident was avenged in a fairly brutal manner by the IA, there is no point in dragging this anywhere. Nobody has the guts to mention this to the grieving parents of Capt.Kalia and since the avenging is not an operation that can be mentioned, we are stuck having to do this drama unnecessarily.
 
Nobody will go to the ICJ. This is a media driven situation, GoI is just playing along (I think it to be a pusillanimous act, GoI must have guts to say it as it is). GoI knows that the incident was avenged in a fairly brutal manner by the IA, there is no point in dragging this anywhere. Nobody has the guts to mention this to the grieving parents of Capt.Kalia and since the avenging is not an operation that can be mentioned, we are stuck having to do this drama unnecessarily.

Still a win win for us if GoI tows the line and approaches ICJ we can counter present many other cases for ICJ to look into, and if it does not well its not our favorite people in GoI so still good if they face humiliation and protests for backing out of promises they made on this with their public (A U turn actually from what they promised and what they did)
 
Experts said that not only is India sure to lose the case but also the mere act of approaching ICJ could open up to international arbitration contentious issues such as human rights violations and operations in Jammu and Kashmir across the Line of Control.

Modi government has ended up with a fish bone stuck in the throat, for home audience it has to display it's 56'' chest but by going to ICJ, it risks opening a whole can of worms. Besides what's the logic to raise this non issue after almost two decades.
 
Modi government has ended up with a fish bone stuck in the throat, for home audience it has to display it's 56'' chest but by going to ICJ, it risks opening a whole can of worms. Besides what's the logic to raise this non issue after almost two decades.

But still it is a shame that BJP govt is playing politics with the death of its own soldier and that too after 16 years.
 
There must be an agreement in place at least for the captured soldiers to be returned respectfully and this must be binding on both sides. there are already international norms for this but India and Pakistan have rules of there own
 
Modi government has ended up with a fish bone stuck in the throat, for home audience it has to display it's 56'' chest but by going to ICJ, it risks opening a whole can of worms. Besides what's the logic to raise this non issue after almost two decades.
salaam jammer bhiyye :)

1.modi or for that matter BJP never said itwill take this matter to ICJ but 26/11 mumabi attack and kandhar hijakcase and pakistanssupport to people likedawood ibrahim, hafeezsaeedand lakhwi would be

2.captain saurab kalias death will be avenged at the right time by inflicting the same pain to hir tormentors or the organization behind it.ICJ cant do shit about it so dont get fake orgasms about high lighting the kashmir issue

3.for 10 yearsboth UPA & Media were sleeping on this issue and suddenlli there love for captain saurabh kalia has awoken...why ?

4.it is just another media triad to stop modi but modi & his cabinet and NSA/NIA has already made its priorities& goals clearlet media bark

and to all hub bul watan pakistani members save your hub bul watanifor some timecause in near future it isg oing to be tested like never before forget about india just worry about the stormy weather awaiting your nation ;)
 
Still a win win for us if GoI tows the line and approaches ICJ we can counter present many other cases for ICJ to look into, and if it does not well its not our favorite people in GoI so still good if they face humiliation and protests for backing out of promises they made on this with their public (A U turn actually from what they promised and what they did)


They are smart that way - they put the onus on the Supreme Court to direct them & the SC won't decide this matter. End result, no change & no ICJ.

2.captain saurab kalias death will be avenged at the right time by inflicting the same pain to hir tormentors or the organization behind it.

Happened a long time back, some 15 years & 5 months ago.
 
Happened a long time back, some 15 years & 5 months ago.
but indian army and other security related institutions are not satisfied as pakistan is still creating such problems and untill they are punished for it they will keep on creating trouble
 
They are smart that way - they put the onus on the Supreme Court to direct them & the SC won't decide this matter. End result, no change & no ICJ.

So the family is being played with here.
 

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